Pep - Doping (?) | Are PEDs being used by footballers

[breakout67]

Last year KdB got a hamstring injury which would rule him out for a while, but then he went to Pep's special doctor and he was ready much sooner than expected.

Strangely enough, that doctor is not highly regarded by many people in football, except Guardiola. This doctor has treated Guardiola since his playing days, and was his doctor when he was found out for doping.

I don't think it's a Man City thing, I thing Guardiola himself likes his 'special' treatment.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Wasn't the infamous dr Fuentes involved with Barcelona and Spain during their primetime?

Not that I care really, innocent until proven guilty, etc.

What sort of crazy attitude is that? The rule is Pep is guilty until proven innocent.

I also blame Pep for no snow by me, not winning the lottery last Saturday and global warming. Cnut.

 

[ATXRedDevil]

You get positive if your analysis are above a pre-determined standard value, pretty much similar to a regular blood analysis. If they keep inside the legal limits, it's completely legal.

Testosterone, estrogen and other naturally occurring hormones, yes. Your body naturally produces them, so despite the fact that steroids can change their levels, they still have to allow a normal range (which can vary a great deal). But there’s no allowed limit for synthetics such as nandrolone, winstrol, deca, etc. they’re synthetic anabolics not naturally occurring hormones.

 

[BobbyManc]

Last year KdB got a hamstring injury which would rule him out for a while, but then he went to Pep's special doctor and he was ready much sooner than expected.

Strangely enough, that doctor is not highly regarded by many people in football, except Guardiola. This doctor has treated Guardiola since his playing days, and was his doctor when he was found out for doping.

I don't think it's a Man City thing, I thing Guardiola himself likes his 'special' treatment.

From a news article about de Bruyne's injury -

Dr Ramon Cugat, the orthopaedic surgeon and arguably the most in-demand doctor in European football.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

From a news article about de Bruyne's injury -

It isn’t Peps dope doctor who is Dr Segura.

 

[breakout67]

From a news article about de Bruyne's injury -

He is a knee specialist, De Bruyne had a hamstring injury. He is not the 'most in-demand doctor in European football' he is just really popular in Spain.

Not many footballers outside of Spain go to him, which indicates that he isn't some out of this world doctor that is better than everyone else.

 

[M18CTID]

I went to every home game last season & have done the same this season to date.

I was aware of Pep's history on doping before he joined us. With the pressure he will be under managing us, & our owners intentions to dominate at all costs, alarm bells are ringing for me.

I must admit the difference in our performances is marked. I don't think it's attainable to reach this difference purely by training, especially in the short time span between seasons. I do also find it strange that we are not picking up injuries when the team are working harder than ever before. Silva is in the veteran stage of his career yet is running games better than ever.

In mitigation,this has been a crazy season for us so far & we have been fairly lucky, everything could be down to chance.

3 posts about City and all with a negative slant despite being a blue. Hmmmmmm........

 

[Utdstar01]

So when he got caught pep said he just took the vitamins he was given by his doctor? Yet all these years later he still chooses to use the same doctor? Doesn't seem right to me.

 

[M18CTID]

Last year KdB got a hamstring injury which would rule him out for a while, but then he went to Pep's special doctor and he was ready much sooner than expected.

Strangely enough, that doctor is not highly regarded by many people in football, except Guardiola. This doctor has treated Guardiola since his playing days, and was his doctor when he was found out for doping.

I don't think it's a Man City thing, I thing Guardiola himself likes his 'special' treatment.

On the flip side, Stones got a hamstring injury on November 18th against Leicester so tomorrow is 5 weeks since then. At the time, they said he would be out for 4-6 weeks so there’s not been any miraculous recovery.

Players often come back from injury quicker than expected and often come back slower than expected. I’m not saying there’s nothing in these rumours but you’d think with regards to De Bruyne if there was anything dodgy about that injury recovery last year then City wouldn’t have announced how long he would be out for and would’ve instead been non-committal about it.

 

[ShadesOfTomato]

How can doping make players' touch and finesse/technical skill better? (the things which make Guardiola teams so good)>

 

[Guy Incognito]

Uh oh. We've finally done it and gone full RAWK.

It's quite embarrassing, those tweets.

No doubt there are dopers in the game, but is that the reason why City are far and away the best side this season in the PL?

 

[Classical Mechanic]

How can doping make players' touch and finesse/technical skill better? (the things which make Guardiola teams so good)>

In many ways, if you think how caffine can sharpen mental agility, imagine what cocktail of hardcore PEDS could do for you. If you know people that use steroids they will tell you how they make you feel you can tear down walls.

