It's hilarious in this thread people jumping in with "but but its not racist..........it's actually just xenophobic" like its somehow better or somehow ok.
Park Ji-Sung asks United fans to stop singing his chant
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Geebs, Geebs wherever you maybe
No racist poster's going to mess with me
They'd be better off being Scouse
Or crate training pups like @Solius
I can never get my head around people's refusal to listen to the 'victim' for want of a better word.
It's more like if you heard a chant about how all English people have bad teeth or how everybody from Glasgow has a smack habit.
I bet we'd have an onion about that...
Ah ok I hadn’t read that…but of course if he is personally offended we should stop
Never liked the chant, particularly as it says nothing positive about the player. It just uses a negative stereotype to take a shot at scousers. We can do better.
I don't think the "it's factual, they really do eat dogs" argument stops it from being offensive, as it is implicitly negative in the song, suggesting it is bad, but then there is something worse. There are many chants in football where the subject of the chant is factual, but they're still not acceptable. Munich, Hillsborough, etc. It would set a dangerous precedent if we allowed chants because they're 'true'.
You'd think the player himself requesting that we put the chant to bed would be the end of it.
I don't think the "it's factual, they really do eat dogs" argument stops it from being offensive, as it is implicitly negative in the song, suggesting it is bad, but then there is something worse. There are many chants in football where the subject of the chant is factual, but they're still not acceptable. Munich, Hillsborough, etc. It would set a dangerous precedent if we allowed chants because they're 'true'.
You'd think the player himself requesting that we put the chant to bed would be the end of it.
I don’t think the ‘you’ is referring to him personally. Perhaps though that does make it a race issue, although it would be difficult to fit in ‘a small minority of generally poorer people….’ Into the verse. It’s more a statement of fact than a suggestion that he personally eats dog….at least that’s my interpretation.
Ive no issue with not singing it anyway, it’s offensive in any case, he doesn’t like it and better players than him stopped being sang about years ago.
I'd hope that most people would realise there is a major difference between mocking the dead and mocking what someone eats - not on the same level at all
It was sung on Saturday.
I don't think there is any malice from the fans. Just a chant of endearment towards Ji Sung. However, if he requests the fans stop we should respect his wishes.
PS: Could the word dogs be changed to something more edible?
I don't think there is any malice from the fans. Just a chant of endearment towards Ji Sung. However, if he requests the fans stop we should respect his wishes.
PS: Could the word dogs be changed to something more edible?
Kimchi
Park Park wherever you may be,
Still got that 3rd lung, in your biology?
But it could be worse, you could be Jones
Drilling holes in your old knee bones
Still got that 3rd lung, in your biology?
But it could be worse, you could be Jones
Drilling holes in your old knee bones
Just BBQ?
Park, Park, wherever you may be
You barbecue in your home country
Could be worse, could be scouse
Roasting a rat in the council house
This is the second time I have heard him ask. Hope the fans listen this time.
They're not on the same level. But the fact that it's true doesn't always make a chant acceptable is the point. In this case, it's still not really acceptable to use a negative stereotype of an entire country, despite it still being true. It's a bit more deep rooted than just 'mocking what someone eats'.
Park requesting for it to stop should really be the end of it.
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Pidgey, I liked you man
I do. Regularly.
It should stop but it’s not even the most offensive part of the song.
Huh? He wasn't yelling at you, he was just explaining the issue to you so that you'd understand.
Sounds like you may be being wilfully ignorant and diminishing anything that doesn't agree with your viewpoint.
I don't think it's a racist chant. It's just an uncomfortable truth about a long held tradition in Korean cuisine. Though outside of a Eurocentric bubble, there's not really anything worse about it than eating any other kind of meat. On the flip side, I'm sure there are Koreans who don't want to let go of practice. It doesn't hurt anyone any more than other meat industries. And it's something their ancestors have done for generations as a part of their culture.
But fair enough if Park wants United fans to stop. No point honouring a player if it ends up upsetting him.
But fair enough if Park wants United fans to stop. No point honouring a player if it ends up upsetting him.
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That’s probably down to the type of player you appreciate. Which is fine.
It's the dude from Alien.
Ripley is not a dude.
I'm only joking. I'd literally sell my gran for a haggis pie.Pidgey, I liked you man
Unfortunately that’s not why it was sung though Sults. Correct me if I’m wrong but you don’t hear it that often these days unless we are playing a scouse team.
I don't think the reason the chant still gets a run out has anything to do with Park. The fans sang it on the weekend because Everton were the away team.
Park was a good honest player but he was nothing special. Nobody is going to invent a new chant for him because if his existing chant wasn't mocking the scousers nobody would ever sing it.
There it is
Only banning it because being known as the country who eats dogs can't be great for bringing in the westerner tourism money.
Good man
I love haggis, neeps and tatties for dinner.There’s what?
Compounded by the fact it’s your own player you’re insulting and in Park case a cult figure who helped us to win trophies. Utter lack of respect.
don't think this is true
there are elections coming up and the majority of Koreans support a ban
Love me some free range, grass fed dog.
None of that vegan shit thanks
Washed down with Irn Bru?Good man
I've already suggested replacing eat dogs with drink frogs, Sults.
I watched a reporter in Korea talking to some young Koreans who said they they do eat dog meat which surprised me as I thought it was only Yulin, but the chant is distasteful regardless. It is more stereotyping
We should chenge it to:
Park, Park, wherever you may be,
you're the best in your country,
it could be worse
you could be Son
playing for that nearly club
Park, Park, wherever you may be,
you're the best in your country,
it could be worse
you could be Son
playing for that nearly club
If it's a normal night aye! On Burns Night, absolutely with a dram
He can shoot, run, and tackle
Puts Pirlo in a pickle
Our Korean nuclear sub
Park Ji Sung
Puts Pirlo in a pickle
Our Korean nuclear sub
Park Ji Sung