Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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People don't seem to see the problem backing a manager with no track record.
 
Since being made permanent manager. Games P13 W3 D3 L7 - Goals F13 A21
As a caretaker and courtesy of the new manager bump he started well, however it’s all gone to shit very quickly.

This summer was meant to fix it, but we weakened our already weak midfield and attack but only strengthened our defense!?

This is also a manager who gives me no clue that he is tactically sound and produces the most bizarrely timed substitutions.

If he wasn’t a legend most would call for his head. If I thought this team backed by these parasite owners and cretinous board really were heading us in the right direction I would be less concerned however after the summer window I do not have any faith in us going anywhere. A second consecutive year without CL will be a nail in our transfer plans coffin. I only think a shit tonne of money and a real top class manager can fix this.

Long season ahead and yes luck and decisions will go our way over the course, unlike today at times but that doesn’t change the fact that we are simply not very good.
 
Yes it's tactically crude. I wonder if people think Liverpool, City and Spurs play the way they do just because the players are good. There has to be an underlying system

If we had a system and it was being bogged down by technically poor players like Lingard I would have more sympathy and patience for the manager but we don't have one.
Absolutely. It won't change until we get a top class progressive coach.
 
I can't speak for others but like I said the problem lies through every facet of this club from the players, manager, board all of these are much more prominent than any refereeing display ever will be
Well, the transfer window is closed, the owners and admin are still in place, and Ole can't take the penalties or officiate, so, I think it's a bit unfair to go off on him after a game like today.
 
I don't think he's completely blameless. It sounded like he had a fixation over signing British players and we spent all summer chasing Longstaff. We made a last minute attempt at Dybala but it was Juve who offered him to us rather than us identifying him as a target and going after him.
I’m almost certain it’s the board. It happened last summer and in Moyes first.
 
3W 4D 9L in his last 16 is criminal as a Manchester United manager

During the Summer, a lot of fans seemed to have forgotten how bad we were in the last few months of last season.
I predicted 2 things:
1, Ole will not be the manager on 1st Jan 2020
2, the fitness work that we are doing will not solve anything.

I also predicted that before the Summer transfer window opened, that we would not spend big and would penny pinch.
IMO, we will improve as the season progresses, but we will go through periods when we draw/lose consistently. And it is these periods which will see us stuck in a mid table position. And that is what will see Ole fired.
i do hope I'm wrong though, because this is painful to watch. LFC and MCFC will probably use CP, to work on their goal difference, while CP use us to get 3pts at OT.
 
He needs to go & should’ve gone end of last season but he got a free pass (which Jose/LVG never would have had with results end of last season) and here we are.

We brought in on ourselves so here’s to another average season with an average manager & average players
Do not talk about Mourinho.. he was the cancer .. nobody was looking forward to his interviews.. nobody was looking forward to his games.. there was negativity hovering all around the club.. he is the worst manager we have ever had .. no wonder he is not finding jobs anymore
 
I hope we will not repeat our mistake to sack someone who is not the one to blame. We made massive mistakes over the last 10 years and we need to learn from them. Just want to mention some of them:

1. In 2009, we sold the best player in the world without trying to convince or stop him
2. Last 2 seasons of Sir Alex were awful, we should have forced him to retire after the 2011 final against Barcelona
3. David Moyes didn`t get money for good players, even though the team desperately needed new faces
4. Moyes was sacked before the end of the season which is ridiculous, especially without giving him money for transfers
5. I don`t know why Louis Van Gal was appointed and what was his job at the club, the thing i remember is that we were playing a football good for the second division
6. Mourinho did a good job during the first season, but for some reasons everything went wrong after that and he actually should have been sacked after the end of the second season

and some good words for Ole:

1. The guy loves the club and did a very good job in the transfer window (probably our best transfer window since 2003-2004), Mourinho also had one good though
2. and the best thing, he got rid of Fellaini;
3. Probably, today was the last chance for Lingard and he will no longer be part of ole`s plans or at least in long term;
4. Ole knows how to manage the players and knows what we need in order to be a top club again, he just need 2 or 3 players more
5. If we sack him, who would be better?
Yeah he was really poor when he walked the league with Cleverley and Carrick in midfield.
Talk about over exaggeration and entitlement.
 
Why sack Ole now when we've got nobody to replace him with? This is our new reality. Better to simply accept it. And at least our football wasn't as negative and boring as it was under Moyes, LVG and Jose.
 
