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Left footed CB? Sven Botman is our guy. Tall, strong aerially and on the ground, good passing range, fast. He’s got the lot. A bit on the younger side at 21, but he’s impressive.
If only it wasn’t such a poor team like Arsenal to make an assessment
Arsenal banter will never get oldIf only it wasn’t such a poor team like Arsenal to make an assessment
Peter Dinklage is better aerially than LindelhofIs he quicker, bigger and better aerially then Lindelof?
About the same for speed and aerial ability. He's better on the ball than Lindelof, though.Is he quicker, bigger and better aerially then Lindelof?
Then not a player I wantAbout the same for speed and aerial ability. He's better on the ball than Lindelof, though.
I noticed on fbref today, Torres actually play more passes while under pressure than both Maguire and Lindelof. Is that imteresting? I think so, players like VvD, Stones tend to play a lot of passes while under pressure (you could say they absorb the pressure) while someone like Smalling avoid it. Torres makes 30 % more passes than Lindelof while under pressure.I would say the press on the CBs is higher in the PL, and more difficult to hit meaningful long balls. Then of course the team strategy.
Peter Dinklage is better aerially than Lindelhof
Going strictly by Pau Torres' game film, he does appear to be slightly taller and better than Lindelöf in the air (though in a league that is not as physically challenging as the Premier League on a consistent basis); but that begs the question: would minor incremental gain justify a sizable investment in a market that will be hampered by the COVID-related fallout, and might there be more fit-for-purpose left-footed centerbacks out there (if that is a serious consideration for Solskjær, that is)? For example, someone like Botman possesses a lot of characteristics that are desired by Premier League clubs, and has given a good account of himself at Lille (who boast the best goals conceded per match record in the Top 5 leagues while inexplicably sitting atop the Ligue 1 standings ahead of Paris Saint-Germain), and as such, represents a viable alternative to Torres (at least in theory)...Even if Pau Torres is similar to Lindelof - is he better in the air than him even if its only by 5%?
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/c...-tactical-analysis-tactics-lille-scout-reportLast but not least, another major element of Botman’s game is his ability in the air. He has won 5.8 aerial duels per 90 this term in Ligue 1, more than all but three other centre-backs, and he’s got an aerial duel success percentage of 71.43% in France’s top-flight this season. Botman’s imposing size undoubtedly plays a significant role in his impressive aerial ability, with the centre-back towering over the majority of opposition players and obtaining more strength than the majority of players. As well as being bigger and stronger than most opposition players, the Dutchman is well aware of how to use his size and physicality when entering into aerial duels.
No, he is not. Not if you go by the statistics a lot in here rely heavily on, aerial duels won, aerial duels lost and percentage of aerial duels won. But that might be too simplistic.Even if Pau Torres is similar to Lindelof - is he better in the air than him even if its only by 5%?
That's a nice post.Going strictly by Torres' game film, he does appear to be taller and slightly better than Lindelöf in the air (though in a league that is not as physically challenging as the Premier League); but that begs the question: would minor incremental gain justify a sizable investment, and might there be more fit-for-purpose left-footed centerbacks out there (if that is a serious consideration for Solskjær, that is)? For example, someone like Botman possesses a lot of desired characteristics, and has given a good account of himself at Lille (who boast the best goals conceded per match record in the Top 5 leagues while inexplicably sitting atop the Ligue 1 standings ahead of Paris Saint-Germain), and as such, represents a viable alternative to Torres (at least in theory)...
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/c...-tactical-analysis-tactics-lille-scout-report
Mind you, Botman isn't a perfect prospect either, particularly for a team that has Maguire — looks the part as an exceptionally imposing figure, resolute in the tackling department (particularly against center-forwards who rely on brute force) and competent on the ball in terms of progression plays (albeit lacking the flamboyance and precision of Torres)...but not the most agile and consequently has some frailties against dribbling artists that are currently favored by the metagame (which indicates that he might be sub-optimal for schemes where he is routinely isolated vs. nifty opposition forwards).
I wonder if the best time to judge him is the internationals coming up.No, he is not. Not if you go by the statistics a lot in here rely heavily on, aerial duels won, aerial duels lost and percentage of aerial duels won. But that might be too simplistic.
Villarreal conced very few goals from corners (2, only Alaves and Getafe have conceded fewer). Furthermore, Villarreal, as a team, win very few aerial duels. Among the fewest in the league. But they also lose very few aerial duels.
Pau Torres is probably their most dominant aerial player (you could argue Foyth, but he barely has minutes). So why is that if Pau Torres is so poor in the air and he is their best defender in the air?
