What are you being, obtuse? (that's as far as I can insinuate without getting banned, unfortunately)
and you call other people obtuse
Shame I have to use the block on you, you're otherwise a good poster. Just an irritant today.
Insinuate what you want, I reacted because of your callous, stupid comment.
I think what @adexkola was trying to say is that prostitution happens everywhere regardless of circumstance, and to pretend otherwise is naive. But if it happened on a quid pro quo basis for humanitarian aid to those in harm that’s obviously a different matter.
In these situations there's often no real difference between the aid recipients and those who turn to prostitution. In some cases, the only difference will be age - the charity may have a mandate/budget to support the under 16s, but not the 16 year olds.
I think there are limited situations and circumstances where soliciting prostitutes is very sketchy (evidence of human trafficking involved, or obviously underage women).
Well I do understand what you said and why you said it now. Did you know that it is estimated that around 600 000 - 800 000 People are trafficked across borders EVERY year. Of those 80% are women and half of them underage.
Well then, I suggest you visit a brothel in some of these impoverished countries. It may change your mind.
Very good post. The majority of prostitutes in the west are also people who have been either forced or "beaten" in to prostitution aswell. Victims of abuse since childhood, sexual, mental to a point that they see no value in themselves. They cry out for help, it's a tradegy that isn't as simple as many think it is. And the ones buying their bodies continue the abuse.
That number is irrelevant against an unknown percentage of the population that engage in prostitution, both from the demand and supply side. The fact that it is an underground industry makes statistics even more murky.
Sample statistics have no bearing on a random encounter between john and prostitute.
That would be a good starting point, yes.
If this is the crux of your argument, then it is very weak. You can't tie demand for a product to illegal activities associated with sourcing that product, and use that to shame demand for said product. Imagine me using that logic to argue for outlawing drug use, or any product made in a sweatshop (no, this is not "whataboutism"). People want sex, and are willing to pay for it. In response to that demand, there will be a market of people (both women and men) that are willing to meet that demand in exchange for money. That issue is separate from the issue of human trafficking to meet that need, or underage prostitution. Both issues that must be rooted out of society. Trying to do that by clamping down on people having sex through this mechanism, is hustling backwards.
"Number is irrelevant" "Sample statistics have no bearings". You sit there, deny and even argue that buying sex doesn't contribute to theese tragedies, you Sir disguist me. People like you are a huge contributer to a global problem like this. About time I use the ignore button. I see no point reading shit from misogynists like you.
I spent my childhood years in a 3rd world country, up until college. I spend the best part of every December either going back to said place, or travelling across Africa/Asia. I am under no illusion of what prostitution is like in the developing world. It is much more open. They are present, on the street, in the bars and clubs at night... even at the beach. And they are readily patronized, by locals and foreigners alike.
Yes, because they cannot consent.
Is sexual gratification only valid within a marriage? Or relationship? An agreement between two people to exchange money for sex does not mean that either party thinks that sex is all that the other person is good for.
This screams of "white man burden". And this assumes that in the West we generally treat women better. Depends on who you ask.
Let me guess, every single woman who came back with money got slapped by her husband for not bringing back enough funds, which went straight to the local bar, so the husband could self medicate because of the horrors he had just seen? Since we're pulling narratives out of thin air.
Appalling. Desperation drives people to do abhorrent things sometimes.
they did break local laws, oxfams own legal advice said so but recommended turning a blind eye because haiti did not have the means to prosecute anyone at the time
Hopefully it's a purge then. In moments like this i can empathize with how some religious people must feel when random muslims or whatever commit shit in their name and tarnish the common reputation in general. I would like these charity organisations to be above board and moral and when leaders in them do such fecked up shit it's very frustrating.
Yes, that is the point I'm making.
A lot of jobs and things in life are last resort. I'm not sure when we decided prostitution was the last resort to detest.
No it doesn't. You said that patronizing prostitutes reinforces the idea that women are only good for sexual gratification. What you said was nonsense. One can choose to patronize a prostitute and not buy into that mindset. Conversely, I don't need to patronize a prostitute to think that women are good for nothing else.
Westerners in general have no moral superiority in 3rd world countries, and are under no obligation to go beyond respecting the laws of the country they visit (even that is nebulous depending on what laws are being broken). That includes charity workers, who are there to do a job and help and get out, not portray some image of moral superiority.
Some women are trafficked, forced and sold into prostitution. I'm not debating that. You literally just said this in your last post:
Word? You're sure that every single prostitute in Haiti was forced into prostitution by their male relatives and was forced to give the money up? If coercion and human trafficking ceased to be a thing, there would be no prostitution?
The average prostitute in Manchester is most likely not the same as the average prostitute in Mogadishu. I've just not seen a strong argument as to why buying from the one in Manchester is kosher, while doing the same in Mogadishu is abhorrent.
that's because you're wilfully ignoring the fact that it's international aid workers using their position of power over the locals, and doing so with money that is meant to be helping the locals instead of fecking them
Seems to be a placed piece of 'reportage' by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. The author isn't a journalist.
How is adex a 'huge contributor to a global problem like this? It's a fair point that you get prostitutes wherever, whatever.It’s so weird. The disclaimer “so this is all hearsay” almost as an aside, near the end.
If you see nothing wrong in buying sex that's your opinion, as long as people use and see other peoples misery as a commodity to be exploited and used, and if they continue to buy sex there will be traffickers waiting to make a buck. That mentality is a big contribution to the problem, I'll bet people in power think like him and turn a blind eye because they exploit and use young women aswell. He saw nothing wrong in exploiting the unfortunate while I did.
You sir are a drama queen!
Especially given she's describing an atmosphere as much as anything, without having experienced it.
I don't use prostitutes personally, but each to their own, with the obvious exceptions.
It's the second one, particularly when you look at what happens on "drug roads". Rape, forced prostitution and other activities gravitate around drug cartels and its money.
it would be worse if you were using charity money to fly to columbia and snort cocaine than, say, doing it in your own house with your own wages
Did they actually divert funds to pay prostitutes though or was that that they just used the rented property? There is a significant difference.