What happened to Redcafes famous cliche of "the buck stops with the manager"? Used to get sung here all the time for 6 years.
SAF used to get flak at times. No manager should be free from criticism. Yes the players made mistakes today and deserve the blame for it,
At full-time, the camera panned to Ole and he was walking around the pitch smiling pleasantly and shaking hands with the Palace players. After seeing his team get turned over embarrassingly in front of home fans. SAF and even Mourinho would have been down the tunnel with a face like thunder, embarrassed to even be seen on camera after that, anxious to rip into the individual errors and performances that caused such a defeat.

However, not Ole. Because Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is simply happy to be here.
Have to agree with that. Those players would have been terrified of the reception waiting in the dressing room. They would have been left in no doubt that the performance was unacceptable. I can just imagine this lot sat in the dressing room moaning about the referee and VAR.
He sets up a team with one plan and one plan only. To counter-attack. How can he shout at the players when is unable to offer them suggestions for a Plan B? He can't. He knows he's out of his depth and that his players know this, too. It's David Moyes v2.0

1) Why is Ole allowing 'Rashy' to have free reign of free-kicks when he is abysmal at taking them?
2) Why is Ole continuing to play 'JLingz' in every single game despite Lingard not contributing to goals in any way since December?
3) Why is Ole seemingly unable to adapt during a game?

He seems to be content to be best buddies with certain players and hope that things fall into place. He is showing no ability to adapt or think on his feet when things are going against us.

Look, the Glazers and Woodward are scum for appointing a low maintenance manager and selling him down the river in the summer window.

But this isn't the Glazers thread, it's not Woodward's thread.

This is 'Ole Gunnar Solskjaer: Permanent Manager'.

And Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is going to be gone by Christmas.
 
You can see what he’s trying to do and it’s what most fans wanted.

Sanchez and Lukaku out. Smalling, Jones and Young dropped whilst finally buying a decent right back and central defender.

Problem is he didn’t get the full backing, there are obvious holes all over the squad namely in midfield and right wing.

Martial looks injured, god knows how long he’s out. Shaw out again. So we’ll end up with Young and probably Mata getting starts again.

We’re relying on a 17 year old kid to change the game for us for Christ sake.

City was in a similar position, they needed to gut the squad. They did it in one summer but the difference is they had the backing to fill all the holes whilst we have done half the job.

Wan-Bissaka and Maguire? great but we needed the likes of Pepe and maybe somebody like Fernandes too (to be honest there’s been plenty of top quality midfielders move this summer, we could have taken one of them surely)

I feel for Ole. We aren’t playing that bad and have missed vital penalties that should see us sat here with 7 points minimum.

He’s under huge pressure now though, a loss next week away at Southampton and feck knows what will happen.
 
During the Summer, a lot of fans seemed to have forgotten how bad we were in the last few months of last season.
I predicted 2 things:
1, Ole will not be the manager on 1st Jan 2020
2, the fitness work that we are doing will not solve anything.

I also predicted that before the Summer transfer window opened, that we would not spend big and would penny pinch.
IMO, we will improve as the season progresses, but we will go through periods when we draw/lose consistently. And it is these periods which will see us stuck in a mid table position. And that is what will see Ole fired.
i do hope I'm wrong though, because this is painful to watch. LFC and MCFC will probably use CP, to work on their goal difference, while CP use us to get 3pts at OT.

The only difference with me is I think he will get to see out the season.
 
Oh dear, after the great start we had in beating Chelsea 4-0 it appears reality has set in.

Still I’m confident we will finish 4th or better.

















4th from bottom or maybe with luck even half way.
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My point is simple. Ole had basically free half season last year. Time to know the squad, implement his style and ideas. We looked worse in june. Ok, then came pre-season and transfer window. Another chance and time to build style of play and squad. Now, 9 months after he came, what is his signature? Are we playing better than last year? Running more? Pressing more? Defending better? Attacking better? What is the reason why he should get more time?

Lampard is in Chelsea 2 months, without buying single player and he already have something to show. It is not looking great and i am not saying thst he is good or bad manager but so far his team is playing football, not sitting back. Rodgers also came after Ole and also has something to show.

I said before Chelsea game that Ole's results will be mix of everything. WLDWDLWD and so on. And that will not change i am afraid.
 
