Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

Volumiza said:
I don't see any of those being a more exciting project.
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Truthfully I think we have the best “project” going forward. This team is on the cusp of great things. The only club I would say that are as exciting a project as us right now is Chelsea.
 
Cloud7 said:
Pogba extension is as big a move as the Varane and Ronaldo transfers. So happy to see this.

The next step is that we start bombarding all of Casemiro’s social media accounts telling him come to United next season.
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Doesn't he have a ridiculous release clause like 500 million or summat?
 
Cloud7 said:
Truthfully I think we have the best “project” going forward. This team is on the cusp of great things. The only club I would say that are as exciting a project as us right now is Chelsea.
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I agree. Our signings and recruitment strategy this summer have been top drawer, better than we could have hoped. There are winners everywhere and Saturday, even though we maybe didn't perform amazingly, showed how far we've come. When this team clicks and gets used to each other we should be well feared. Exciting as a fan so that should definitely feel exciting to the players.
 
Tom Cato said:
Ok I'll stop being a jerk.

I have to go to lunch, but the very short answer is that while Manchester United have certainly been affected by the Corona pandemic, the Deloitte reports say that Manchester United sits with a wage bill of around 56% (up from 50%).

The cost of a player is amortized over the entire contract length and is budgeted depending on structure of payment (common payment terms for large transfers is 3-5 years). But if we assume that West Ham says "Ok 4 years is fine" The clubs budget will look something like this (summarized) signing fee, annual salary, <other related player costs> (year 1) (year 2) (year 3) - All equal as default unless there is a reason to budget differently. The transfer fee is agreed on as 80m paid in 4 installments of 20m over 4 years.

So the Cost of the player for year 1 is: Transfer feee + all related costs. Not 80m

The point to knowing if the club can afford a player is to look at EBIDTA. The club also has to comply with FFP. Manchester United currently has a wage budget of 56% according to the most recent Deloitte report, with the EPL clubs having to offset £500m collectively permanently from the previous fiscal year due to broadcast reimbursement.

Manchester Uniteds budget is enormous. And all players within the club are being paid by qualification within the wage structure. The wage structure is carefully budgeted and has a lot of safety margin before it risk being uncompliamt with FFP, currently we are nowhere near. A player like Phil Jones who earns £75k weekly is one of the lowest paid first team players in the club.

Martials contract is est valued at £13m a year. That accounts for about 1.63% of the 2019 fiscal income, but 2.07% of 2020. The Covid pandemic is affecting the clubs operating budgets and safety limits. Signing a new player like Declan Rice at a similar contract for 80m (just an example number) is a risk/reward calculation that the club (Glazer family) was not willing to take. There is still uncertainty around Covid and potential fallout.

Players like Juan Mata and Edison Cavani are leaving the club next year and taking big salaries with them. They do not pose any great deterrent to taking on a new contract. Juan Matas contract is reduced to £100k (down from £160k).

A player like Cristiano Ronaldo has already paid for himself through commercially licensed football jerseys before his home debut, with the club taking in an reported £13.1m in licensed shirt sales, hereby offsetting his transfer fee. Other expected income such as further mechandise sales and commercial opportunities will pay for the players salary and more, plus the potential of going deep in the CL.

A CDM, while absolutely a necessity, is a higher risk investment. Ronaldo is essentially a bank, while Declan Rice, talented as he may be, offers the investment safety of a house with a unlocked door. The frame is there but no one knows how he will actually impact the team to an absolute certainty.

Personally I believe that the team both could, and should have invested in a CDM, but I can respect that many factors come on, primarily uncertainty around revenue stream. The club took out a loan last year to ensure stability, and while that loan is not a problem, they don't want to sit with a greater short term expense than budgeted, no one likes surprises.

The club is also finally reported to be undertaking massive renovations of Old Trafford and the surrounding grounds, that money also comes from the clubs own coffers unless they plan to take up more financing loans.

