MancunianAngels
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6 (six) games ffs.
Thats a pointless stat without context.I think we've conceded the first shot on target in our last 4 games haven't we? Kinda mad that.
Most stats are pointless without context - but I expect most people on a Manchester United forum will remmeber all 4 goals, and remember that a) they all involved pretty crap defending/team setup and b) Onana was hugely at fault for one, and could possibly have done better on another, though wasn't exactly at fault for it.Thats a pointless stat without context.
If he saves the Rice shot it's an exceptional save, belongs no where near a list of shots he should've done better with. I don't really think the Awoniyi one should be on their either tbh.He’s should have done better on about 4 or 5 goals he’s conceded this season. Other top keepers might give you 1-2 a year.
Awonyi goal
Rice goal
Pedro goal
Sane goal
I’m 50/50 about putting Martinez own goal on here too
I think a few of us had reservations about his shot stopping when we signed and I’ve seen no where near enough of him on the ball to offset basic goal keeping ability
This sort of hysterical stuff used to be something that would be limited to the Sun rag type papers.6 (six) games ffs.
And has he blasted any of his defenders for calamitous mistakes that led to goals (and there have clearly been a few so far this season) like he blasted Maguire for a relatively minor error in a pre-season friendly?What would the reaction on here have been if one of the defenders last night had reacted to his mistake in the same way he reacted to Maguire's mistake?
I think a really elite keeper could potentially save the Rice goal, and actually Brighton's second goal (it wasn't in the corner) - I'm think De Gea when he was the best shot stopper in the world 6 years ago type of keeper - so in a sense you can't blame Onana for them, but then is it unreasonable to expect a Manchester United keeper to pull off those types of saves?If he saves the Rice shot it's an exceptional save, belongs no where near a list of shots he should've done better with. I don't really think the Awoniyi one should be on their either tbh.
Vidic and Evra had a torrid first 6 months at United and that was a much more settled team.De Gea had a worse start I think I remember one game he was particularly crap that we won 3-2 where he let in two soft goals but we were a top team so we won anyway. That’s not happening with Onana where we’re not very good otherwise. The midfield has been fairly overrun, Varane and Shaw have been injured and Martinez has been fairly poor while Dalot and Lindelof aren’t up to it. Can’t just blame the keeper for that.
Don't think giving a player a bollocking after a near-miss is quite the same as giving them a bollocking after they've fecked up and single-handedly caused an actual goal to be scored. Usually in the latter case the instinctive reaction is to encourage them so their head doesn't drop, whereas you don't need to do that to the same extent when they've gotten away with something.What would the reaction on here have been if one of the defenders last night had reacted to his mistake in the same way he reacted to Maguire's mistake?
Give me an example of a time where an outfield player berated a goalkeeper for conceding a soft goal?What would the reaction on here have been if one of the defenders last night had reacted to his mistake in the same way he reacted to Maguire's mistake?
not conceding goals isnt just on the keeper though?Most stats are pointless without context - but I expect most people on a Manchester United forum will remmeber all 4 goals, and remember that a) they all involved pretty crap defending/team setup and b) Onana was hugely at fault for one, and could possibly have done better on another, though wasn't exactly at fault for it.
I mean I literally just said that? All 4 are a combination of crap defending and keeping - and I just think its mad that literally the first shot on our goal has ended up going in 4 times in a row.not conceding goals isnt just on the keeper though?
Do you watch Onana and think he has textbook technique when shot stopping?Its amazing he got to this age, playing for top clubs and significantly contributed to get to a CL final and nobody didnt notice?
Whatever you are doing for a living, if its not goalkeeping coaching, you wasting that talent.
And he got slaughtered for it by everyoneDon't you remember De Gea saving a shot just like that first goal today at West Ham last season?
He was very good for both Ajax and Inter.I think it's fair enough that he needs to be given more games before being judged but was he ever very good for other teams? It seemed every compilation of him involved passing the ball to defenders rather than what's primary job of a goalkeeper. Surely at this level you need both and having a goalkeeper that isn't a great goalkeeper is the equivalent of having a hard working forward who doesn't score goals?
Would love to know how much of that was from sweeping and dealing with chances before they became chances because he's been clearly told to not sweep. There was at least twice last night I'd have been angry at ddg for not sweeping let alone onana.
This is from The Athletic showing that he was the best keeper in last season's champions league when preventing goal scoring opportunities compared to their xG value.
Like the Italians say, it rains on the wet and right now this club is wetter than a One Direction concert.
They were saying he still makes saves no one else can make and kept harping on about stuff he did 5 years ago as justification for keeping him in another 200k per week long term deal.The Caf's next scapegoat. One blunder. One. Don't forget it takes time to adapt to the Prem, even for keepers. Besides, where were you all when De Gea was stinking the place up since 2018?
Maybe if we had a midfield that actually tracked runners and didn't give people a free shot from 12-18 yards he'd have a chance.
Now do the league which is a better subset of data. If we ring fence only a single competition then Lingard becomes a hell of a player
This is from The Athletic showing that he was the best keeper in last season's champions league when preventing goal scoring opportunities compared to their xG value.
Like the Italians say, it rains on the wet and right now this club is wetter than a One Direction concert.
He finds himself in the unfortunate position where he's taking hits from the De Gea fanboys as well as from the people would grab any single opportunity to pile on ETH because they want him gone. Let's not forget, this is the forum where Martial still has people defending him.The Caf's next scapegoat. One blunder. One. Don't forget it takes time to adapt to the Prem, even for keepers. Besides, where were you all when De Gea was stinking the place up since 2018?
Maybe if we had a midfield that actually tracked runners and didn't give people a free shot from 12-18 yards he'd have a chance.
We were right to get rid of de gea but could have gone for raya at a much lower priceI said it last year, the goalkeepers position is a Pandora's box. If you feck it, you'll be in the market every single year until you manage to stop the bleeding.
Don't feck around with it, unless you really have to. And knowing us, we'll take at least 5 attempts to get it right - so that's goodbye to at least £40m of your budget going forward now every summer.
Has Onana not been?And he got slaughtered for it by everyone