Must be feeling bullish after the audio of him heckling Sancho went viralI see VP is bigging up Ten Hag and laying the snack down on Ole despite their PL stats being almost identical. I think Ten Hag has 1 more point combined? Conceded more goals and scored a lot less, has a better win percentage but a significantly worse loss percentage. Spent roughly the same amount of money no?
It's a lesson against fanboyism. Don't do it lads, stay clear! Good night.
I get what you're saying, but a lot of these players are drilled differently now and ill suited to anything that's essentially not counter attacking football. So if ten hag is brought in to press, be direct, be attacking and strangle teams up the pitch whilst being comfortable playing out, then it's hard to do when Dalot is on the opposite flank, wan bissaka isn't good at dribbling out, Maguire / Lindelof aren't suited to a high line and so on.
Im not bigging Ten Hag up, just citing the obvious in him outperforming Ole in year one in a fraction of the time and half the money spent.I see VP is bigging up Ten Hag and laying the snack down on Ole despite their PL stats being almost identical. I think Ten Hag has 1 more point combined? Conceded more goals and scored a lot less, has a better win percentage but a significantly worse loss percentage. Spent roughly the same amount of money no?
It's a lesson against fanboyism. Don't do it lads, stay clear! Good night.
Getting past the Champions League group is worth more than the EFL Cup both in prestige and money so objectively isn't a fitting term.
At least we came back from behind to win against out opponents. That shows that ole at least had the humility to accept he got it wrong and had the vision to correct it.
I have been comparing their best seasons, ETH’s second one is headed for a much worse ending than the first one so I thought it more fair to use 22-23 rather than 23-24. Quite clearly ETH had a better first season than Ole but will end up having a far worse second. If we however go on a run now and finish above 75 points, this comparison will shift.
Ronaldo. He came and screwed up everything Ole made right. Alot of things went south but it was Ronaldo who fully destroyed the morale, last remaining authority Ole had.
He didn’t rate tactics? The main criticism of him at the time was that our tactics changed too much, that we would change our approach to fit the opponent. It’s a bit idiotic to say that just because he preferred to play direct, he “didn’t rate tactics”. It was quite the opposite.
We must have had some really high standards if under his tenure we've had the 3rd most goals/game in our history (more than SAF as well) and we also had the highest GD/game among literally any manager in our history.
Most of those spontaneous plays became possible because of Cavani's unselfish and world-class off the ball movement. It's a shame he proved more of an "in the spur of the moment" signing than a calculated decision. We traded that for the 40 yo version of Ronaldo who demanded everyone to work for him on the pitch. Then, we spent 75 million quid on a poacher to play alongside inverted forwards/wingers without an ounce of creativity in them. Even when we stumbled onto something good (probably by accident), we failed to recognize it.
How can you say this when the Pool game at home happened?
Fans have been calling for every player to be sold after pretty much every manager. Jose, Ole, Rangnick. And I don’t think the current crop under ETH would fare much better either.
Yeah I also agreed it was probably fair to sack him. But on reflection, he had only lost 5 games in the league and finished top of the CL group! Even Ole fans like me felt that 4 defeats in 5 during a bad run including city and Liverpool was too much. But then you compare it to ETH this season and it seems madness to have sacked Ole so early ( or to keep ETH so long)
Yeah it’s really perplexing how they have basically been the same manager for us (results, money spent, failures) yet one is a resounding success and the other is the worst appointment in 30 years.I see VP is bigging up Ten Hag and laying the snack down on Ole despite their PL stats being almost identical. I think Ten Hag has 1 more point combined? Conceded more goals and scored a lot less, has a better win percentage but a significantly worse loss percentage. Spent roughly the same amount of money no?
It's a lesson against fanboyism. Don't do it lads, stay clear! Good night.
Erm… he didn’t finish top of the group at all.
Absolutely no-one is saying the bolded though. Most are admitting he’s failing now, but a win today and he’s not far off the points per game for Ole’s second best season. So right now, it’s clear which one was worse.
By a point. It really is a negligible difference.Absolutely no-one is saying the bolded though. Most are admitting he’s failing now, but a win today and he’s not far off the points per game for Ole’s second best season. So right now, it’s clear which one was worse.
Of the two, ETH has clearly had the best full season. Ole had a shit last season and this may or may not go that way for EtH too, but right now the only thing you are saying Ole has on ETH is a 66 points season
And you cannot discount the no pressure environment of the empty stadia that enabled our mentality monsters to play. It all went to bits as soon as fans re-entered the equation.
A bit idiotic? Go back and look at how he played, what he actually said about the importance of tactics and stop claiming daft things.
Football is about winning things, not solely scoring goals. At the end of the day, he won nothing whilst allowing our standards of professionalism to drop massively and failing to transcend our play. I don't give a feck if we scored a lot of goals in a patch in between, because the bigger picture is that we chronically failed. The bigger takeaway than GD is that we had our longest trophy drought under him.
Don't forget the protests that lead to us having 3 games in 5 days. From one Thursday to the next we played an unprecedented 4 games.
And a trophy like.
These are such silly arguments. What if de gea would've scored his pen and saved one? Would that tiny difference have made everything great just because we'd have won a pot?
What if DDG didn't feck up in the FA cup final last year? What if Ole had so many injuries like Ten Hag now? There's lots of what ifs. The revisionism from supporters is what's annoying.
What if Gerrard didn’t slip, is Rodgers suddenly an amazing PL manager?
I totally forgot this.Don't forget the protests that lead to us having 3 games in 5 days. From one Thursday to the next we played an unprecedented 4 games.
With a normal season (the first month not being a pre season as you mentioned, and the end not being completely bonkers) we'd easily have ended up on 80+ points.
That was the most fun season post Fergie (not saying much but still a big samle size). And that on top of a disastrous summer window where the hierarchy didn't sign one useful player.
League Cup isn’t that important and the fact we had the easiest run in of all recent winners helped massively. My outlook on Ole would not have dramatically changed if he had managed to beat Charlton, Burnley, Forest and out of form Newcastle to claim the least important trophy there is. Also, Ole’s season included an EL final after a very decent run.
Indeed. I don’t imagine we would have been calling to keep Ole after that disaster of 21-22 even if we had won EL the season before which we were inches away from doing.
We were absolutely awful v PsG though, my God.
I will get slammed by ETH cult but for me the Europa League run in 20-21 was better than the League Cup win. We beat Sociedad (4-0 at their ground), Milan and Roma (6-2 at OT being our best European performance since Fergie left) to get to the final which we unfortunately lost.
You really are blinded by this crusade against him, it’s a bit sad.
There is no crusade, he said himself he doesn't place as high a value on tactics. He himself allowed a poor culture to fester and there was the longest trophy drought under his reign. These are facts to some crusade. The only crusade right now is from revisionists like you claiming facts are idiotic.