The larger point I'm trying to make is that you can think of a big name signing as 2% (rounded up for simplicity) of the clubs operating budget for the next 5 years. A club like Manchester United prefers to sit at 50%, but Covid impacted everything. If they however want to, they absolutely can go out and make solid investments. The only hurdle is: Cash at hand, Cash flow, and willingness to take on more risk%.

Squad players in Manchester United to make a lot of money, but in the larger structure, they are reasonably paid compared to their teammates, which is the only comparable metric we can look at when judging what a player should be paid.
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This is where I depart from your reasoning.

The fact that Pogba is paid at a level appropriate to his talent is not a reason Andreas Pereira should be on 50k a week.

Salaries at United should not be self-referential. I doubt Rhian Brewster's compensation was comparable to Mo Salah's, that's probably why Liverpool found it easy to shift him. By comparison, because we overvalue and overpay, United end up hawking players around for years until they either give them away e.g., Rojo or virtually give them away e.g., Darmian.

Market value should dictate what players are paid at United. Were I FD at United, I would say to any player telling me they want a bigger contract cos Rashford's on big money: 'Okay show me your 21 goals last season then.' Do we really think the likes of Brandon Williams would not sign a new deal at United if they were offered less money than they are on? No chance. If any squad player at United is convinced they can get better terms elsewhere then, by all means, they should try and report back how it goes.

On the subject of Pogba, his market value is extremely high. Given not only his footballing talent but also his commercial value, given his popularity with particular target demographics for advertisers. I would not have any issue with him being paid very, very large amounts of money.

But its gotta be Zidanes and Pavons. It cannot be Pavons paid like Zidanes. That's just throwing good money after bad.
 
JPRouve said:
Our net spend being lower doesn't translate to not having holes. As far as I know Pereira isn't on a big wage and you are not replacing Lingard or Martial cheaply, if you consider the fact that they both signed extensions as starters. So we have two issues, you judge things without taking into account context and you jump to conclusions that are not actually obvious.
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For United ofcourse it isn't a huge wage, for let's say a club at Ajax, he'd be one of the better paid players which doesnt make sense for the clubs of his calibre I'd say. I quite like him btw.

With Lingard and Martial, I think it was reasonably poor planning and maybe the lack of a technical director or DOF, Lingard should never have been a long-term starter for the level we wanted to grow to. As for Martial, fair enough, it was difficult to envision he'd fall back by this much but both neither speak of the magnitude if their pay rises. Some would say a starter at United should earn this, others may look at what a player of his calibre typically earns.

I think it's fair to say if we were able to sell players for a significant amount, we could have done more incoming business as well, which a lot of journo's were reporting as well. But could well be all false and baseless assumptions.

roonster09 said:
If we get exact numbers then yes. At this point only factual information we get is total wages spent by the club, which is reported by the club.
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Personally, I'll do my due diligence to look at situations at the ones you mentioned, but I do think there are decent approximations of contracts out there in order to converse with other fans. Tom seems to agree seeing that he quotes some of them, and I must admit he's done more research than I've done.

Tom Cato said:
Ok I'll stop being a jerk.

I have to go to lunch, but the very short answer is that while Manchester United have certainly been affected by the Corona pandemic, the Deloitte reports say that Manchester United sits with a wage bill of around 56% (up from 50%).

The cost of a player is amortized over the entire contract length and is budgeted depending on structure of payment (common payment terms for large transfers is 3-5 years). But if we assume that West Ham says "Ok 4 years is fine" The clubs budget will look something like this (summarized) signing fee, annual salary, <other related player costs> (year 1) (year 2) (year 3) - All equal as default unless there is a reason to budget differently. The transfer fee is agreed on as 80m paid in 4 installments of 20m over 4 years.

So the Cost of the player for year 1 is: Transfer feee + all related costs. Not 80m

The point to knowing if the club can afford a player is to look at EBIDTA. The club also has to comply with FFP. Manchester United currently has a wage budget of 56% according to the most recent Deloitte report, with the EPL clubs having to offset £500m collectively permanently from the previous fiscal year due to broadcast reimbursement.

