Ole v Spurs

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  1. Jan 9, 2019

    Greck Full Member

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    No way but I guess you're entitled to your opinion. I feel like oppo fans don't know we scrutinise Pogba relative to World class standards. That and Jose fanatics exaggerating his average performances to make a case for selling him. That's why every oppo fan thinks their favourite decent player is better
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    SquishyMcSquish Full Member

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    He has 2 goals against United, and a game where he didn't score but completely bossed your defence. So he's had a few poor performances and a couple of games where he hasn't played vs you because he's been injured. And you know, 14 league goals and 4 assists this season.


    Yeah yeah, the old Benzema was world class but Ronaldo was stealing his goals argument. He was a good striker who was good as a foil, but never a top class goalscorer at the highest level. Kane is a fantastically well rounded player with world class hold up play and excellent passing to go with his unbelievable eye for goal. He's the complete striker package, aside from lacking pace to get in behind defences. Anybody with eyes and a brain can see how good he is regardless of how many trophies his team has won. He's the best player I've seen play for Spurs personally, better than Bale or Modric and if he was at one of the worlds elite clubs he'd be racking up the trophies. Born goalscorer with a fantastic attitude who has worked wonders on his all round game.
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    SquishyMcSquish Full Member

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    I really like Pogba, I think he's one of the best midfielders in the league and has often received unwarranted stick. I don't think even his bad games are good (I've seen plenty where he's been a fecking mess) but at his best he's incredibly dangerous and I'd love him at Tottenham. He has pretty much everything you need in a PL midfielder.

    I don't think there's much between him and Eriksen, but the idea that none of our attacking players can 'do what Pogba can' is just so wrong. All of them can score from nothing, Eriksen is capable of passes which can take a defence completely out of the game, Son can score some of the best goals I've ever seen and Kane is totally unplayable on his day.
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    RedCurry Full Member

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    My bad, 2 goals in 8 games against United.

    Don't get me wrong, I can see how good Kane is. I also see that he isn't world class. Great footballer and just a level below world class. No shame in that.
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    Nikelesh Reddy Full Member

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    The game at Oldtrafford should seriously worry us.We actually played well in the first half,we were in control at the beginning of the 2nd half....and then we switched off defensively and they won 3-0.

    We have to put in a complete performance...I”m not sure if our defenders are capable of playing a high line...So I guess we”ll have to drop deep,stay tight,but when we got the opportunity counterattack with a real vengeance...Either way,almost every player needs to get a 7/10 If we have to win the game...
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    MoskvaRed Full Member

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    Kane and Eriksen are dreadful. As a selfless gesture, I’d be happy for United to help out Spurs by swapping them for Lukaku and Mata.
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    SquishyMcSquish Full Member

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    2 of his goals have come in recent games, so he's clearly over the struggles he used to have against you. It's weird to say you're not afraid of playing the top scorer in the league just because back in 15/16 he had some poor matches against United.

    That's fine, you can keep not calling him world class while he racks up golden boots for club and country, doesn't really make that much of a difference. What out and out strikers do you actually consider world class right now, out of curiosity?
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    marktan Full Member

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    I didn't say your players can't do what Pogba do, I rate Eriksen, Son and Alli all very highly. I just think Pogba is a better all-round player currently - he can shoot, dribble, play passes short and long into feet at a world class level. I just think he's a little a bit above your players - but e.g. Eriksen for example is pretty close, and better in some aspects, but I'd say not as good as Pogba at dribbling. Son is a better, more direct dribbler than Pogba, but obviously not as good as a passer. Where Spurs have the advantage I think is the that your front 4 together are very good, compared to us anyway.

    I do think that if you put Pogba in Spurs team he'd look even better than he'd look a lot better, whereas Eriksen e.g. would look a lot worse in our team under Mourinho.
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    LoveFootball New Member

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    Do you really think one of Alli, Kane, Erikcsen and Son comes close to Pogba's talent? Martial is better player than Alli, Kane and Son. Jesus, it's like us saying the like of Park and Fletcher are better than Xavi and Iniesta because we were winning trophies.
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    SquishyMcSquish Full Member

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    :lol:

    I really hope for your sake this is just a troll.
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    Dec9003 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    We'll know how good tottenhams team really are if/when they win a major trophy.
    As for our match against them I certainly think we can beat them.
    We'll have to play really well but we're capable of that.
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    SquishyMcSquish Full Member

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    That's fair, I have no issue with United fans thinking Pogba is better than Eriksen. He's very, very good and one of the best in the league. I'd kill to have him in our midfield. I just find it funny how a few games can change the general perception, seemed like every other post was slagging him off not so long ago and now he's one of the very best players in the league, a level above Eriksen etc etc.
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    LoveFootball New Member

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    OMG. How often you watched Benzema before this season?

    "Not even close" :houllier:
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    LoveFootball New Member

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    What makes you think Alli, Son and Ericksen are better than Pogba, or Even Martial? For Kane I can understand the debate, but tell me about the "Fab 3", something I don't see when watching them.
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    balaks Full Member

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    Your generosity knows no bounds.
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    balaks Full Member

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    Can I have a glass of whatever you have been drinking please?
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    balaks Full Member

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    I've watched him for around a decade - he is a good player sure - Kane is better than him in every conceivable way though (in my opinion).
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    LoveFootball New Member

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    One thing is sure, nobody else is drinking the juice Spurs fans on here have been drinking since Pochetinho is doing fine for you. So now every of your players is better than Pogba? :lol:
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    Kapardin New Member

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    Agree with that. Benzema is overrated because he played for Real, the guy is no prolific goalscorer bar a season here and there.
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    balaks Full Member

