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Ole is worse than Moyes.
That's how bad this is.
That's how bad this is.
Come on the winning run was 6 months ago now. Listen if I saw improvement, if I saw an identity then I would be all for giving him time. I dont see anything from him. Poor team selections and poor in game management from him. I dont mind losing games as long as the team has a go. If you go back to that side that went on that great winning run he played 3 in the center of mid One holding and two bombing on. Why is he not reverting back to that. Instead we play two holding midfielders now.Exactly. He enjoyed all the praise during that winning run, well you have to take the brickbats when it is all going wrong as well.
You know city scored 8 in one game?See, we’ve had the better chances in every game we’ve played this season and no-one else bar City and Liverpool can say that. I’m not even sure those two can say that. It’s just our opponents have been more clinical than you’d expect, De Gea flaky and our players have fluffed their lines. We’ve not been close to outplayed once.
I'm not concerned with what they are thinking. They are emotionally attached in the same way that we are with our club. I'm wondering whether our fans think these clubs should be firing their managersWell arsenal fans want Emery out.
It's more that people keep bringing that run up as an excuse for him actually knowing what he is doing. It was probably the players just being relieved. Then once those injuries kicked in he was lost and is still lost and has not got the quality backroom staff to ask for advice. He waits too long to make subs, is relying on players who are letting him down, but happily sticks up for them.Come on the winning run was 6 months ago now. Listen if I saw improvement, if I saw an identity then I would be all for giving him time. I dont see anything from him. Poor team selections and poor in game management from him. I dont mind losing games as long as the team has a go. If you go back to that side that went on that great winning run he played 3 in the center of mid One holding and two bombing on. Why is he not reverting back to that. Instead we play two holding midfielders now.
Norwich have a crap team but they play better than us. So another rubbish excuse.Sacking him now will tell us nothing, no new manager can do anything with a hilariously shit squad he's assembled this summer. Let him ride this season out, at the end of it we might have 1 of younger players having a breakthrough year.
Surely it's his fecking job to coach the team? What are we actually paying him to do?There is no ambitious passing by midfielders. Absolutely disgraceful coaching. Are they playing like this shite in training too and coaching staff is not doing anything? It can't be these players playing one game in training and totally different on match day. Totally not possible. Either Ole needs to sack his coaches, get new ones or walk out. This is pathetic.
What do you want him to say? Yeah I wanted 10 players but that git Woody only got me 3? Let's get him 2 more players in at Xmas and see where that takes us. But I wouldn't bet on him getting till Xmas. Arsenal and Liverpool on the horizon, not looking good for Ole.
Has to go.
Manager needs competent support staff to train the players daily as per the manager's tatics. Here I see not only Ole has a problem but his support staff is doing zilch in training. I am speculating, don't know what the feck is going on between two matches.Surely it's his fecking job to coach the team? What are we actually paying him to do?
Is it though? Or is it Woodwards? Was it Mourinhos fault we didnt sign a centerback last summer? We can't see the same shit happen year after year and ignore that the only constant every summer the Woodward. Maguire was signed 1 year too late. Whatever midfielder or attacker we sign next January or summer will have been signed 1 year too late. That's not the managers fault, that's Woodward playing catch up every year to fix past mistakes.Yep. That’s Ole’s fault. He’s created an unbalanced, thin squad.
Fergie left most of that to his assistants. Our European resurgence in 2007-2011 was mostly due to Carlos Queiroz in terms of tactics. Maybe we should have sacked Fergie, what were we paying him for?!Surely it's his fecking job to coach the team? What are we actually paying him to do?
Then there'd no reason for a manager. Just let the players do what they want, good or bad and never have a coach in place to help them learn and improve.Would you not think it's more the case that our players were too slow, too lacking in ball control and passing abilities and intelligence to make the right runs?
Fully agree with you. Like I said I dont mind seeing Utd lose matches if we saw improvement in the playing style and direction on the field. Unfortunately I see no improvement. He has even reverted to relying on Matic and Mata despite everyone knowing they are done at this level. So far this season we have lost to Crystal Palace, Southampton and West Ham alreadyIt's more that people keep bringing that run up as an excuse for him actually knowing what he is doing. It was probably the players just being relieved. Then once those injuries kicked in he was lost and is still lost and has not got the quality backroom staff to ask for advice. He waits too long to make subs, is relying on players who are letting him down, but happily sticks up for them.