Manchester Uniteds budget is enormous. And all players within the club are being paid by qualification within the wage structure. The wage structure is carefully budgeted and has a lot of safety margin before it risk being uncompliamt with FFP, currently we are nowhere near. A player like Phil Jones who earns £75k weekly is one of the lowest paid first team players in the club.

Martials contract is est valued at £13m a year. That accounts for about 1.63% of the 2019 fiscal income, but 2.07% of 2020. The Covid pandemic is affecting the clubs operating budgets and safety limits. Signing a new player like Declan Rice at a similar contract for 80m (just an example number) is a risk/reward calculation that the club (Glazer family) was not willing to take. There is still uncertainty around Covid and potential fallout.

Players like Juan Mata and Edison Cavani are leaving the club next year and taking big salaries with them. They do not pose any great deterrent to taking on a new contract. Juan Matas contract is reduced to £100k (down from £160k).

A player like Cristiano Ronaldo has already paid for himself through commercially licensed football jerseys before his home debut, with the club taking in an reported £13.1m in licensed shirt sales, hereby offsetting his transfer fee. Other expected income such as further mechandise sales and commercial opportunities will pay for the players salary and more, plus the potential of going deep in the CL.

A CDM, while absolutely a necessity, is a higher risk investment. Ronaldo is essentially a bank, while Declan Rice, talented as he may be, offers the investment safety of a house with a unlocked door. The frame is there but no one knows how he will actually impact the team to an absolute certainty.

Personally I believe that the team both could, and should have invested in a CDM, but I can respect that many factors come on, primarily uncertainty around revenue stream. The club took out a loan last year to ensure stability, and while that loan is not a problem, they don't want to sit with a greater short term expense than budgeted, no one likes surprises.

The club is also finally reported to be undertaking massive renovations of Old Trafford and the surrounding grounds, that money also comes from the clubs own coffers unless they plan to take up more financing loans.

The larger point I'm trying to make is that you can think of a big name signing as 2% (rounded up for simplicity) of the clubs operating budget for the next 5 years. A club like Manchester United prefers to sit at 50%, but Covid impacted everything. If they however want to, they absolutely can go out and make solid investments. The only hurdle is: Cash at hand, Cash flow, and willingness to take on more risk%.

Squad players in Manchester United to make a lot of money, but in the larger structure, they are reasonably paid compared to their teammates, which is the only comparable metric we can look at when judging what a player should be paid.
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Thanks for the post, very insightful and thanks for the effort you put in. If you missed your lunch break you deserve another one.

I do think though there are huge gulfs in quality and status amongst players in the 1st team, the salary differences with the top earners and squad players are reasonable though I doubt any other club would pay Jones, Mata those fee's.

I think Covid has indeed had a clear impact and it's terrific the club is still able to strengthen the team, do work on and around Old Trafford.

I don't think the club can't afford these wages, however we go on to extend some of the contracts of these players that (to me) barely add value (in games, as they barely play or aren't good enough). Jones has been struggling with injuries for years, nor was his level great, why give him a bigger contract than any other club would and now you're stuck. Mata barely plays, has been old and downhill for years, we actually have lots of players in his position as well now, young players with plenty potential, resale value, who would be on lower wages, that's 10m per season on players that.. yeah.

The keeper situation as well.

I have a feeling when we add these things together, the club could save some money (whilst we arent in a bad situation at all), and that could contribute towards players that add more value.

But possibly that's wrong and I don't mind being corrected at all.

Covid probably has made it more difficult for clubs that would buy these players. However we have never really done great with selling players, which is partially also because we aren't a selling club anyway. But we can still look at some of the business Chelsea, Liverpool, Real get up to.
 
