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Ole is running this team to the ground. All for nothing as he hasn't won any trophies.
It does call into question how players like Mata and Bailly can get their deals extended when they are not trusted enough to cover for the regulars. And Ole did buy James and Amad, the latter wasn't exactly cheap. With Amad, I think Ole is doing the right thing in not rushing him, and he did quite well with Greenwood. But given the outlay and our need for players who are ready to play, it's an interesting choice (I'm all aboard the Amad love train though).
 

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It does call into question how players like Mata and Bailly can get their deals extended when they are not trusted enough to cover for the regulars. And Ole did buy James and Amad, the latter wasn't exactly cheap. With Amad, I think Ole is doing the right thing in not rushing him, and he did quite well with Greenwood. But given the outlay and our need for players who are ready to play, it's an interesting choice (I'm all aboard the Amad love train though).
There's so many questions that needs to be asked. For example why can't we defend a set piece? Time and time again we get nailed by that. Why certain players aren't rested when its evident that they need to be rested? What's the point in spending good money on players like VDB when Ole clearly does not trust him? Why do we keep giving contract extensions to players who are clearly not good enough? This criticism goes up to board level and way down to coaches.
 

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It does call into question how players like Mata and Bailly can get their deals extended when they are not trusted enough to cover for the regulars. And Ole did buy James and Amad, the latter wasn't exactly cheap. With Amad, I think Ole is doing the right thing in not rushing him, and he did quite well with Greenwood. But given the outlay and our need for players who are ready to play, it's an interesting choice (I'm all aboard the Amad love train though).
Well, Bailly was needed several times this season due to injuries or players needing rest. Mata could have been needed much more if Bruno got injured (but then he was also unavailable for a while due to family stuff, we aren't sure how long that went on).
In essence they are an insurance policy just like signing (and extending) Ighalo's loan. A player that can perform a role if our Plan A isn't available.

Squad players are extended cause it's cheaper than the total package of club/agent fee and salary if we were to buy a new player for every role.
 

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@MyOnlySolskjaer You are asking in the OP what right the medical team have to clear players?

Who would you suggest assesses whether a player is fit to play or not, the tea lady?

Either your post is incomprehensible, or you have lost you mind. Which is it?
Badly phrased, sorry for that. I wanted to know why the medical staff cleared players who were injured. Also, If there is a proper strategy to clear players and thorough assessment because we saw in Rashford's case he was playing despite carrying many injuries. That's what I meant by "what right", was more a post in frustration than logic.
 

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Badly phrased, sorry for that. I wanted to know why the medical staff cleared players who were injured. Also, If there is a proper strategy to clear players and thorough assessment because we saw in Rashford's case he was playing despite carrying many injuries. That's what I meant by "what right", was more a post in frustration than logic.
I suggest you calm down a bit before posting rant threads. Count to 10, breath deeply for 30 seconds. Why not put the kettle on and make yourself a cuppa?

Once you've clamed down a bit, you may have changed your mind about starting the thread, so it saves the rest of us from reading rants like this :)
 

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I suggest you calm down a bit before posting rant threads. Count to 10, breath deeply for 30 seconds. Why not put the kettle on and make yourself a cuppa?

Once you've clamed down a bit, you may have changed your mind about starting the thread, so it saves the rest of us from reading rants like this :)
You should check the date in the OP before going on about people having rants.
 

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United's injury troubles will become a thing of the past in about 5 years, when I become a specialist in sports medicine and get hired as the club's on site doctor :cool:
 

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Well, Bailly was needed several times this season due to injuries or players needing rest. Mata could have been needed much more if Bruno got injured (but then he was also unavailable for a while due to family stuff, we aren't sure how long that went on).
In essence they are an insurance policy just like signing (and extending) Ighalo's loan. A player that can perform a role if our Plan A isn't available.

Squad players are extended cause it's cheaper than the total package of club/agent fee and salary if we were to buy a new player for every role.
Looks at Chelsea's squad players (I won't bother mentioning City's two sets of teams). They are squad players who aren't an insurance policy. Zouma, Christensen, three very capable midfielders, Hudson-Odoi barely makes the team, nor does Abraham.

By and large I understand why a manager would want to use his best players as much as possible, but not when the injuries they are carrying seriously limit their output. At that point, having a squad and not using it is just illogical.

As some say, it's the hope that some individual brilliance can happen at some point. But that's not really a great approach and it undermines the rest of the squad.
 

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It's all about ethics and how the club will allow injured players to compete. A medical department that gives OK for a player to compete with a spine injury is utterly incompetent.
 

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I assumed most clubs pushed their best and most important players to play through pain?
With the insane amount of competitive games we`ve had since the return of football last june i`m not surprised lots of our players are injured. If we can get Sancho in we could start resting Marcus a bit more often.
 

