Peaches and a GOAT Draft

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All-time drafts are great but they can become GOATfests and therefore somewhat dull. So in this draft you will have a budget so you will probably end up with many peaches of a player but only one GOAT.




Draft Rules
  • The draft is All-Time so any players are eligible, however any players born on or before 31st December 1939 must come with a link to a full game in which they appeared. Otherwise the pick will be invalid and the next drafter can pick immediately. You can then post a valid pick asap.*
  • Snake-Style: The teams will be put in a random order then the first on the list gets first pick going down to 16 but then drafter 16 gets two picks then drafter 15 picks working back up the snake until we've finished all the squads.
  • Initial squads will be formed of 14 players
  • The only limitation is that you cannot spend more than 670m on your initial 14 man squad.
  • No changing of picks.
  • You have 8 hours to pick with deadlines beginning 1800 BST Saturday 28th July.
  • In the case of a draw the drafter with the lowest average pick time will win
* This is so players like Di Stefano and Matthews are eligible but those without a single full game available are not. This is because the discussions about such players become tedious especially since you could have lots of really new players against a team of serious oldies. This should make the discussion more balanced than it otherwise would. Also putting a date cut off prevents you having to link a game with Neymar in.


Sites for finding full length old games

https://www.dailymotion.com/
https://www.youtube.com/
https://footballia.net/


Drafting Award

Following the initial drafting a vote will be taken to determine who wins the Best Drafter Award. Each manager will rank the top three squads that he think were drafted the best (excluding his own). Three points will be assigned to 1st place, two points for 2nd place and one point for 3rd place. These will be sent to a neutral who will then reveal the results.

Player Prices

These prices are final. It took ages to come up with these. The idea was to value them according to their pull in drafts, not necessarily how we rate them. Many players you may disagree with the prices but they shouldn't be wildly off the value you have in your mind.

Any player not listed will cost 15m. If you think a player is missing off the list and should be worth more 40m or more please post it on the thread and I will add them (please don't keep it to your self for an advantage, please play in the spirit of the draft). The players are split into Keepers, Defenders, Midfielders and Forwards for ease of finding a player's price, obviously a few players could be put into different lists.

Buffon 80
Yashin 80
Maier 70
Schmeichel 70
Banks 60
Dasayev 60
Neuer 60
Zoff 60
Beara 50
Chilavert 50
De Gea 50
Fillol 50
Kahn 50
Mazurkiewicz 50
Planicka 50
Shilton 50
Van der Sar 50
Southall 40
Jennings 40
Carrizo 40
Pfaff 40
Cech 40
Zenga 40
Ravelli 35
Schumacher 35
Zamora 35
I. Viktor 35
Pagliuca 30
Gilmar 30
Hellstrom 30
Grosics 30
Zeman 30
Courtois 30
Preud'homme 30
Toldo 30
Casillas 30
Croy 30
Seaman 25
Roma 25
Tomaszewski 25
Van Breukelen 25
Kopke 25
Rudakov 25
Taffarel 25
Peruzzi 25
Julio Cesar 25
Arconada 20
Baia 20
Clemence 20
Goram 20
Illgner 20
Iribar 20
Maspoli 20
H. Tilkowski 20
Zubizaretta 20