"Many factors to consider but now a genuine chance that once talks resume an extension may follow"

I seriously don't understand why this is any news? Few weeks ago it was "just details", now we hear "there's a chance an extension may follow"?

What I read is there's no ongoing talk about a new contract so yeah, the saga continues.
 
Volumiza said:
I don't see any of those being a more exciting project.
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Yes but we’re 4 games in and riding high off Ronaldo’s return. It’s easy as fans to get carried away - will Pogba think the same at Christmas when he can start talking to clubs? A lot will likely depend on if we’ve managed to stay top/close to the top of the league. Ole might have won every single game 4-0 until then, he might also have been fired…so much can change in football.
 
I'll believe it when it actually comes to fruition though. There seems to have been numerous reports of "he's going to re-sign now" over the last couple of years. His agent and brothers seem to have been quiet for a while, perhaps that is a good sign.
 
#07 said:
This is where I depart from your reasoning.

The fact that Pogba is paid at a level appropriate to his talent is not a reason Andreas Pereira should be on 50k a week.

Salaries at United should not be self-referential. I doubt Rhian Brewster's compensation was comparable to Mo Salah's, that's probably why Liverpool found it easy to shift him. By comparison, because we overvalue and overpay, United end up hawking players around for years until they either give them away e.g., Rojo or virtually give them away e.g., Darmian.

Market value should dictate what players are paid at United. Were I FD at United, I would say to any player telling me they want a bigger contract cos Rashford's on big money: 'Okay show me your 21 goals last season then.' Do we really think the likes of Brandon Williams would not sign a new deal at United if they were offered less money than they are on? No chance. If any squad player at United is convinced they can get better terms elsewhere then, by all means, they should try and report back how it goes.

On the subject of Pogba, his market value is extremely high. Given not only his footballing talent but also his commercial value, given his popularity with particular target demographics for advertisers. I would not have any issue with him being paid very, very large amounts of money.

But its gotta be Zidanes and Pavons. It cannot be Pavons paid like Zidanes. That's just throwing good money after bad.
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I think this is where I stand concerning the budget discussion, and there are many who stand at the other side of it.

I think there are many clubs like Bayern, Real who do it this way. Real does give quite big contracts to star signings however.
 
What if we have a bad result against West Ham next week, will he change his mind again? I'll celebrate when it's signed.
 
Salt Bailly said:
Premier League assist record is surely there for the taking.
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Even though I'd love for him to continue with the assists, I think it's a purple patch. In the system we play where he plays from a deeper position, I think his assists won't be as many. The 1st match was an anomaly with 4 assists. I think he will get a lot of "2nd assists" a bit like Scholes, David Silva used to get. Once we establish some rhythm I think the majority of our assists will come from Sancho and Bruno. (Hope I'm wrong as I have PP in my FF team!)
 
AjaxCunian said:
I think this is where I stand concerning the budget discussion, and there are many who stand at the other side of it.

I think there are many clubs like Bayern, Real who do it this way. Real does give quite big contracts to star signings however.
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As they should.

IMO nobody should be that bothered by star players making massive money. Players like Ronaldo, Pogba, Bruno, can legitimately argue that, in a sport where eyeballs equal advertising potential, as people want to watch them they should get bigger slices of the pie.

What makes no sense is paying players big money, relative to other top flight players of similar ability/standing, just because some of their teammates are global stars.

Pogba probably should be getting £300-400k a week. Maybe even more?

But there are many players in our squad that I can name that should be getting less. And I reckon those players a) know that and b) wouldn't mind. I am fairly certain that none of our fringe players have been banging down Ed Woodward's door demanding a payrise cos Cristiano Ronaldo getting huge money. Nobody knows better than the players themselves how much value a genuine icon like Ronaldo, or top talents like Pogba and Bruno, bring. And nobody knows better than the players themselves that they aren't bringing the same level of value to the team as the creme de la creme.
 