 

[Charlie Foley]

Doping in football. Nah.

This is an odd comment

 

[Adzzz]

Ah feck sakes my vitamins are full of PEDs again

 

[Utdstar01]

In many ways, if you think how caffine can sharpen mental agility, imagine what cocktail of hardcore PEDS could do for you. If you know people that use steroids they will tell you how they make you feel you can tear down walls.

This is very true. In boxing you have to watch your caffeine levels. When I've boxed I've noticed a serious energy kick from energy drinks, you do feel alot faster!

 

[lsd]

We need to start banning people for starting city threads soon.Its embarrassing coming here and seeing this obsession

Blue Moon doesnt have as many city threads

 

[Peanut Butter]

We need to start banning people for starting city threads soon.Its embarrassing coming here and seeing this obsession

Blue Moon doesnt have as many city threads

Agree. It's getting ridiculous now.

 

[dannyrhinos89]

This is pure desperation from some very desperate fans.

 

[Karel Podolsky]

I am wondering why Zidane gone bald so soon.

 

[Baby Groot]

Doping, whether legal or not is still doping though? Plus what Pep got banned for was Nandrolone, not fecking Ibuprofen. Also why should Pep be allowed to have his teams Dope if others don't get that option?

Wouldn't surprise me if Nandrolone was still Pep's best friend, once cheater always a cheater.

Regarding Ibuprofen. People have gotten banned for a long time for less in Olympics.

All that aside, there is no manager in top level football who has anywhere near as much smoke round him as Pep, that can't be denied.

Where there is smoke there is fire. SO I wouldn't be surprised if something was going on.

 

[Baby Groot]

What I find most telling is how bad his relationship was with Bayern medical staff. Maybe they weren't willing to comply with his miracle making?

IF that's the case then they Bayern Medical staff should speak out.

 

[Lord SInister]

Liverpool fans had accused us anything but doping, or doing anything illegal. I don't see the parallel.

you probably did not ventured RAWK during the time when we were the top dogs. Not exactly drugs but every little details was used as an excuse for our success, top being we won all of our titles not because of Ronaldo, Rooney, Scholes, RVP or Rio-Vida but because we had Webb Howard.
Although we have not reached that level of frustration, but we are near.

 

[invisibleman]

I went to every home game last season & have done the same this season to date.

I was aware of Pep's history on doping before he joined us. With the pressure he will be under managing us, & our owners intentions to dominate at all costs, alarm bells are ringing for me.

I must admit the difference in our performances is marked. I don't think it's attainable to reach this difference purely by training, especially in the short time span between seasons. I do also find it strange that we are not picking up injuries when the team are working harder than ever before. Silva is in the veteran stage of his career yet is running games better than ever.

In mitigation,this has been a crazy season for us so far & we have been fairly lucky, everything could be down to chance.

This is probably the saddest thing I have seen in a while. Someone joining a United Forum pretending to be a City fan. You are not very subtle and you are not fooling anyone.

 

[Chekhov]

How can doping make players' touch and finesse/technical skill better? (the things which make Guardiola teams so good)>

Forget it. They're rolling.

 

[redshaw]

Been shouting about this for years. I'm fairly sure he's a cheat. You just can win consistently run and be healthy.

Maybe you can say La Liga covered it up if it happened but I don't see how the doping is not being detected here in England.

My view is City have improved their squad from last season and can rotate good players in and out. KDB and City had a great start last season but fizzled out.

 

[carvajal]

hadn´t he been absolved by the Italian justice and later by the anti-doping court?. I would like to believe that he did not dope, although taking the example of cycling in the nineties and the beginning of the century, maybe they all doped and they only caught Guardiola.

 

[TheReligion]

Spot on. This is how far we've fallen that some posters are getting giddy talking about it. Excuses after excuses for us. First it's we can't play without Pogba, Pogba was there when we lost to Bristol City. Now it's city are doping. Maybe they have enough energy because they have 70%+ of the ball every game?

It's just sad that this is what we've been reduced to as a fan base. City fans must be laughing their heads off.

Yes because it's Manchester United fans only who are talking about Pep doping. Despite the fact he's already been confirmed as doing it in Spain.

I'm laughing my head off at your logic if I'm honest. Or lack of.

 

[Fish in kettles]

In the last week or two we have had,

Financial doping, contravening ffp but somehow covering it up
Clearing being favoured by the referees and national press.
Cheating by commiting fouls
Cheating by time wasting
And now we have performance enhancing drugs.