I think it is safe to say that it is a bit more complex than just looking at stats. Team effort is obviously a big part of it. It seems safe to say that Pau Torres numbers are «deflated» due to the team he plays for. It also appear evident that Villarreal dont really struggle much defending corners.
It would be interesting to see how many of the goals Villarreal conceded were due to a lost aerial duel.
Yes that’s interesting since it is a league with less pressure imo.I noticed on fbref today, Torres actually play more passes while under pressure than both Maguire and Lindelof. Is that imteresting? I think so, players like VvD, Stones tend to play a lot of passes while under pressure (you could say they absorb the pressure) while someone like Smalling avoid it. Torres makes 30 % more passes than Lindelof while under pressure.
Peter Dinklage is better aerially than Lindelhof
Torres wins 60.7 % of his aerial duels compared to Lindelof's 63.5 %. Torres improved from 47.4 % though.Even if Pau Torres is similar to Lindelof - is he better in the air than him even if its only by 5%?
How quick is Varane?I can't see the sense in considering any CB who isn't genuinely fast. I don't really care how good he is at anything else, it should be a simple red line before starting to weigh up other qualities.
I have not watched him this season but he used to be absolutely rapid. Hard to find anyone faster.How quick is Varane?
Yeah you might well have a point thereSince we have no left footed centre backs it might be prudent to buy a couple over the next few years. Maybe Torres this summer and Botman next?
I would imagine we will sign one, but those sound like starting players. They dont need to be. Torres at least will expect to be starting with the amount of money it would take to sign himSince we have no left footed centre backs it might be prudent to buy a couple over the next few years. Maybe Torres this summer and Botman next?
If he was moving slower in these clips than he is, people would question his pace. Its fine nothing to shout aboutPeople still saying he's not quick? He's rapid for a defender.
Personally I want a starter to partner Maguire rather than someone to rotate with Bailly/Lindelof/AxelI would imagine we will sign one, but those sound like starting players. They dont need to be. Torres at least will expect to be starting with the amount of money it would take to sign him
He looked quick every game I've watched him. Especially for Spain. He man marked Sane for a bit.If he was moving slower in these clips than he is, people would question his pace. Its fine nothing to shout about
Botman would be interesting too, Torres edges it for me.Personally I want a starter to partner Maguire rather than someone to rotate with Bailly/Lindelof/Axel
I certainly didnt watch that game. But in the ones I have I can never remember him matching a speedy player going at full speed or anything like that. Can you find clips where he is?He looked quick every game I've watched him. Especially for Spain. He man marked Sane for a bit.
Lazy reading but reminds me of Lindelof. Would prefer a more dynamic and imposing CB. Maguire himself has little mobility.If he was moving slower in these clips than he is, people would question his pace. Its fine nothing to shout about
Yeah, if Maguire wanted to play as the RCB he already would be, plus Lindelof played as LCB for Benfica and for us when he partnered Smalling so that wouldn't be an issue.What I don't get is why are we prioritising a Left footed CB when Maguire prefers the left side?
Perhaps maybe this is purely down to the fact he's more comfortable on that side compared to Lindelof and Bailly, but it seems odd to move his position in the back 4.
Even for England and Leicester he seems more comfortable on the left side.
What I don't get is why are we prioritising a Left footed CB when Maguire prefers the left side?
Perhaps maybe this is purely down to the fact he's more comfortable on that side compared to Lindelof and Bailly, but it seems odd to move his position in the back 4.
Even for England and Leicester he seems more comfortable on the left side.
As far as I'm aware the main reason for having a left footed LCB and a right footed RCB is how it changes how you can play from the when the CBs split in possession. So if we were to sign someone like Torres whose primary strength seems to be ability on the ball anyway, I would imagine that's the driving benefit they have in mind.Yeah, if Maguire wanted to play as the RCB he already would be, plus Lindelof played as LCB for Benfica and for us when he partnered Smalling so that wouldn't be an issue.
I am not sure Maguire will be as effective from the right, specifically his running with the ball. Just like you have inverted wingers, i think Harry prefers that left sideAs far as I'm aware the main reason for having a left footed LCB and a right footed RCB is how it changes how you can play from the when the CBs split in possession. So if we were to sign someone like Torres whose primary strength seems to be ability on the ball anyway, I would imagine that's the driving benefit they have in mind.
As Izec said I'm not sure that that would benefit Maguire, he likes to drive inwards and his main long pass is the crossfield, plus I don't think playing out from the back is as big of an issue for us as lack of pace to cover the ball in behind when we push higher up is.As far as I'm aware the main reason for having a left footed LCB and a right footed RCB is how it changes how you can play from the when the CBs split in possession. So if we were to sign someone like Torres whose primary strength seems to be ability on the ball anyway, I would imagine that's the driving benefit they have in mind.