Beckenbauer 170
Baresi 150
Maldini 130
Figueroa 130
Nesta 115
Scirea 115
Moore 110
Thuram 110
Facchetti 110
Cafu 110
Nilton 105
Carlos Alberto 105
Brehme 100
Zanetti 100
Kohler 100
Djalma 95
Roberto Carlos 95
Krol 95
Passarella 90
Cannavaro 80
Bergomi 80
Cabrini 80
Cannavaro 80
Ferdinand 80
Lahm 80
Vogts 80
Amoros 75
Forster 75
McGrath 75
Nasazzi 75
Dani Alves 70
Santamaria 70
Stam 70
Chumpitaz 65
Ruggeri 60
Schnellinger 60
Tresor 60
Vidic 55
Da Guia 50
Vierchowod 50
Bossis 50
Burgnich 50
Da Guia 50
Ferrara 50
Gentile 50
Gerets 50
Godin 50
Lizarazu 50
Schwarzenbeck 50
Vierchowod 50
Junior 45
Irwin 45
Cole 45
Vasovic 45
Blanc 45
Danny Mcgrain - 45
Zebec 40
Billy Wright 40
Bezsonov 40
Sergio Ramos 40
Camacho 40
Demyanenko 40
Briegel 40
Campbell 40
Shesternyov 40
Costacurta 40
Hierro 40
Hansen 40
Marzolini 40
Kaltz 40
Olsen 35
S.Reuter 35
T.Adams 35
Ferri 30
Lucio 30
Maicon 30
Montero 30
Perfumo 30
Picchi 30
Puyol 30
Koeman 30
S. Jardine 30
Willy Schulz 25
W. Zmuda 25
Popescu 25
Leandro 25
Buchwald 20
Thiago Silva 20
Chiellini 20
Alaba 20
Alba 20
Aldair 20
Angloma 20
Ayala 20
Danny Blind 20
Branco 20
Des Walker 20
E.Hughes 20
Evra 20
F.De Boer 20
Fernando Couto 20
G.Neville 20
Panucci 20
D. Petrescu 20
Phil Neal 20
J.Popluhar 20
Sagnol 20
Sergi 20
Stuart Pearce 20
Suurbier 20
Tassotti 20
Terry 20
Walter Samuel 20
Candela 20
Zambrotta 20
Ze Roberto 20
Fernando Couto 20
C. Gamarra 20
Jarni 20
Jorginho 20
Luis Pereira 20
Matthaus 170
Platini 160
Rijkaard 160
Zico 150
Falcao 120
Zidane 120
Neeskens 120
Charlton 115
Laudrup 100
Didi 100
Xavi 100
Desailly 95
Breitner 90
Davids 90
Iniesta 90
Nedved 90
Redondo 90
Robson 90
Sammer 90
Varela 90
Edwards 85
Keane 85
Bozsik 80
Figo 80
Luis Suarez Miramontes 80
Masopust 80
Rivelino 80
Schweinsteiger 80
Tardelli 80
Tigana 80
Netzer 75
Van Hanegem 75
Modric 70
Monti 70
Rivera 70
S. Mazzola 70
Socrates 70
Souness 70
Coluna 65
Pirlo 65
Scholes 65
Schuster 65
Vieira 65
Voronin 65
Conti 60
Gerson 60
Ocwirk 60
Overath 60
Pirri 60
V.Mazzola 60
Xabi Alonso 60
Beckham 55
J.L.Andrade 55
Netto 55
Stielike 55
V.R.Andrade 55
Veron 55
Zito 55
Blanchflower 50
Bonhof 50
Busquets 50
Cerezo 50
Hagi 50
Makelele 50
Stiles 50
Stojkovic 50
Vidal 50
Kante 45
Gerrard 45
Ceulemans 45
Liedholm 45
Deschamps 45
Seedorf 45
Luis Enrique 40
Dunga 40
Ballack 40
Effenberg 40
Lerby 40
Essien 40
Hanappi 40
Clodoaldo 40
Boban 35
Brady 35
Deco 35
Rui Costa 35
Schiaffino 35
Viktor 35
Ademir Da Guia 30
Kroos 30
Ardiles 30
Bochini 30
Bremner 30
Cueto 30
Deyna 30
Donadoni 30
Gascoigne 30
Gren 30
Lampard 30
Michel 30
Rattin 30
Ribery 30
Antognoni 20
R. Benetti 20
Bonev 20
Cambiasso 20
Causio 20
Cocu 20
Fabregas 20
Gattuso 20
Giresse 20
Guardiola 20
Ince 20
Mendieta 20
Pires 20
Prosinecki 20
Riquelme 20
Simeone 20
Valderrama 20
Yaya 20
Pele 200
Maradona 200
Messi 190
Ronaldo 190
Cristiano 180
Cruyff 180
Di Stefano 180
G. Muller 170
Garrincha 160
Van Basten 160
Best 160
Romario 160
Puskas 160
Eusebio 150
Ronaldinho 120
Gullit 115
Rummenigge 105
Dzajic 105
R.Baggio 100
Gento 90
Henry 90
Jairzinho 90
Kocsis 90
Meazza 90
Stoichkov 90
Batistuta 85
Riva 80
Kubala 80
Blokhin 80
Hamrin 80
Law 80
Matthews 80
Rivaldo 80
Seeler 80
Boniek 75
Czibor 75
Moreno 75
Cubillas 70
Greaves 70
Nordahl 70
Robben 70
Shevchenko 70
Eto'o 65
Spencer 65
Villa 65
Charles 60
Elkjaer 60
Finney 60
Fontaine 60
Giggs 60
Johnstone 60
Kempes 60
Kopa 60
Leonidas 60
Neymar 60
Suarez 60
Totti 60
Vieri 60
Zizinho 60
Del Piero 55
Kaka 55
Van Nistelrooy 55
Weah 55
Sarosi 50
Tostao 50
Crespo 50
Hagi 50
Hidegkuti 50
Hugo Sanchez 50
Keegan 50
Lato 50
Littbarski 50
Pedernera 50
Rensenbrink 50
Savicevic 50
Sivori 50
Ademir Marques De Menezes 40
Rossi 40
Ibrahimovic 40
Shearer 40
Rush 40
Erico 40
Cantona 40
Bergkamp 40
Dalglish 40
Sindelar 40
Rooney 40
Ghiggia 40
Keizer 40
Amancio 40
Raul 40
Corbatta 40
Francescoli 40
Barnes 35
Griezmann 35
Albert 30
B.Laudrup 30
Butragueno 30
Dean 30
Joya 30
Julinho 30
Klinsmann 30
Labruna 30
Overmars 30
Rep 30
Simonsen 30
Zagallo 30
Lubanski 25
Aguero 20
Boniperti 20
Careca 20
Corso 20
Drogba 20
Forlan 20
Jair 20
Lewandowski 20
Lineker 20
Litmanen 20
Owen 20
Papin 20
Piola 20
Suker 20
T.Muller 20
Van Persie 20