Do not talk about Mourinho.. he was the cancer .. nobody was looking forward to his interviews.. nobody was looking forward to his games.. there was negativity hovering all around the club.. he is the worst manager we have ever had .. no wonder he is not finding jobs anymore

Yes the cancer that won us 2 trophies & champions league football.

Ole will get nowhere close to achieving half of what Jose did
 
Who did we play today?Prime Real Madrid or fecking CP.
He is not good manager.What a mistake to appoint him. We are playing exactly same how we finished our last season.
Rashford missed a penalty, ref should have given atleast 2 more penalties, Lindelof out jumped by Schlupp who is 4 inches shorter than him, and De Gea with another ridiculous mistake, that shot should never go in at the near post. Also
Lingard was doing a Lukaku impression with his first touch today. None of these things can’t really be blamed on Ole, the players were just horrendous.
 
The result was sure. But the football is more entertaining.

Was it feck.

It's like people forgot Jose's first season where we peppered opposition at OT and drew every game 1-1. If you don't get results, get the feck out.
 
During the Summer, a lot of fans seemed to have forgotten how bad we were in the last few months of last season.
I predicted 2 things:
1, Ole will not be the manager on 1st Jan 2020
2, the fitness work that we are doing will not solve anything.

I also predicted that before the Summer transfer window opened, that we would not spend big and would penny pinch.
IMO, we will improve as the season progresses, but we will go through periods when we draw/lose consistently. And it is these periods which will see us stuck in a mid table position. And that is what will see Ole fired.
i do hope I'm wrong though, because this is painful to watch. LFC and MCFC will probably use CP, to work on their goal difference, while CP use us to get 3pts at OT.
Pretty much this even though we have made 3 poor mistakes that might have cost us 5 points.
2 penalty misses and the defending for Palace's first goal.
 
Then do you wait until the 80th minute to make a change ..
Any manager that comes in, any player that comes in , are hounded by the press, social media , forums and hence feel pressurized.. we have owners that are happy to take a billion dollars and not do anything..
I meant Greenwood should have come on at half-time.....has Solskjaer really thought Lingard would improve his 0/10 first-half performance to a 8/10 performance in the first minutes of the 2nd half......we have wasted 8 minutes in the 2nd half because it was 100% clear that Lingard would be awful in the 2nd half too.
 
Than the tumescent shit we served up under Moyes, the aimless boring backpassing with LVG, and parking the bus under Jose? Yah, I find our football more entertaining. Little consolation after a result like today I know.

So like Jose's first season where we finished 6th? Pepper the opposition and draw every game. In this case, lose at home to Palace. First half was fecking shit as well.
 
My point is simple. Ole had basically free half season last year. Time to know the squad, implement his style and ideas. We looked worse in june. Ok, then came pre-season and transfer window. Another chance and time to build style of play and squad. Now, 9 months after he came, what is his signature? Are we playing better than last year? Running more? Pressing more? Defending better? Attacking better? What is the reason why he should get more time?

Lampard is in Chelsea 2 months, without buying single player and he already have something to show. It is not looking great and i am not saying thst he is good or bad manager but so far his team is playing football, not sitting back. Rodgers also came after Ole and also has something to show.

I said before Chelsea game that Ole's results will be mix of everything. WLDWDLWD and so on. And that will not change i am afraid.

Lampard and Rodgers have a better squad, simple as that.

Apart from our defense, which was shored up well in my mind, which players do you see getting into the first XI of our top 4 rivals?

I think you could really only say Pogba, who probably sees this and clearly thinks he deserves to play with better.
 
I hope we will not repeat our mistake to sack someone who is not the one to blame. We made massive mistakes over the last 10 years and we need to learn from them. Just want to mention some of them:

1. In 2009, we sold the best player in the world without trying to convince or stop him
2. Last 2 seasons of Sir Alex were awful, we should have forced him to retire after the 2011 final against Barcelona
3. David Moyes didn`t get money for good players, even though the team desperately needed new faces
4. Moyes was sacked before the end of the season which is ridiculous, especially without giving him money for transfers
5. I don`t know why Louis Van Gal was appointed and what was his job at the club, the thing i remember is that we were playing a football good for the second division
6. Mourinho did a good job during the first season, but for some reasons everything went wrong after that and he actually should have been sacked after the end of the second season

and some good words for Ole:

1. The guy loves the club and did a very good job in the transfer window (probably our best transfer window since 2003-2004), Mourinho also had one good though
2. and the best thing, he got rid of Fellaini;
3. Probably, today was the last chance for Lingard and he will no longer be part of ole`s plans or at least in long term;
4. Ole knows how to manage the players and knows what we need in order to be a top club again, he just need 2 or 3 players more
5. If we sack him, who would be better?
What a post.

