Pogba is lazy. He gives away cheap pens and free kicks. He can't mark a player. He loses concentration all the time.
That’s the player we are selling bud.
Exactly! Who? I'd love to see one of our youngsters get a crack. Hannibal for me has so much ability without having the physical power of Pogba.
Grealish is 100m and neves 35m and you’re celebrating an article saying we’d sell Pogba for 45m. So that’s a net of 90m for a midfield I think is completely unworkable and unbalanced. Grealish and Bruno are absolute shite defensively - both incapable of winning duels - and Neves is as mobile as a sloth so good luck to him trying to cover them.
Van de Beek has never been the player to control possession or set the tempto. His passing stats at Ajax were mediocre at best.
Firstly Pogba did a fairly incompetent job while he was it. I’ll never forget certain moments that are still glued in my head where he cost us at key moments by not tracking back or excessively fouling players and that’s just the tip of the iceberg with him. Hence him doing that job with or without a fuss is not even the issue. He should never be doing that job to begin with.You are sure just means you don’t know. You can’t assume something with confidence. Pogba does a job for us there without no fuss. Grealish does not have the personality to do a job he is very much a maverick and requires that role within a team.
4-3-3 works if Jack has the license to do what he wants. That job is for Bruno. It doesn’t not work. We would need to be a Saul Niguez to improve our current midfield make up. Not Grealish as I think he would cause a bigger problem that what Pogba causes.
I find it funny people say the balance is messed up but want to replace Pogba with Grealish. Makes me think people deep down are scared about the quality we will be losing.
I'd say they all bar Goretzka.
Kimmich is there DM and not quite sure how you are trying to explain to me how we improve on McFred by brining in a player to do what Pogba already bloody offers. That doesn’t not improve us. We need either someone who can get there foot on the ball and play whilst also screening the back four.
I’m more worried about us not losing the ball and keeping possession more than fighting other kinds of battles in the midfield. Currently we lose the ball way too frequently and Neves seems to have a calm head on him. I can even see him being a good fit next to Fred in a midfield 2 if we’re playing 4-2-3-1.
I wasn't implying you said that.
Then you aren't watching. Pogba is their entire creative force from deep.
I think if Pogba goes, we may go back in for Grealish. We just might. (Fingers crossed
)Maybe yes, maybe not. Who cares. We're not changing the whole team setup to accommodate Pogba, especially as it has been proven over time he's not essential to team success. Which is what I care about more than Pogba well being and playing in favorite position beside perfect partner, whoever that is this week.
You mean those guys who were ahead of Pogba in the pecking order last season?
Yeh and possibly Camavinga if he's dead set on running down his contract to go to Real.
Grealish does not play CM. What are you talking about. Tell me a game when he played CM and played well? He hasn’t done it since the Championship.
I'd hope mate but by all reports we have no intention of replacing him.I think if Pogba goes, we may go back in for Grealish. We just might. (Fingers crossed
KDB in the PL has been a far better player. I think we tend to be in denial because he plays for City. He runs at a defence far better and more consistently than Pogba which is why he's consistently in the PL teams of the season over the last few years.
Did you see him against Wolves and his last season at Ajax?
Thing is, you could make that argument about Cavani or Ibrahimivic. I bet both of those have earned more by serially taking one year contracts as a free agent than if they’d signed a longer contract with one club. I doubt that if Pogba signed a 3 year contract now he’d be short of hugely lucrative offers on a year by year basis from aged 31 - 36.
We can try to include players in a deal for Grealish. I had suggested Lingard as one. As for Neves, 35m is exactly the reason why I’d even want to go for him as that’s probably the most funds we’ll have left if we do hypothetically sign Grealish.
I have exactly the same feeling. Just take last France game as an example, Pogba was very good attacking wise, but their midfield looked leaky as hell. Same problems as for United, but France looks superior in 9/10 games so Pogba looks like world beater as well.
Selling Pogba and using the funds to replace one of Fred / McTominay is an excellent move though.
I don’t believe he’s good enough for this level. He might be better than McTominay “might” but his ball possession isn’t going to help us getting overran when he’s mobility comes into questions as his passing ain’t that good to be press resistant.
IMO he does all these brilliant moments for us too.
You never watch Bayern. Kimmich is not a DM. He is an all rounder midfielder. Both Kimmich and Goretzka interchange position/role when they play. Another good example is Bayern 19/20 when Kimmich was moved as right back due to Pavard's injury, Thiago and Goretzka played in their midfield and they won the Treble. What's next, Thiago is a DM too?
So now you are telling that we need someone who can offer both in attack and defense. Is that not what I said an all rounder midfielder who can offer both in attack and defense? Pogba is being restricted because his best role is occupied by Bruno, better get someone who is more all rounder who doesn't need freedom.
You’re taking my words too literally. My apologies if I’m making Grealish sound like something he’s not but I can certainly see him playing on the left of a midfield 3 in quite a few games. His driving runs usually start in the midfield so it’s definitely possible. He will also play a few games on left wing obviously whenever someone else needs a rest.
Well obviously we’ll have to play him wisely and probably not in every game but atleast he’ll provide something different to McFred whenever needed.
Not all DM's are the same. Getting a 'DM' who is also a very good passer and partnering them with Fred (or maybe McTominay) should be an obvious improvement over the McFred combo we used most of last season, especially in the bigger games. It will also be an improvement over either of them partnered with Pogba.
Yeah I’m aware mate. Obviously just daydreaming myself
True to an extent.
Again hopefully but I don't think VDB can be a number 8 in the Prem.Yeah I’m aware mate. Obviously just daydreaming myself
Worst case scenario, at least we have DvB who may come alive this season and end up being a great buy.
What’s his attributes? You say all round midfielder but what is he best at? (Kimmich)
Well if we are going to do that let’s get a best in class like a Tielemans. Neves can’t even get a game for his country. Bruno got dropped and they went for 34 years old Moutinho.
Yeah I guess this will be a final and solid test for him to prove himself.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. In theory we'd want the DM to be providing most of that, while Fred plays more the Kante/Gattuso style of harrier and destroyer. We may still be able to improve on him further in 12 months time, but in the meantime we 'should' have a better midfield than the McFred combo that mostly got us to 2nd last season or any of the inconsistent midfields we've had with Pogba.
