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Interesting admirable football talents, but not his opinions nor his evaluation of players.
Seriously Romario is like one of the coolest players ever. And also in my opinion underrated.By being better at all of the other stuff? Pressing, moving off the ball, like Pele said, being two-footed, heading, etc.
Pele is definitely talking a load of crap here though, he's usually joking when he gets asked these questions and the media takes it out of context but here it's just nonsense.
'Pelé is a poet when he shuts his mouth. As a player, he's our King, our God, but he has to put a shoe in his mouth.' - Romário
Pelé didn't play against Hungary. The Bulgarians and then - once he returned to the team - the Portuguese basically kicked him off the pitch.Pele would be great no matter what era he played in. My dad took me to see Brazil play at Goodison Park in 1966 and, although Pele was roughly handled by Portuguese defenders (and Hungarian defenders too), he still stood out. He reached his peak in that 1970 side that, for me, is the greatest ever assembled on the international stage. His heading was amazing; he almost seemed to hover and defy gravity when he jumped. His close control was incredible and he packed a hell of a shot in both feet.
He is pretty much spot on about Messi In my book. Messi is like a master of one small group of moves and has become so good at them next to nobody can stop the said moves. But there are still just a few moves regardless.
The state of those defenses though. What are they doing?
Haven't seen much of Pele really, too young. Seems pretty handy though.
The defending is not even non league level. A bunch of farmers.
Haven't seen much of Pele really, too young. Seems pretty handy though.
Based on this video, I would say that both Messi and Maradona have better close control than Pele.
Haven't seen much of Pele really, too young. Seems pretty handy though.
Elders vs younguns initSo we can't he respect theirs instead of constantly downplaying their achievements/skill?
The only reason for that is you being a Real Madrid supporter.I think it came out from Pele in a derogatory or insulting manner, but I think he's not wrong, that's one of the reasons I regard CR7 as the GOAT and slightly better than messi.
Vision, dribbling and passing range is not everything.
And as you can see, people easily remember and always use his header against United and his right footed goal against Bayern...but they don't remember others, plus, the stats speak for themselves: 23 goals with head, over 70 goals with right foot...for someone who has more than 600 career goals that is a very poor and one dimensional stat which actually reflects the kind of player he is, that's why he'll also find it hard to adapt to a new team/playstyle.
So, in a nutshell, Pele is right, but his statement didn't come out the right way
Ronaldo is not better than Messi.I think it came out from Pele in a derogatory or insulting manner, but I think he's not wrong, that's one of the reasons I regard CR7 as the GOAT and slightly better than messi.
Vision, dribbling and passing range is not everything.
And as you can see, people easily remember and always use his header against United and his right footed goal against Bayern...but they don't remember others, plus, the stats speak for themselves: 23 goals with head, over 70 goals with right foot...for someone who has more than 600 career goals that is a very poor and one dimensional stat which actually reflects the kind of player he is, that's why he'll also find it hard to adapt to a new team/playstyle.
So, in a nutshell, Pele is right, but his statement didn't come out the right way
Messi would easily skip away from defenders with horrible timing of tackles and shite positioning. It’s easier to evade a lunge than a properly timed tackle.Comparing defenders between generations of often difficult, comparing players playing 40/50 years apart is impossible imo.
One one hand, you have defenders hacking Pele like he was a piece of meat. On the other, you see the amount of space and wonder if they are professional players.
What you think, but I genuinely think Ronaldo is slightly better...anyway, who am I to argue, itsijust your opinion and I respect itThe only reason for that is you being a Real Madrid supporter.
I mean, any objectivity goes right out of the window.
I honestly have no idea how can anyone value a heading game to such a monumental extent, or being two footed, many average players are two footed, Andy Carroll is a fantastic header of the ball, Messi is pretty short, that’s just genetics.
We’re talking about one of the greatest goal scorers of all time, and someone who was playing with a peak Xavi and there was no definite answer on who was the best passer in the team.
True. But the main reason you see so many lunges is because the punishment for hitting the player was non-existent. And if you injured him, all the better. The automatic red card you'd get today for such challenges is a major reason why the two great attackers of this generation have been able to play 60-70 games a season for over a decade. One of the beauties of Pele was being able to withstand that kind of treatment and still play every week for 15 years.Messi would easily skip away from defenders with horrible timing of tackles and shite positioning. It’s easier to evade a lunge than a properly timed tackle.
actually, his (latest) opinion on Messi vs Ronaldo is the opposite of that. he said Ron is great goalscorer but to him, Messi is just better. he was asked about that in februrary I think. he'll probably think different in january though.He's just saying that Ronaldo is better than Messi because he's a better all-round footballer because those are his metrics. Other see Messi doing certain things better than anyone has ever done them and rate them higher than Ronaldo's abilities or his for that matter. It's just a continuation of the Ronaldo vs Messi debate without anything new added to it.