- We didn't try to keep Ronaldo although we did everything we could to convince him to stay
- SAF should have retired earlier although he won the league in his last season
- Moyes should have been given more time and apparently sacking him was the mistake we shouldn't repeat
- Mourinho should have been sacked after finishing 2nd which now seems like a pipe dream
- Implying Manchester United could not get a better manager than OGS
 
It's a laugh that we there are people talking about posession-based system when it comes to OGS, the only reason we dominate possession is because the opponents allow us to hold possession, almost all our play is this, CB pass to Pogba, Pogba passes to Lingard, Lingard switches it to Shaw or AWB rinse and repeat.
 
2. Last 2 seasons of Sir Alex were awful, we should have forced him to retire after the 2011 final against Barcelona

I stopped taking this seriously after this point.

In 2011-12 we lost the title on goal difference
And in 2012-13 we won the title running away (and were robbed of a run to the CL semis by a weak red card to Nani vs Real).... how is that awful?
 
So like Jose's first season where we finished 6th? Pepper the opposition and draw every game. In this case, lose at home to Palace. First half was fecking shit as well.
Obviously, I agree Ole isn’t the long term answer. But what can we do about it now? We’re 3 games into the season ffs.
 
Some will say his hands are tied but the Maguire thing today is not a good look for Ole's management, that's something you see at the playground. Before that though we were crying out for someone who can deliver dead balls and cross, to bring in Maguire have no-one who can put a ball to him or have no plan and seemingly no-one working on this with Maguire taking it upon himself is poor. Late subs, not getting Shaw off, we face a brick wall and have no Gomes and Pogba playing too deep. Playing a non entity in Lingard and trusting on a keeper who hasn't signed and winding down his last year.

With last season we had a mega run and equally opposite shite run. I fear Ole's real form of managing and selecting will see more draws and loses.

The stream I had on had some of Ole's shouts, nothing tactical, just keep playing.
 
He's obviously not good enough but neither is the squad so what are we supposed to do? If we sack him it looks stupid because the team is shit and we didn't back him, but if we don't sack him we will probably continue to be useless because he's a poor manager. It's a dire situation to be in.
 
Guy is not fit for purpose at this level, let alone being close to best-in-class.
 
I hope we will not repeat our mistake to sack someone who is not the one to blame. We made massive mistakes over the last 10 years and we need to learn from them. Just want to mention some of them:

1. In 2009, we sold the best player in the world without trying to convince or stop him
2. Last 2 seasons of Sir Alex were awful, we should have forced him to retire after the 2011 final against Barcelona
3. David Moyes didn`t get money for good players, even though the team desperately needed new faces
4. Moyes was sacked before the end of the season which is ridiculous, especially without giving him money for transfers
5. I don`t know why Louis Van Gal was appointed and what was his job at the club, the thing i remember is that we were playing a football good for the second division
6. Mourinho did a good job during the first season, but for some reasons everything went wrong after that and he actually should have been sacked after the end of the second season

and some good words for Ole:

1. The guy loves the club and did a very good job in the transfer window (probably our best transfer window since 2003-2004), Mourinho also had one good though
2. and the best thing, he got rid of Fellaini;
3. Probably, today was the last chance for Lingard and he will no longer be part of ole`s plans or at least in long term;
4. Ole knows how to manage the players and knows what we need in order to be a top club again, he just need 2 or 3 players more
5. If we sack him, who would be better?

Stopped reading after that
 
Of course he is going to say that, most managers would except of course Mourinho.

I understand what you are trying to say but would heavens fall if he made a comment like this ; 'I am glad about our transfer business. We obviously couldn't get what all the players we set out to before the window. .The market is always dynamic but I know the club's ambitions and they are in tandem with mine and we will not rest on our laurels. We are always striving to improve our squad, both the players that are here and the ones we will get in future and I believe the board is constantly thinking of ways to add to our squad"........

That comment would have made fans more understanding of his predicament instead of ' I am VERY HAPPY with our business....just out curiosity, can't a coach say it the way I said it without being disrespectful or antagonistic towards the board?
 
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