Of course it is, our spoiled fans are always right about anything.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær handling of injuries
- Thread starter Ludens the Red
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So, in your opinion is definitely that the medical team was not aware of his condition, despite Rashford having chronic issues with it, having trouble sitting down as per reports before the game - so probably they chose not to examine him or they did but decided they won't tell Solskjaer about it?
Ah, yes, spoiled! And the top reds decided the medical team are useless gits that don't monitor players condition and lie the manager about it. Basically all they do is sit with their dick in their hands all day.
I didn't say that. Maybe it was a miss communication or something or the reports are not true. Or Rashford played it down. But as I said in the minds of some its automatically all Ole's fault.
Isn't it strange that chronic back problems reports emerged after the game. If it's chronic it happened for a good while.
Also try to keep that top red stuff out of communication, it's childish and it signals the lack of good arguments.
Well, maybe Ole, all the players, saf, boardroom, owners, all staffs just sit with their dick in their hands all day. Probably Ole fault.
We have multiple reports saying the same thing and it was public event so hardly everyone decided just to lie about it to sell papers.
If he was having back issues every respectable medical department will monitor his condition thoroughly. Especially when he was carrying a knock of some sort and is your best player.
He started off the bench in a game, Ole said himself was a must win - hence there was something to worry about his condition. Ole himself said he was carrying a knock - the medical team not monitoring him seems far fetched story.
He openly said it that he was carrying not one but two knocks - back and knee. He's not a doctor so must have been the medical team that gave him that input, no?
Could he play, hence the medical team giving him a green light? Probably yes and he did in the first 15 mins he was on. Was there a great risk to re-injure himself? Pretty much so considering he was carrying not one, but two knocks. Was Ole aware that he was carrying two knocks and that "he has been struggling for a while"? Apparently yes, by his own admission. Who is responsible to take the decision of putting him on, the medical team or the manager?
On the top red stuff - it wasn't directed to you, but the other poster who kicked off with the "spoiled" angle.
Yeah, it isn't the managers fault subbing on a player that is struggling, knowing he has two problems - knee and back. It's Woodwards, Glazers and the medical team of course.
I'm not saying papers are lying about it but we havent heard of the chronic back problems before.
If medical gave him a green light with that kind of a problem it is a problem.
If they didn't and Ole risked it still its a gross negligence on his part.
But the whole story seems a bit messed up.
Whats this about - I never heard about this?
Look at the interview above - by his own admission he was having trouble with knee and back. He was playing him in every single game without a rest for months now. He knew he was struggling with injuries but still decided to run him into the ground.
He has played 2364 minutes so far into the season, the only two games he didn't partake was against Astana and AZ(had a hip injury against Rochdale).
Let's say, for the sake of the argument, that he didn't know the exact extend of the injuries he had, do you still think this is proper management of Rashford, playing him 90 mins in every game possible, even rarely subbing him off, knowing full well he was having issues in his knee and back?
There's obviously some mistakes being made on the training/players fitness side of things as we've been suffering an awful lot of injuries pretty much since Fergie left. I remember it being a huge problem under van gaal and he publicly criticised the way we did things and actively tried to change things but I never noted any improvement, same under Mourinho.
You look at Liverpool or even city, apart from a few key injuries this season, and wonder what we are doing so differently to create this problem.
You look at Liverpool or even city, apart from a few key injuries this season, and wonder what we are doing so differently to create this problem.
You guys are putting way too much faith in our current medical staff actually being decent to diagnose anything in good time for the manager's benefit. Players have been falling like flies for about 5 years.
Our medics haven't got a clue and are probably worst in class within the top 6.
Our medics haven't got a clue and are probably worst in class within the top 6.
He ate too much while at United, that was the problem.
Well that's simply not true:
https://www.cuteinjury.co.uk/blog/item/premier-league-injury-analysis-2018/
Arsenal had the worst record during five years span (2013/2018). We had 9 more injuries than Liverpool and City.
Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal, West Ham - all suffered more having players sidelined during that period.
Alright. Second worst in class within the top 6 then. I don't believe Liverpool have more injuries than us.Well that's simply not true:
https://www.cuteinjury.co.uk/blog/item/premier-league-injury-analysis-2018/
Arsenal had the worst record during five years span (2013/2018). We had 9 more injuries than Liverpool and City.
Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal, West Ham - all suffered more having players sidelined during that period.
We've an injury crisis every year for about 6 years. It's par for the course at United regardless of the manager in charge.
Arsenal are in different dimension and by far the worst. We have comparable record to City and Liverpool. Bear in mind we had perma crocks like Bailly, Jones and Rojo that also boosted our numbers(of course other teams have too).