A Messi fan calling someone else insecure. Jesus H Christ.Their insecurity shows how high they rate
A Messi fan calling someone else insecure. Jesus H Christ.
You are a fan of overrated people.I think it came out from Pele in a derogatory or insulting manner, but I think he's not wrong, that's one of the reasons I regard CR7 as the GOAT and slightly better than messi.
Vision, dribbling and passing range is not everything.
And as you can see, people easily remember and always use his header against United and his right footed goal against Bayern...but they don't remember others, plus, the stats speak for themselves: 23 goals with head, over 70 goals with right foot...for someone who has more than 600 career goals that is a very poor and one dimensional stat which actually reflects the kind of player he is, that's why he'll also find it hard to adapt to a new team/playstyle.
So, in a nutshell, Pele is right, but his statement didn't come out the right way
What has the one thing even to do with the other?A Messi fan calling someone else insecure. Jesus H Christ.
My mistake. The memory is a bit wonky after 52 years. I know that he scored Brazil's first goal but I could have sworn it was against Hungary. Oh well. Better get a check up.Pelé didn't play against Hungary. The Bulgarians and then - once he returned to the team - the Portuguese basically kicked him off the pitch.
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on youtube I tend to get lost watching Americans reacting to Messi vids. As neutrals to the sport they are in shock how someone can be so above their peersMessi doesn't need to score with his right foot or head, he has this magnificent left leg that can't be stopped.
The level he plays at is simply out of this world and there's nobody even close to him. He plays against the best teams&defenses and makes them look average. The consistency and numbers he puts up is also unreal.
I loathe Barcelona, but Lionel Messi is the best player i've ever seen and since the game gets tougher every year, i really think he is the greatest ever. I could watch his highlights to no end.
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I liked "Victor Moses without Cornrows."@ "Pele is closer to Giroud than he's to Messi and Ronaldo."
Come on, man!
Who’s better between Maradona and Messi I can’t say. However Maradona had all the attributes you list but a major part of his game was his personality and charisma. He’s was like a Muhammad Ali of football. The guy was fecking electric. Hes definitely top 5, wether better than messi I can’t say.I'd put Pele above them both but he established a long time ago he's one of many great football players with just plain stupid views. And he's established in this very interview he struggles to keep a coherent thought on the subject.
Why he thinks he's better than Messi is facile but broadly true. However the exact same description can be given of Maradona, who he goes on to say is up there in the top 5. Maradona was clearly more one footed, clearly not particularly good in the air, and only had "one trick" in much the same way Messi does. That one trick being the ability to dribble past an entire team with your hips and toes is a pretty handy one, in fairness.
He doesn't really give a shit beyond making a point that he's the king, and shitty journalists exploit that for page views.
He couldn't be the exact same player, that's for sure. I guess it would depend on how well he could channel his otherworldly talent towards today's more collective style of football. From the bits of footage I've seen, I can imagine that very well. Someone posted this video a while ago, I think it gives an idea about it:Imagine if Pele was was born 50 years later than he did and was exactly the same extremely gifted individual, would he still be as good as he was back in his heyday? His fans would say that modern physical fitness programs, special diet etc. would enable him to perform as the world's best now just as he did back in 50s-60s but I have my doubts.
No one in their right mind would question his natural talent but football has come so far in the last few decades. You watch that 1958 WC final and it looks like a bunch of drunken fortysomething fans decided to play some footie on a Saturday night, they literally walk with a ball.
It's pretty tragic, football has missed something special.Even then, his legacy would have been greater still had he not succumbed to injury at the peak of his powers in the 1962 tournament, or had not been kicked out of the 1966 cup, or had the collective toll of that treatment not slowed him up a little by 1970 (as brilliant as he still was then).
Isn't OP his latest opinion? Basically whoever is currently the best isn't good enough for some reason even though he argued differently in the past. All to big himself more seemingly.actually, his (latest) opinion on Messi vs Ronaldo is the opposite of that. he said Ron is great goalscorer but to him, Messi is just better. he was asked about that in februrary I think. he'll probably think different in january though.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...e-chooses-Lionel-Messi-Cristiano-Ronaldo.html