Tom Cato said:
I guarantee Agent Bruno is pushing for this as well, the two appear to have become very good friends. Then again so is probably the rest of the team, just look at what they did when they conviced Cavani to extend for a year.
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Looking from the outside, I actually think the whole team probably loves Pogba. He comes across as a very likeable guy who you would want to be around and be a top laugh.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Yes but we’re 4 games in and riding high off Ronaldo’s return. It’s easy as fans to get carried away - will Pogba think the same at Christmas when he can start talking to clubs? A lot will likely depend on if we’ve managed to stay top/close to the top of the league. Ole might have won every single game 4-0 until then, he might also have been fired…so much can change in football.
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If he can't stay and get behind this project then I'll revert to my original position on him ... he can go and we'll get someone in who is invested. I'm yet to be converted into a Pogba fan but can see his value if he's invested so after watching him on Saturday, playing so well in the CM position many thinks he can't play, I'd like him to sign a new contract because so far this season, he's really showed us what he can do.
 
Cloud7 said:
When does his contract expire? 500 mill can easily become 50 mill after someone sends him a photo of Bruno and Pogba, and he walks into Perez’ office
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Dunno, sure he only recently signed though. I could be very wrong though.

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Signed recently till 2025. €1b release clause :wenger:
 
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Volumiza said:
If he can't stay and get behind this project then I'll revert to my original position on him ... he can go and we'll get someone in who is invested. I'm yet to be converted into a Pogba fan but can see his value if he's invested so after watching him on Saturday, playing so well in the CM position many thinks he can't play, I'd like him to sign a new contract because so far this season, he's really showed us what he can do.
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I'm kind of the same although I'll reserve judgement until after I see him there versus some stronger teams.
 
Chief123 said:
Looking from the outside, I actually think the whole team probably loves Pogba. He comes across as a very likeable guy who you would want to be around and be a top laugh.
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Yeah that's what I've always read, that he's loved by his teammates and a hugely popular figure at the club.

I genuinely think that what's happening now is repairing the damage Jose did to Pogbas feelings for the club, the struggles he's had with injuries and the feeling of the club being a building piece rather thant he finished product.

Playing in a team with Varane, Ronaldo, Sanco, Greenwood, Rashford, Bruno, Shaw etc etc is probably very different to playing in a team that gave a massively struggling Lingard and Andreas Pereira premiere gametime for months at end.

The only way the feelgood around Manchester United can improve from the current state is if we win a tite. If he doesn't want to sign now, he never will. Let's see what happens.

I hope he stays.
 
#07 said:
This is where I depart from your reasoning.

The fact that Pogba is paid at a level appropriate to his talent is not a reason Andreas Pereira should be on 50k a week.

Salaries at United should not be self-referential. I doubt Rhian Brewster's compensation was comparable to Mo Salah's, that's probably why Liverpool found it easy to shift him. By comparison, because we overvalue and overpay, United end up hawking players around for years until they either give them away e.g., Rojo or virtually give them away e.g., Darmian.

Market value should dictate what players are paid at United. Were I FD at United, I would say to any player telling me they want a bigger contract cos Rashford's on big money: 'Okay show me your 21 goals last season then.' Do we really think the likes of Brandon Williams would not sign a new deal at United if they were offered less money than they are on? No chance. If any squad player at United is convinced they can get better terms elsewhere then, by all means, they should try and report back how it goes.

On the subject of Pogba, his market value is extremely high. Given not only his footballing talent but also his commercial value, given his popularity with particular target demographics for advertisers. I would not have any issue with him being paid very, very large amounts of money.

But its gotta be Zidanes and Pavons. It cannot be Pavons paid like Zidanes. That's just throwing good money after bad.
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As a general idea I agree with you but there is something strange here. If we assume that Pereira is on a 50k contract then he is on a below average wage in the PL, which is what you would expect for a below average player in the PL.
 
I'm not sure why he would sign an extension so early in the season. If I was him, I would wait until at least January to see how the team is progressing and what other offers are out there. This will likely be his last big contract so I can understand him wanting to be sure he gets to spend it somewhere that will give him trophies.
 