You call it perma crocks, I call it poor medical advice on how to best prepare their body for football.
Ole has made a mistake with Rashford, I accept that, but our medical team is generally a disgrace and people must see that.
Even Jose Mourinho's United team, famous for its low running mileage, had an injury crisis. How the feck is that even possible?
If our medical department is a disgrace than surely you should be throwing stones at City and Liverpool mate. Their injury list is as long as ours and in case of Liverpool their players have missed more matches than us.
Not to mention the defensive crisis City endured this season which practically voided their entire year.
Since the last year training regime change we boosted our injury record by quite a bit(even by our standards). It's not always the MD to blame..
Our injury record is still worse than either or those clubs though. But i don't care what they do. I care what we do and it is not acceptable to have to deal with an injury crisis every year for the past 5 years.
Doesn't matter if its Ole, Poch or Allegri in charge. This team will not get anywhere near top 4 if there are constant unending injuries.
I'm certain that the decision over a player's availability is done collectively between manager, medical staff and most importantly, the player.
Laying it all at the manager's door just seems too convenient for anyone looking to bash him at every possible moment.
Laying it all at the manager's door just seems too convenient for anyone looking to bash him at every possible moment.
Let me refresh your memory, ahead of Champions League final Diego Costa was out injured for a while. Had to fly to Serbia to certain horse placenta treatment and Diego Simeone and the staff did everything to get him fit for it. And he got injured in first half and had to be subbed off.
Things like these happen even in 2020, it's a outrage of course but it can happen.
Things like these happen even in 2020, it's a outrage of course but it can happen.
Seriously?
You comparing champions league final which is the biggest game of a players career and the last game of the season to a third round replay?
I would want a player to risk it for a champions league final. Worst that can happen is yes the injury can reoccur but it’s the last game of the season. So if they get injured they may as well get injured on the last game not in January.
Game is a game, it can happen.
One is the last game of the season and the biggest in a footballers career so don’t blame them for taking a risk to be fit. The other is a third round replay, so no a game isn’t a game.
A player risks injury at anytime during any game.
The comparison was silly because Costa was injured going into the game, Rashford was injured during the game.
Rashford was also carrying the injury in the game apparently. That’s the whole point of this thread. It was so bad he couldn’t sit down to do interviews.
If you want a player to risk it then it’s the last game of the season especially a final. We risking players in a FA cup replay is madness but that’s down to our inept transfer dealings.
The results speak for themselves. Not to mention Maguire has also played on through Injury unnecessarily. It is also no coincidence with McTominay and Rashford who have been overplayed.
Regarding Pogba, if he had had surgery in the first place (which the club had been trying to avoid) he would have been back before Christmas.
I will believe the manager over the press, for the time being. He was stated twice now that Rashford was not injured prior to the game but was carrying a few knocks, which is quite common. He took a knee to the back during the game. That can happen at any moment.
Also, MR even posted a photo of him sitting with Giggs for that interview you mention on Insta. Followed by a photo of him sitting down replying to fan mail...
Thats why he was on the bench and not starting...
The same manager who was saying he’d be out for a few weeks originally before the press confirmed he’d be out for months. So he lost some trust from me when he couldn’t be bothered telling the truth about how long Rashford was out for.
Perhaps he didn't want to reveal the severity of the injury? For a variety of reasons.
Yeah he was on the bench cause in that time he apparently had a knock.
And those reasons are?
Press didnt confirm anything. It's just speculation at this point.
I blame Pogba
Henry Winter tweeted during the Liverpool game he’d be out for months. Before the Liverpool game Ole said he’d be out for weeks. Then suddenly after the Liverpool game when questioned about the reports changes from weeks to he could be out for a while.
Bar 1 or 2 seasons, we've had persistent injury problems going back until early 2007. Year on year we have key players out or a crisis where the squad depth gets seriously tested. Something needs to be done about it.
Henry Winter tweet. That settles it then.
Taken from United's website from his press conference about the Burnley game, I actually have no words anymore
"Of course, we are stretched and some of the players have played a lot. And they're improving for it and will reap the benefit and get stronger physically and mentally more robust."
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...724542745&utm_medium=post&utm_source=facebook
"Of course, we are stretched and some of the players have played a lot. And they're improving for it and will reap the benefit and get stronger physically and mentally more robust."
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...724542745&utm_medium=post&utm_source=facebook
Oh I don't know, maybe he didn't want to give opponents a target when he returns, or maybe MR himself didn't want the information to be public. There could be a multitude of reasons but you've chosen to go with 'the manager's a liar'.