He was in PFA team of the year twice.
Overrated Players
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The worst thing about this is how you mention "even Rooney" as if he was some low decent united striker.
The guy was responsible for one of theost successful runs this club has seen. He was an incredible player especially at his peak. He played many different roles unlike the one dimensional strikes you talk about .
Also Drogba was a beast
I'm gonna throw Mason Mount in there. Every time I see him play he runs around a lot, but doesn't actually deliver anything, yet some people talk about him as the second coming of Fat Frank. Not fit to shine Foden's boots.
This may sound blasphemous but Zlatan by the casual fans. Insanely talented and a unique player for a striker but he had some glaring weaknesses as well.
Here comes the worst opinion probably but Ronaldinhos career gets overrated. His peak was art and greatness combined but in context he didn't have all that many great years did he. Though, it's justified for the art he provided us for those few years.
Here comes the worst opinion probably but Ronaldinhos career gets overrated. His peak was art and greatness combined but in context he didn't have all that many great years did he. Though, it's justified for the art he provided us for those few years.
First you mention Zlatan and I nod. Then you mention Benzema and I'm like finally someone who realizes how crap he was for years at Madrid.
... And then you ruined it with Scholes. Completely.
It is no coincidence Scholes is synonymous with the success of Man United across two decades. Pirlo is not even in the same class as Scholes.
He was absolutely vital for us. The guy was our general, metronome whatever you may call it. So many attacks would just start with him. Shame more complex stats didn't exist back then.
Maguire... But our board.
havertz is worse imo.
N'Golo Kante, an elite ball winner with endless energy and a down to earth attitude, but nowhere near the top tier of Premier League Midfielders ever as being mentioned by some of the fans. Technically average, and definitely not a game changer.
That’s a hot take and I disagree completely. Drogba was a monster, unplayable at times.
Few people has ever said Drogba was better than Aguero, Henry or Shearer. So Drogba is right where he is at: Around top 10 premier league forward.
Drogba is combative and composed and he's a big game winner. Might be better than Kane who scored very few goals in cup finals and Spurs, England always choke in big games.
Steven Gerrard post 2006 was over-rated. Doesn't dribble in anymore. Doesn't know how to defend. Makes plenty of mistakes. Keep missing long shots. Only use penalties to jack up his goal tally. Even Henderson is a better team player than him.
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I think Havertz is a bit special, there’s something Muller-like about him in the positions he takes up.
Overrated?
I’ll return to my fave, Griezmann. Never had the pace to be a really destructive attacker, puts a shift in and could finish, but he conned Barcelona into that enormous contract by working hard in a good team system.
TAA. Has benefitted from being in the team that best use the attacking full back system, when other teams haven’t really worked out how to counter it, and has a peach of a cross and pass on him. But he can’t defend.
I’ll return to my fave, Griezmann. Never had the pace to be a really destructive attacker, puts a shift in and could finish, but he conned Barcelona into that enormous contract by working hard in a good team system.
TAA. Has benefitted from being in the team that best use the attacking full back system, when other teams haven’t really worked out how to counter it, and has a peach of a cross and pass on him. But he can’t defend.
I'd say Vieira is quite a bit overrated by long time PL fans while simultaneously being underrated by everyone else
Roy Keane is also another one who is overrated by PL fans for his ability(good at everything, truly great at nothing) but underrated by those who more properly rate his skills for his leadership and game-raising ability(the guy absolutely could and often did put his teams on his shoulders and put in inspirational, dominant performances routinely)
Cristiano is overrated - certainly a top 10 player ever, probably top 5, but he's not and never was at Messi's level, and it's only his late career CL explosion on a stacked Madrid team that basically asked him to be Gerd Muller(wildly underrated player outside Germany btw) that put him back into that conversation
Aguero - massively overrated by PL fans
David Silva - ditto
Totti - massively overrated by Italians
Hazard
Ederson
Ruben Dias
Varane
Roy Keane is also another one who is overrated by PL fans for his ability(good at everything, truly great at nothing) but underrated by those who more properly rate his skills for his leadership and game-raising ability(the guy absolutely could and often did put his teams on his shoulders and put in inspirational, dominant performances routinely)
Cristiano is overrated - certainly a top 10 player ever, probably top 5, but he's not and never was at Messi's level, and it's only his late career CL explosion on a stacked Madrid team that basically asked him to be Gerd Muller(wildly underrated player outside Germany btw) that put him back into that conversation
Aguero - massively overrated by PL fans
David Silva - ditto
Totti - massively overrated by Italians
Hazard
Ederson
Ruben Dias
Varane
Sergio Ramos.
Lampard. He had a very cosy spot in that Chelsea team where he could drift in and out of midfield and take potshots on goal from around the area. He had others doing the hard work in front and behind him and he capitalised on that. He never really excelled at anything in particular, and it's only because he scored goals as a "midfielder" that he's held in such high regard (as well as being friends with many in the media). He greatly benefitted from the players and setup he had around him, if you dropped him in any other team he would've struggled IMO. Decent player, but not one of the greatest midfielders as is often stated.
Every Ajax player.
Every English player.
But the player I think is not only overrated but don't even rate at all is Alvaro Morata.
I have yet to see this mentally weak player play a good game, yet he keeps getting transfers to top clubs and failing upwards.
Absolutely nothing he is really good at, except maybe heading and apologizing.
Every English player.
But the player I think is not only overrated but don't even rate at all is Alvaro Morata.
