Yeah that last bit is interesting (female judge) and spot on.
Oscar Pistorius Trial
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
This evidence is looking grim do Oscar, surely if they decide that all these witnesses are legit then he's done.
There was also quite a few domestic reports to the police to that address from previous weeks, proving thing's were clearly not happy in the household.
There was also reports Oscar was thinking Reeva was cheating/cheated on him, which could explain the rage/motive for killing her. None of those are confirmed though but I remember reading about it at the time it happened.
There was also reports Oscar was thinking Reeva was cheating/cheated on him, which could explain the rage/motive for killing her. None of those are confirmed though but I remember reading about it at the time it happened.
Just because they may have had an argument doesn't mean he murdered her nor does it prove it.
No of course my but surely if they were arguing in the direct run up to the shots being fired then that casts serious doubt on the claim that he thought it was an intruder?
Johnson said he was surprised to be told that Pistorius had shot his girlfriend as he had assumed he had heard a break-in the previous night.
He said he found it hard to square that account with what he had witnessed, as he had heard both a man and a woman calling for help, and assumed they were reacting to an armed burglary and not having a domestic dispute.
So his reaction was to turn around and go to sleep? Lovely guy.
He said he found it hard to square that account with what he had witnessed, as he had heard both a man and a woman calling for help, and assumed they were reacting to an armed burglary and not having a domestic dispute.
So his reaction was to turn around and go to sleep? Lovely guy.
That would be the problem for him. At this point even Oscar admits he fired the shots that killed her, the only issue to decide is whether his story of thinking it was intruders holds any water. Any history of domestic disputes or violence could cause issues for him. It really will not become about one piece of evidence but about how all the individual pieces stack up.
Standards are slipping. It took 12 posts for that pun to be rolled out. Rolled out? More material for you?
Would he be allowed wear his legs in prison?
Apparantly not. He'd be confined to a wheelchair to stop his legs being used as weapons.
Roux, the defence lawyer, is clutching at straws in trying to undermine the witness evidence. If there was a jury he would be pissing them right off.
Understand the context. He lives in the security estate neighboring Oscar's. They also didn't know where exactly the noises and shots came from but knew it was not direct neighbours. Plus they live in security estates so the need to be a hero is not there. They did attempt to call security but had the wrong number.
Understand the context. He lives in the security estate neighboring Oscar's. They also didn't know where exactly the noises and shots came from but knew it was not direct neighbours. Plus they live in security estates so the need to be a hero is not there. They did attempt to call security but had the wrong number.
So what is the most likely to have happened? They had an argument, he freaks out and threatens to kill her, she panics and runs away, locks herself in the bathroom, he takes his gun and shoots through the door?
That is one option
I seen a bit of it on the news last night and that lawyer just kept repeating the same question to the same witness and wording it slightly different to try getting them to change their answer
When I first heard his version of events I had assumed that he had a huge house with several bathrooms, and the bathroom in question was in a different section of the house or something. I mean, I didn't think it was possible to claim the story he has, in a situation where the bathroom is adjoining the bedroom (which in fact it was), because all he had to do to check whether his girlfriend is in bed or not... was turn his head.
I watched a bit the first day and this is all he was doing. The witness was very adamant though, and his petty attempts to undermine her testimony didn't work (in my eyes at least).I seen a bit of it on the news last night and that lawyer just kept repeating the same question to the same witness and wording it slightly different to try getting them to change their answer
It's honestly like this lawyer has watched a crap TV programme where this worked for the TV lawyer. The judge/whatever should tell him to stop being a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
I watched it today, they were banging on about him accidentally firing a gun in a restaurant once and how someone else took the rap for it, then had to adjourn for 2 hours because the defence was not aware the witness was being called. Then they ran out of witnesses so called it a half day. No wonder these things take weeks.
Apparently in response to the two neighbours' saying that they heard screams and gunshots at same time, the defence are now saying that it wasnt a woman screaming but it was oscar screaming and that he has a very high pitched scream, and the gun shots werent gun shots but the sound of the cricket bat hitting the bathroom door 
That is absolutely farcical, I actually had an open mind and thought there must be some chance he was innocent but my word if thats their defence he must be guilty as sin
That is absolutely farcical, I actually had an open mind and thought there must be some chance he was innocent but my word if thats their defence he must be guilty as sin
Why would he kill her in that fashion? If he really wanted to kill her, I'd think he would be smart enough to do it in such a fashion there was room for doubt that he killed her. I don't know... hiring some goons or something
Yeah it's not the best hatched murder plan is it. Even the best case scenario of him being found innocent would involve a very painful and embarrassing murder trial in front of the world's media in which his reputation is dragged through the mud.
I assume the accusation is that he shot her during an argument so it wasn't premeditated but I have no real knowledge or interest in the trial tbh.
http://www.asa.org.uk/News-resource...Paddy-Power-national-press-advertisement.aspx
The sad thing is that Paddy Power will probably be delighted with this as it just puts their name in the news again. Such an ad is just typical of the wankers at PP. The people who lap up their "humour" need to have a serious talk with themselves.
The problem with goons is that they have a tendency to be sloppy and/or sing if/when caught. That leaves professionals and from what I've seen on murder documentaries, at least, there aren't really many professionals out there that the average person can hire to do hits. It seems that most people end up being put in touch with undercover cops who then arrest them for trying to have someone killed.
The threat of home invasion seems great enough in SA that this could be seen as a credible defence.
If he did kill her I dont think he would have had much time to think about how best to do it, most likely a crime of passion and fine in heat of moment.
Indeed, the problem for Pistorious is that he is already seen as a bit of a loose cannon..oh er..no pun intended.
The Paddy Power thing is in terribly bad taste.
We're not talking about the outcome of a football match here, this could very well be a murderous case of extreme domestic violence ffs.
We're not talking about the outcome of a football match here, this could very well be a murderous case of extreme domestic violence ffs.
What did Paddy Power do?
Oh. Well that's not elegant, to say the least.
Its not so much that they are taking bets on the outcome...
The advert they had to advertise it said:
'Money back if he walks'...
No, I'm not joking. ..
Yeah, using "fear of blacks" is one of the best defenses he has left. Shame it's getting harder and harder to use that one.
Paddy Power have been ordered to withdraw its Oscar Pistorius offers after a record number of complaints was received about it.
Charl Johnson (the neighbour) is being cross examined again by Pistorius's lawyer. He is get a rough ride of it at the moment. Apparently he made notes about the events on March 3rd about the night, doesn't know what happened to his wife's notes she made, they are going through his notes now.
ooohhhh, shits getting real this morning. Barry Roux (Pistorius's lawyer) is accusing Johnson of fabricating incriminating notes and statements now against Pistorius.
Poor bastard is starting to crack and I don't blame him, anyone would crack under questioning like this from Roux but that is his job.
People in court seem to think Roux has done well but the (limited) bits I've seen consisted of him badgering a credible witness about minor details and being allowed by the prosecution to float hypotheticals that Johnson has been answering when he should just repeat his evidence. Finally Nel appeared to wake up to the fact that Roux's 'you couldn't hear the screams from inside the locked bathroom' presupposed Steenkamp was in the bathroom when she screamed.
Im surprised that there has not been more objections by Nel to the persistent badgering of witnesses, thats what he was at for large parts of the Johnson cross examination this morning, continually asking the same question and pouring the heat on. Nel made one objection at one point but Roux kept at it regardless.
Stipp on the stand describing her wounds and what he did to try and save her, going into great detail, harrowing stuff to listen to. He is being shown pictures of her which of course are not on the monitors in court. Pistorius sitting there crying, head in hands.
No ambulance called!?