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It's all about ethics and how the club will allow injured players to compete. A medical department that gives OK for a player to compete with a spine injury is utterly incompetent.
Utter bollox. A “spine injury” can cover a wide range of scenarios from something which wouldn’t hinder an athlete in the slightest to quadriplegia. The medical team at the club know far better than anyone else whereabouts Rashford’s injury sat on that spectrum. And judging exactly when a long term injury is fully healed, or healed enough to let a footballer play matches is a far from exact science.

Same issue applies with every medical team, at every club. Along with the issue of football fans acting as backseat specialists based on the scantiest of details about each injured player and zero medical qualifications.
 

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Utter bollox. A “spine injury” can cover a wide range of scenarios from something which wouldn’t hinder an athlete in the slightest to quadriplegia. The medical team at the club know far better than anyone else whereabouts Rashford’s injury sat on that spectrum. And judging exactly when a long term injury is fully healed, or healed enough to let a footballer play matches is a far from exact science.

Same issue applies with every medical team, at every club. Along with the issue of football fans acting as backseat specialists based on the scantiest of details about each injured player and zero medical qualifications.
I agree that there's little detail provided for one to take account. I myself competed while injured, and this includes a micro-fracture on the hip, but it was relatively safe because it was in a neutral place.
But bone fractures are easier to judge in comparison to ligaments injuries, beucause they are so small that is difficult to know when they are fully healed and ready to go.

As anote: not medical expert, just plenty of years of competition and all the injuries that comes with it.
 

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I agree that there's little detail provided for one to take account. I myself competed while injured, and this includes a micro-fracture on the hip, but it was relatively safe because it was in a neutral place.
But bone fractures are easier to judge in comparison to ligaments injuries, beucause they are so small that is difficult to know when they are fully healed and ready to go.

As anote: not medical expert, just plenty of years of competition and all the injuries that comes with it.
You’ll get my point then. It took an extremely detailed knowledge of the nature/history of your injury to decide you were able to continue playing. While someone who only knew you had a “hip fracture” would probably accuse your doctor of “utter incompetence”!
 

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Point in my original post still stands :)
But I wasn't quoting your original post, I was quoting the one where you were having a little moan about having to read rants when, if you had checked the post date, you could have saved yourself the trouble. ;)
 

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I suggest you calm down a bit before posting rant threads. Count to 10, breath deeply for 30 seconds. Why not put the kettle on and make yourself a cuppa?

Once you've clamed down a bit, you may have changed your mind about starting the thread, so it saves the rest of us from reading rants like this :)
Sure... will do.
 

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And it looks like our medical people have messed up again by not over riding Gareth Southgates decicion to include Harry Maguire in the England squad. Maguire is not properly fit and should not be allowed to go; we've seen this so many times over the years with players like Bryan Robson, Gary Neville, David Beckham and Wayne Rooney all being selected for England duty when they were clearly not fit, and of course they came home with their injuries worsened! Im a Club before Country type and though I want to see England do well, I dont want it at Uniteds expense.
 

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Thought I'd bump this thread as it appears (at least) that the England medical team's recent decisions again cause one to really wonder about the standard of our medical team and it's effect on our players' long term careers.

Rashford was being played consistently by United and when he reported for England, they deemed him unfit to play as he was carrying an injury.

Mason was deemed unfit to play by England earlier and has now been found to be carrying the same injury, so while I appreciate we don't have the same range of choices, how is United's medical team passing these boys fit for action while England is finding them unfit for action?

I might be wrong but it seems that our medical team is either shockingly bad or desperation due to lack of squad options is causing them to make shockingly bad calls.

Mods: perfectly Ok if you feel it warrants a new thread
"Euro 2020: Luke Shaw played with BROKEN RIBS in three matches" https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.amp...ke-Shaw-played-BROKEN-RIBS-three-matches.html

Still think our medical team is bad. They are all the same will clear the players that are important to them for action no matter the circumstances.
 

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Did you even read the article you linked to? He injured his ribs in the Germany match, our medical staff have nothing to do with this.
 

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Did you even read the article you linked to? He injured his ribs in the Germany match, our medical staff have nothing to do with this.
I guess you don't get the context. Our medical staff were criticized on here after Greenwood left the English camp. The argument was that our Medical staff clear our injured players for matches whilst the English medical know better and wouldn't jeopardize the players. Shaws rib injury shows that the English medical staff clear injured players for matches too.
 

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I guess you don't get the context. Our medical staff were criticized on here after Greenwood left the English camp. The argument was that our Medical staff clear our injured players for matches whilst the English medical know better and wouldn't jeopardize the players. Shaws rib injury shows that the English medical staff clear injured players for matches too.
Of course they do, they don't give a flying fiddlers feck if a player is out for months for their club as long as he can play the next 2-3 games for England.