It was SAF that managed and motivated the players. Set up the team, adapted to each opposition. It was SAF that identified the need to change, interviewed a whole load of coaches and bought in Quiroz. But yeah, let’s still keep disrespecting SAF by comparing him to a manager that thinks it’s still 1999.Fergie left most of that to his assistants. Our European resurgence in 2007-2011 was mostly due to Carlos Queiroz in terms of tactics. Maybe we should have sacked Fergie, what were we paying him for?!
So whats the point in Ole? Just go forward with the three amigos.Fergie left most of that to his assistants. Our European resurgence in 2007-2011 was mostly due to Carlos Queiroz in terms of tactics. Maybe we should have sacked Fergie, what were we paying him for?!
Who is available to replace him and capable of improving this squad?So whats the point in Ole? Just go forward with the three amigos.
Absolute rubbish and I repeat why would he want to limit his own chancesYou’re telling me Ole had striker transfer targets and he didn’t get them? Come on. He’s not said or done anything to suggest that, or even hint towards that. He was happy for Lukaku to be flogged and didn’t have any plans to bring a striker in. He felt content with martial, Rashford Greenwoodand already it’s spectacularly backfired.
You're right of course. Attributes would allude to what he says and not what happens. I feel like I've been gaslit.Too bad none of the attributes are related to management and tactics. If we wanted someone tactically inept but capable of temporarily lifting the mood of the squad, we should have just hired some clown instead.
This is so mental.Fergie left most of that to his assistants. Our European resurgence in 2007-2011 was mostly due to Carlos Queiroz in terms of tactics. Maybe we should have sacked Fergie, what were we paying him for?!
Yet people will blame Ed for renewing Mata [And Pereira] and selling Lukaku and Fellaini. OGS sold them to make points about the players he didn't want and wouldn't play if they stayed. He kept Mata and Pereira for the same reasons.Fully agree with you. Like I said I dont mind seeing Utd lose matches if we saw improvement in the playing style and direction on the field. Unfortunately I see no improvement. He has even reverted to relying on Matic and Mata despite everyone knowing they are done at this level. So far this season we have lost to Crystal Palace, Southampton and West Ham already
Honestly, I've no idea. But we're only going backwards under Ole and if we want to salvage something from this season, we should probably get rid of him and push to sign a sensible replacement.Who is available to replace him and capable of improving this squad?
Absolute rubbish and I repeat why would he want to limit his own chances
It’s laughable the amount of people that believe he was happy going into this season with 2 seasoned (and neither fantastic) strikers and a rookie.
I can’t get my head around how any of you believe this myth? The only thing is he didn’t complain about it so maybe that? But we saw what complaining about it last pre-season did for moral plus he doesn’t have the Mourinho factor when it comes to demands obviously.
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Ole needs to step up clearly but he’s been dealt a crap hand for the season.You can blame the ref, blame VAR, blame Ed, blame the players, but don’t blame Ole
Moyes would do better. Joses son would do better.Honestly, I've no idea. But we're only going backwards under Ole and if we want to salvage something from this season, we should probably get rid of him and push to sign a sensible replacement.
The squad is threadbare in both quantity and quality, Ole is forced to rely on Matic & Mata (among other less than useful players), just like any other manager who stepped in to replace him would also have to rely on them.Fully agree with you. Like I said I dont mind seeing Utd lose matches if we saw improvement in the playing style and direction on the field. Unfortunately I see no improvement. He has even reverted to relying on Matic and Mata despite everyone knowing they are done at this level. So far this season we have lost to Crystal Palace, Southampton and West Ham already
Alegri could be an option. Do think the problems run much higher than Ole though, however having a manager who is tactically out of his depth also doesnt help.Who is available to replace him and capable of improving this squad?
Hes not rectifying anything. All I see are the piling of more problems.No point in changing the manager now and then going through the exact same process we have done since we hired Moyes.
Unless we are doing absolutely dire, we have to give Ole the season. See how things are next season.
He is trying to rectify all the mistakes we have made since Ferguson left.
We still have to get rid of some players like Mata who is just riding the gravy train. Lingarrd as well should be nowhere near the starting 11.
We need a RW, a ten and a MF in the summer.
I think we can write off this season already. Maybe win the Europa League.
I repeat the worst thing we can do is fire him.
He'll have to come out of retirement. Carrick and Phelan in midfield.
Oh I forgot that one ...blame crap hand.Ole needs to step up clearly but he’s been dealt a crap hand for the season.