The positives for Pogba far outweigh the negatives moving forward, we are likely just 2 quality additions away from genuinely competing for the major trophies and it feels like Utd are now getting their act together and moving in the right direction.

On the whole, there is plenty to be positive about where Utd are heading just now and a vibrant, resurgent Manchester United, is surely a massive attraction for any player, including Paul Pogba.
 
kps88 said:
I'm not sure why he would sign an extension so early in the season. If I was him, I would wait until at least January to see how the team is progressing and what other offers are out there. This will likely be his last big contract so I can understand him wanting to be sure he gets to spend it somewhere that will give him trophies.
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He could also be thinking that the team is in a good form, it's promising and he is playing and fit. Sometimes an injury can ruin things and next thing you know, Man Utd won't give him this deal or another less interesting one.
 
kouroux said:
He could also be thinking that the team is in a good form, it's promising and he is playing and fit. Sometimes an injury can ruin things and next thing you know, Man Utd won't give him this deal or another less interesting one.
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That's true. A potential injury is a good point.
 
Tom Cato said:
Ok I'll stop being a jerk.

I have to go to lunch, but the very short answer is that while Manchester United have certainly been affected by the Corona pandemic, the Deloitte reports say that Manchester United sits with a wage bill of around 56% (up from 50%).

The cost of a player is amortized over the entire contract length and is budgeted depending on structure of payment (common payment terms for large transfers is 3-5 years). But if we assume that West Ham says "Ok 4 years is fine" The clubs budget will look something like this (summarized) signing fee, annual salary, <other related player costs> (year 1) (year 2) (year 3) - All equal as default unless there is a reason to budget differently. The transfer fee is agreed on as 80m paid in 4 installments of 20m over 4 years.

So the Cost of the player for year 1 is: Transfer feee + all related costs. Not 80m

The point to knowing if the club can afford a player is to look at EBIDTA. The club also has to comply with FFP. Manchester United currently has a wage budget of 56% according to the most recent Deloitte report, with the EPL clubs having to offset £500m collectively permanently from the previous fiscal year due to broadcast reimbursement.

Manchester Uniteds budget is enormous. And all players within the club are being paid by qualification within the wage structure. The wage structure is carefully budgeted and has a lot of safety margin before it risk being uncompliamt with FFP, currently we are nowhere near. A player like Phil Jones who earns £75k weekly is one of the lowest paid first team players in the club.

Martials contract is est valued at £13m a year. That accounts for about 1.63% of the 2019 fiscal income, but 2.07% of 2020. The Covid pandemic is affecting the clubs operating budgets and safety limits. Signing a new player like Declan Rice at a similar contract for 80m (just an example number) is a risk/reward calculation that the club (Glazer family) was not willing to take. There is still uncertainty around Covid and potential fallout.

Players like Juan Mata and Edison Cavani are leaving the club next year and taking big salaries with them. They do not pose any great deterrent to taking on a new contract. Juan Matas contract is reduced to £100k (down from £160k).

A player like Cristiano Ronaldo has already paid for himself through commercially licensed football jerseys before his home debut, with the club taking in an reported £13.1m in licensed shirt sales, hereby offsetting his transfer fee. Other expected income such as further mechandise sales and commercial opportunities will pay for the players salary and more, plus the potential of going deep in the CL.

A CDM, while absolutely a necessity, is a higher risk investment. Ronaldo is essentially a bank, while Declan Rice, talented as he may be, offers the investment safety of a house with a unlocked door. The frame is there but no one knows how he will actually impact the team to an absolute certainty.

Personally I believe that the team both could, and should have invested in a CDM, but I can respect that many factors come on, primarily uncertainty around revenue stream. The club took out a loan last year to ensure stability, and while that loan is not a problem, they don't want to sit with a greater short term expense than budgeted, no one likes surprises.