Match Rules

After the draft starts all games must be played within a week so the draft should take no longer than 4 weeks. If you submit a team sheet but can't engage in the match thread the game will go on anyway. In the case of nothing being provided and you don't show, you will forfeit the game. In the case of an emergency I'm sure a fellow drafter or neutral may be able to argue for you and provide a team from your squad. Just post on this main thread and ask for help.

There shall be no subs during the game, but tactical changes are permitted.

In the event of a draw whoever has the lowest average pick time for his squad will win. (In the event of equal pick times a coin toss will take place). When picks are made please post a picture of the player and the pick time in minutes calculated as the time between your tag and pick. Any picks from someone else as a result of a PM will always be recorded as a 10 min pick time.

Drafters placed 1 and 16 will have their pick time divided by their number of picks where a double picks count as one pick.

Tactics for the OP will be limited to 2500 characters to be used how the managers see fit (it may make sense then to link to player profiles in the main draft thread). If it's any longer the match starter should just cut off the OP at 2500 characters. Please spoiler gifs as it will be quicker to load and not use as much data on mobile.

NB. In the case of having a single manager vs a duo (or anything other than single vs single) they will agree before hand who they're happy to have contribute during the game. Whatever they decide goes.

Reinforcements

The total increase in budget will be 60m for the QF, 70m for the SF and 80m for the final. So your budget for the QF will be 730m, for the SF it will be 800m and for the Final it will be 880m. You can also sell players.

You can sell two players and draft one in a single turn and then draft the second player (with no sales) on your second turn. Essentially player sales are a free action. This should allow a better use of the budget.

e.g First turn - sell van Hanagem 75 and Stielike 55. So reinforcement budget is now 75+55+60 (the extra fund per reinforcement round) = 190. So you would have 190 to spend on two players. You must however draft two players to make your squad equal 14 by the end of the round.

Obviously you could just sell one player per pick round too (maybe because you want to see what others are up to) but it should give some more flexibility.

For the reinforcements for the QF and SF you can have a maximum pick of two players but only one for the final.

Players drafted from defeated managers are available as are previously undrafted players. Also players sold by drafters in the reinforcement round will be available for drafting but only in subsequent reinforcement rounds. For example, if I sell Godin in the QF reinforcement round no other drafter can pick him in that round of drafting, however he would be available to draft in the reinforcements for the SF.

Reinforcements will be a reverse snake for QF, original snake for SF and reverse snake for the Final.

You must always have a minimum of 14 players in your squad at all time.

Draft Order

  1. @Theon
  2. @idmanager
  3. @Skizzo
  4. @MJJ
  5. @harms
  6. @oneniltothearsenal
  7. @Tuppet
  8. @Enigma_87
  9. @2mufc0
  10. @Moby
  11. @Ecstatic
  12. @Pat_Mustard
  13. @Physio
  14. @P-Nut0712
  15. @Šjor Bepo
  16. @Indnyc
 
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Physiocrat

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Everyone please confirm if you can still play.

Please can a neutral offer to do the drafting order and take the votes for the drafting award?

Drafters:

1. oneniltothearsenal
2. P-Nut
3. Idmanager
4. Physio
5. Indnyc
6. Tuppet
7. Moby
8. Sjor/Jim Beam
9. Enigma/joga
10. 2mufc0
11. MJJ
12. Theon
13. Pat Mustard
14. Ecstatic
15. Skizzo
16. harms
 

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Nice, will take some time planning
 

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In and the list seems pretty good to me and a fairly accurate reflection of the players values.
 

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Nope, they're definitively eligible. What made you think that was the case? I can amend the OP to clear up any confusion.
I read it badly. Now I use the search function, so I don't skip any player. Edited.