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    Where on earth did you pull that corker from? Where did anybody say that? From what I can see the Spurs fans on this thread have been nothing but complimentary towards Pogba.
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    SquishyMcSquish Full Member

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    You think Martial is a better player than Kane, there's zero point in even engaging with your opinions. They're all in the world of fantasy land.
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    LoveFootball New Member

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    Luckily it's "only your opinion". Benzema has better all round play than Kane, his technic is better and he has better skills an his goal scoring record is good consider the role he was playing for Madrid.
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    balaks Full Member

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    Fair enough that's your opinion. I think you are wrong though and I reckon most people would agree with me. I do think Benzema is a good player and possibly a bit under-rated at times but I just think Kane has a better all round game and is clearly a better goal scorer.
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    AngeloHenriquez Full Member

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    Benzemas all round game is far better than Benzema but Kane is miles better in movement and goal scoring which for a striker is what matters, Kane is world class and one of the best strikers in the game, not sure what @LoveFootball is drinking tbh...

    As for Martial being better than Kane, that's mental, I think he has a lot Kane doesn't and vice versa but Kane is the better player however I do believe Martial has a higher ceiling but too many don't reach their potential but to go back the other way Pogba is a better player than Erikson but there's not light years in it at all.
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    LoveFootball New Member

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    When someone says that the "Fab 4" is better than anything we have, what do you think he's insinuating?
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    SquishyMcSquish Full Member

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    It means that he thinks as a collective our attack is better than yours is. It doesn't mean every single one of our players is better than Pogba.
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    AngeloHenriquez Full Member

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    He literally didn't say that... he said we have gone from under rating Pogba to over rating him, infact it was "fab 3" and you brought it up didn't you? Unless I've missed something..
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    SquishyMcSquish Full Member

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    Nah he's referring to someone earlier in the thread who said the fab 4 were better than what United could offer, don't even think he was a Spurs fan. All I think he means is that going forward as a unit Alli, Kane, Son and Eriksen are better than United's respective options.

    People are entitled to agree/disagree with that if they like, but it's certainly not 'all our players are better than Pogba', that's for sure.
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    AngeloHenriquez Full Member

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    I think I'd stick with Pogba, Martial, Rashford & Sanchez but see an argument either way plausable to be honest
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    LoveFootball New Member

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    What in your mind makes you think that Kane is better than Benzema? Is this thing about overrating English players to make them look great? Don't let goals fool you.

    Martial, playing on the wing, have a better goal/game ratio without even being the main man for us. Give him a run of games and he turns around a goal/game ratio. Actually Kane is a finished item, but let have this debate within 2 years.
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    Macca7 New Member

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    A lot of people in this thread are confusing talent and effectiveness to decide who is a better footballer. Martial is more naturally talented than Kane, he is not a better footballer however.
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    AngeloHenriquez Full Member

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    Goals don't fool me but my eyes tell me he's a better striker with an inferior all round game, as a striker, goal scoring is the most important thing and he does that better so goals don't fool me but I also regard them as an important indicator.

    How do you know Kane is a finished item? He's further ahead in his development granted but lots of players don't improve from Martial's age, as I stated previously, I think Martial has a higher ceiling but he needs to produce this consistently (Which i do believe him capable) to be considered as good or better, I'd take Martial over Son, Erikson or Alli but not Kane, to make a front 4 out of those 4 I'd have Pogba Rashford and Martial behind Kane, Erikson maybe get's the nod over Rashford on the wing but I rate Rashford's potential ridiculously..
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    Someone said this :
    "Not one of them is better than an on form Paul Pogba and aside from scoring goals, not one of them can do what Pogba does and tear the arse out of an entire defensive team with one pass."

    Then @SquishyMcSquish respond with:
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    :rolleyes:

    Seems like United fans have gone from undervaluing/rating Pogba to massively overrating him in a very short space of time. I guess that's what a few goals against relegation fodder does for you."

    What do you make with this?
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    AngeloHenriquez Full Member

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    The "Someone" comment is plain wrong but to me Squishy is saying that we have gone from underrating him to overrating him, nothing more.. Just my personal opinion but it's redundant anyway as he clarified that he meant that he thinks SPurs front 4 are better than United's, to which I disagree with but cited that it's not 100% either way..
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    Spurs forwards being better is a stretch to be honest. We've scored slightly less goals with a far worse backline. Had Mourinho not thrown a temper tantrum in pre-season we would without a doubt have been better in attack than Spurs, even with our manager downing tools we are within touching distance of you.

    It's been obvious that we had a top heavy squad with a bottom heavy manager :nervous:. Leading to a mismatch of personnel and tactics.
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    SquishyMcSquish Full Member

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    Yeah guys, don't let a strikers goalscoring record fool you. It's not like that is their very purpose on the field.

    This 'thing' is about recognising arguably the best striker in the world right now as exactly that. Kane is a world class goalscorer with fantastic all round ability.

    As for the bolded ... you're in fantasy loony land again if you think Martial would keep up a goal a game ratio across an entire season. Totally delusional.
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    SquishyMcSquish Full Member

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    I don't think there is much in it either way. Kane walks in to your side (and any side in the world), but the other options are all arguable and prone to fan bias on both sides.
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    Dec9003 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    If Kane is the best striker in world football he'll have that Tottenham side up there with Liverpool and city at the end of the season.
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    LoveFootball New Member

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    I think Benzema is(was) better than Kane as I don't judge a striker purely on goals and I watched the last 10 years to form that opinion.

    If goals are the most important thing for a striker, surely Martial who has a better goal/game ratio is better than Kane, right?

    Kane is 25 y/o and have been playing PL football the last 5 seasons, I think it's fair to say he's now a finished item.
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    LoveFootball New Member

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    So according to you, which Spurs player is better than Pogba?