The club is also finally reported to be undertaking massive renovations of Old Trafford and the surrounding grounds, that money also comes from the clubs own coffers unless they plan to take up more financing loans.

The larger point I'm trying to make is that you can think of a big name signing as 2% (rounded up for simplicity) of the clubs operating budget for the next 5 years. A club like Manchester United prefers to sit at 50%, but Covid impacted everything. If they however want to, they absolutely can go out and make solid investments. The only hurdle is: Cash at hand, Cash flow, and willingness to take on more risk%.

Squad players in Manchester United to make a lot of money, but in the larger structure, they are reasonably paid compared to their teammates, which is the only comparable metric we can look at when judging what a player should be paid.
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Just as well you didn't post the long answer, you'd have missed dinner too. :lol:
 
This will be perfect if it happens. He's exactly the sort of player we need to be keeping a hold of.
 
He's been involved in a lot of goals lately. Could see an extension being signed if there's not much on offer elsewhere, like 2-3 years with a clause possibly.

PSG seem like the hot ticket though with all the additions made, would understand if he joins them to pick a up CL. Not sure to put any stock in this Marseille PSG "rivalry" Sounds like City Arsenal or something?
 
Brilliant news. Get it sorted ! We are the final destination for top players and it’s about time we highlight that again.
 
kouroux said:
He could also be thinking that the team is in a good form, it's promising and he is playing and fit. Sometimes an injury can ruin things and next thing you know, Man Utd won't give him this deal or another less interesting one.
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I think Pogba wants to play for a team that is potential CL and title winners. I suspect he's happy with our signings(especially the Ronaldo effect) and can see things changing, he recommended Tchouaméni a few days ago, which lead me believe he (Pogba) may sign on. I see no reason why he wouldn't want to stay.
 
Spoony said:
I think Pogba wants to play for a team that is potential CL and title winners. I suspect he's happy with our signings(especially the Ronaldo effect) and can see things changing, he recommended Tchouaméni a few days ago, which lead me believe he (Pogba) may sign on. I see no reason why he wouldn't want to stay.
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I do think that the teammates change a lot of things. But regarding Pogba I think that someone like Bruno changes a lot of things, he seems fiery and friendly which I assume matches well with Pogba, the additions of players like Ronaldo and Varane is also great because he respects them, Pogba will be the one saying to everyone that Varane is the leader of the french side, he seems to respect his authority. I wouldn't be surprised if Pogba is happy to not be the bigger fish.
 
I think at this point if anyone doesn’t want him to stay, they can be put in the same bracket as Souness. It will be a huge positive if he signs a new deal.

With the strength in the squad, it makes sense as well. I don’t think any of us would have been happy if we were him, playing in some of the previous teams. Having better players around you allows you to play better, especially if you’re a creative force and attacking reinforcements have been brought in.

Get him tied down and carry on with a few great signings in the next couple of windows and things are looking really good. Quality attracts quality. It’s for this reason that I’m optimistic on the Haaland front too— Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo will be hugely appealing to him, especially the chance to play with, learn from and replace Ronaldo.
 
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kouroux said:
He could also be thinking that the team is in a good form, it's promising and he is playing and fit. Sometimes an injury can ruin things and next thing you know, Man Utd won't give him this deal or another less interesting one.
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kps88 said:
That's true. A potential injury is a good point.
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Yep, a big injury at this point in his career could be catastrophic for him on a personal level. Being 28, it becomes even higher risk and must play on his mind in games at times as well. Players are getting good deals by running down their contracts but it is a very high risk strategy on a personal level. The older a player gets, the less they tend to run down their contracts simply for the sake of stability.
 
Hopefully he signs soon. Superb player & vital to our very good start to the season.
 
I always guessed it would be the case. He'll wait a while yet. If we are still in later stages of Champions League and challenging for a title come early next year, he'll sign.

Any chance of Haaland transfer also requires a good season from us.
 
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