Also, Puyol a bit underrated here.
 

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@Physiocrat is there a reason for 14 picks? In the last draft a lot of people gave up after the 12th pick. I think after the 11th pick most people will pick 10m bench fodder which may not really add to the draft. Just something to consider
 

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Telmo Zarra was born in 1921 but should be
here probably. Anyone can find a full match of him? Maybe form the 1950 world cup.
 

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@Physiocrat is there a reason for 14 picks? In the last draft a lot of people gave up after the 12th pick. I think after the 11th pick most people will pick 10m bench fodder which may not really add to the draft. Just something to consider
Second that
 

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A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
In. Great work on the list, but am I right in saying that the likes of Moreno, Pedernera and Meazza who are included can't actually be picked unless someone unearths a video of a full match they played in?

If you think a player is missing off the list and should be worth more than 10m please post it on the thread and I will add them (please don't keep it to your self for an advantage, please play in the spirit of the draft).
Also, surely I can't be the only one scouring the list for omissions and contemplating whether or not to keep them to myself for an advantage :nervous:. Only found one brilliant midfielder missing so far. I bet @Šjor Bepo will guess who I'm talking about, and will agree he should be priced at around 300m.
 

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Also, surely I can't be the only one scouring the list for omissions and contemplating whether or not to keep them to myself for an advantage :nervous:. Only found one brilliant midfielder missing so far. I bet @Šjor Bepo will guess who I'm talking about, and will agree he should be priced at around 300m.
Rabona? :D
 

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@Physiocrat is there a reason for 14 picks? In the last draft a lot of people gave up after the 12th pick. I think after the 11th pick most people will pick 10m bench fodder which may not really add to the draft. Just something to consider
Considering the budgets I am already considering several 10m players for my starting line-up so I don't think 10m players here will be fodder. Rather different tactical options.
 

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Some serious steals in those prices I reckon, Terry and Ballack for starters.
 

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Yeah no need in 14 picks with budgets / restrictions. Ends up being a bore with people picking players they will never ever use.
 

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why are people naming undervalued players? shut up and hope nobody picks them:lol:
 

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I think we should add Diego Forlan to the list as well.
 

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Everyone please confirm if you can still play.

Please can a neutral offer to do the drafting order and take the votes for the drafting award?

Drafters:

1. oneniltothearsenal
2. P-Nut
3. Idmanager
4. Physio
5. Indnyc
6. Tuppet
7. Moby
8. Sjor/Jim Beam
9. Enigma/joga
10. 2mufc0
11. MJJ
12. Theon
13. Pat Mustard
14. Ecstatic
15. Skizzo
16. harms
yes
 

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Yeah no need in 14 picks with budgets / restrictions. Ends up being a bore with people picking players they will never ever use.

These Impossible (to finish) Draft matches have gone on forever - literally longer than the World Cup. Let's prolong the draft phase and limit the match phase as much as possible for the next one to maximize fun for everyone.
 

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I think we should add Diego Forlan to the list as well.
Not sure, considering players/strikers listed at 20, the likes of Forlan and other very good, but not great players who are on the border should be off the list. It also gives some sense in finding and picking similar players after the 11th round or even before.

Zito, even Kroos, probably should be imo. Basically, any player whose value most people would automatically put above 20 million.
 

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Not sure, considering players/strikers listed at 20, the likes of Forlan and other very good, but not great players who are on the border should be off the list. It also gives some sense in finding and picking similar players after the 11th round or even before.

Zito, even Kroos, probably should be imo. Basically, any player whose value most people would automatically put above 20 million.
Kroos is a jack of all trades so it hurts his tactical value to voters
 

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In. Great work on the list, but am I right in saying that the likes of Moreno, Pedernera and Meazza who are included can't actually be picked unless someone unearths a video of a full match they played in?
Correct. It is to level the playing field in this all-time draft without blocking players like Matthews and Di Stefano for whom we have decent footage.
 

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Kroos is a jack of all trades so it hurts his tactical value to voters
Fair enough. I value him pretty high in the current crop of players, so just saying. Not high as Modric, but somewhere in 30 - 40 million range.

Don't have any problems with him not getting on the list, though. Au contraire as Del Boy would say.
 

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Yeah no need in 14 picks with budgets / restrictions. Ends up being a bore with people picking players they will never ever use.
Possibly, we'll see how it pans out. Onenil reckons he'll have some 10m players in his starting XI. Also since it is essentially unrestricted all-time draft with average pick times deciding in draws it the last three picks should be pretty quick.

How do people think picks by PM should be recorded? I have it as a standard 30mins at the moment. Anyone any thoughts on this?