I have yet to see this mentally weak player play a good game, yet he keeps getting transfers to top clubs and failing upwards.
Absolutely nothing he is really good at, except maybe heading and apologizing.
Declan Rice is probably the most overrated player of all time. Genuinely blows my mind the prices quoted and that everyone seems to rate him.
Some of the names in here are mad.
But I'll go with this.
That whole Arsenal "invincibles" team.
They weren't, they just got a lot of favourable refereeing decisions.
But I'll go with this.
That whole Arsenal "invincibles" team.
They weren't, they just got a lot of favourable refereeing decisions.
Yaya Toure: Was the dominant midfielder in the EPL in an era where there weren't any great midfielders and tactically the EPL was behind the rest of Europe, quiet easily the lowest level in the EPL since the 90s. Was constantly overrun in Europe while at City. Not as good as the other great midfielders in Europe during that time.
I’ve literally never heard anyone say that about Mount apart from silly pundits who overrate all English players, and yes of course he’s fit to lace Foden’s boots. In a thread about overrated players, your post is exhibit A for Foden, who gets so wildly overrated that it’s almost unfair to the kid.
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Mmmm. Ronaldo, Suarez, Henry and Benzema I agree. The others, I think it's a floor raiser vs ceiling raiser issue. Zlatan way better at making teams better than Bati, Sheva, Villa, etc, but those guys were simply more portable on great teams. Eto'o I'm not sure. Better as a ceiling raiser, almost as good as a floor raiser maybe, which would make him the better player?
Re: TAA, i think you're getting too bogged down in him being a fullback. He's better than Robertson and has been way better for Liverpool. I do agree he's a tad overrated, and he's definitely not the first of his kind or anything - the english sure like to assume what they experience is the same as the rest of the world - Makelele role, anyone?
-John Terry. Undoubtedly a very good defender, but not in the same class as Rio/Vidic, I actually thought Carvalho was the better defender out of the 2.
His style was eye catching as he often out his body where most wouldn't but as a technical defender he's a level below the very best as but he's put in the same bracket with them constantly
His style was eye catching as he often out his body where most wouldn't but as a technical defender he's a level below the very best as but he's put in the same bracket with them constantly
Michael Carrick is massively overrated by United fanbase (not so much on the continent). I saw Carrick being put on the same level as Busquets, what is borderline crazy.
A good player in a good team, but his impact on the actual play has been massively overrated and he has some big weak points. He played simple passes and people think he was some kind of metronome. He was not, he was reliable and simply effective player in progressing the ball forward - unless pressed of course. We stayed with him too long.
A good player in a good team, but his impact on the actual play has been massively overrated and he has some big weak points. He played simple passes and people think he was some kind of metronome. He was not, he was reliable and simply effective player in progressing the ball forward - unless pressed of course. We stayed with him too long.
A bit ironic that an Arsenal fan should say this. If you’re old enough you would have seen his greatness up close and personal
Firmino isn't overrated - just burnt out and unlikely to ever be the same again.
Him winning the 2020/21 POTY over Kane was daylight robbery
Spot on.
I think everyone has a top player that they can think of that they’ve never rated as highly as everyone else, Hazard is also that for me.
Drogba???
Not a chance. Man was quality.
Not a chance. Man was quality.
Yeah! I mean who was Gerrard, Lampard, Ozil, Eriksen, Mata or David Silva anyway? Easily dominated all of them.
Don't think it's a stretch to say that Trent is the best right-back the Premier League has seen given, as you say, the league pre or post 1992 has never had a world-beater in that position. The Premier League's best right-backs before Trent are the likes of Neville, Ivanovic, Azpilicueta, Walker - all solid players but not quite Thuram/Bergomi defensively and some distance from Alves/Cafu etc going forward.
But it depends what you're looking for on the spectrum between a solid defender like Azpi or a silky wing-back like Petrescu. If we want balance, then it's hard to identify many who were great at both ends of the park (unless we include Irwin as a RB). Looking at the old credit/debit balance for creating/preventing goals, he's arguably the most in credit - for servicing his attack, minus whatever defensive shortcomings he has - than any of the other contenders.
Underwhelming for Belgium simply isn't true.
David Beckham. Good cross and free kicks but he was highly rated only because he played with Scholes, Giggs and Keane.
Am i doing it right? This is a joke thread, right?
Am i doing it right? This is a joke thread, right?
100% agree - sort of has Donny's skillset (a fair bit more character though) of well times runs into the box and his career could easily have gone the same way
I think the one guy with that kind of profile & world class potential is Reece James, who has everything on a high level (diverse skillset, physique & athleticism, football brain). To the point he can be played as RB, RWB, RCB and even occasional CM. If things go well for him, I'm convinced he'll at least rival TAA for the #1 spot, perhaps more.
Vincent Kompany.
Always injured, made several errors leading to goals that people seemed to forget. The way he used to charge out like a buffoon sometimes, reckless.
Always injured, made several errors leading to goals that people seemed to forget. The way he used to charge out like a buffoon sometimes, reckless.
Totti
What a kind of logic is that?. If he scored a 2 yard tap in but lost the ball every time he got after the goal, does that mean he still had a good game just because he scored?.
I think there are quite a few defenders in the last 10 years or so that are heavily overrated, mainly because there is such a lack of quality CBs about these days. Those that are better than the rest get quickly elevated to GOAT level conversation. It's more a reflection of how poor their contemporaries are than their ability.