Paranoia levels have yet to reach divine intervention but it seems a matter of time only.

P.S. if these drugs were so good at preventing injuries and speeding up recouperation I assume Kompany, Gundogan, Mendy and Stones were off that day.

 

[FujiVice]

Pep didnt go bald like Hulk Hogan by eating beans and chicken every day.

 

[parkthebuslads]

I've always found it strange how so few teams are able to produce anything like the off the ball pressure and work rate that his do.

It isn't rocket science, just conditioning, effort, discipline and organisation; things which should not be exclusive to the most gifted and expensive squads. It's suspicious to me but I'm certainly not convinced of any guilt. Just...curious .

 

[lem8sh]

This thread is a new low.

 

[SalfordRed18]

Not accusing pep or City of anything but doping happens in sports, fact. I don't understand why some are so offended and the notion of doping in football when it happens in just about every other sport.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Not accusing pep or City of anything but doping happens in sports, fact. I don't understand why some are so offended and the notion of doping in football when it happens in just about every other sport.

I do not think anyone is offended at the notion that there is doping in Football. The problem with this thread is it does not read as a serious discussion about doping in Football but, desperate straw clutching.

 

[padr81]

This is crazy. City ran a lot more last season and were near the top in terms of sprints and distance covered. This season distance covered is lower because we have so much ball and use it better.

Average premier league game sees the ball in play for 54 minutes according to soccer metrics. City have around 2/3 possession, that's 36 of the 54 minutes sometimes a lot more.

The opposition have the ball and are attacking for 18 minutes max usually.

That's 1/5th of the 90 minutes city have to play at high intensity to get the ball back.

Having so much possession is what allows city to sprint in defence for the entire match.

City have to defend for 9 minutes per half.

 

[SteveJ]

Meh, you can prove anything with facts. Bring back the real story: 'Manchester Wiggy - how LSD made Pep bald' (Sunday Mirror).

 

[::sonny::]

I said it against Spurs - They looked like they were on fast forward compared to Spurs players. I’ve never seen a PL side relentlessely close off space like they do from every angle. It could just be that the players and coaching really are that good but having watched De Bruyne in Germany he didn’t exactly strike me as a world class athlete.

It wouldn’t shock me in the least if something comes out.

Also against United, that 90 mins of high pressing is suspicious

 

[Harry190]

Hey, here's the truth about it if they're doping: Why are they better than us at it?

Maybe we should get on the same juice.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Everyone uses doping, it's not even forbidden. You just can't overdose your atheltes with enhacing drugs, their analysis must be inside the standard values. They just give them enough quantity to stay in the upper limit of the standard value.

There we go.

That's all it is. Legalized cheating.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

The Nandrolone cases will never be well explained, it wasn't only Guardiola at the time, more players in Italy at the time had some problem, like Couto or Stam, the rest regarding suspitions about Barcelona and Segura, ok, but where are the proofs?

And if we talk about doping regarding football, clearly City is not the only one involved in this, strange fact is only coming with this regarding this season, last season they didn't doped I guess?

Don't know, maybe one day something credible will come from this, untill there we are speculating with something posted on a Twitter account, but ok everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I will stay out of this subject, not enough knowledge regarding this matter.

The Nandralone cases will never be explained? How about.............they were drugs cheats and they got caught!

Don’t get me wrong I’m sure some of them got bad advice from clubs or doctors but it is their responsibility what goes in their body.

You mentioned earlier that the UK ignores our own dopers, it isn’t true, most people wanted Chambers banned from representing the UK and UK sport want to ban proven dopers from ever competing for the UK period.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...ompeting-for-Britain-under-new-proposals.html

@carvajal

Pep was cleared on a technicality. The chances of him and De Boer both throwing up false positives around the same time are barely worth considering.

A number of players were caught in Italy for the same drug around the same time, including De Boer who was using Pep’s ‘personal’ doctor.

Details here

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2017/04/25/sharapova-guardiola-doping-darkness-and-light-250401/

 

[GazTheLegend]

I'm not so sure - isn't the testing in football pretty lax? Especially compared to cycling and sprinting etc, where they still struggle with the issue despite the increased focus.

Testing in football is an absolute fecking joke.

I can’t find a link as this stuff is criminally under reported in the media but I distinctly remember that prior to the 2010 World Cup Fifa suddenly decided to abandon their planned blood tests of all the competing players for reasons they never fully explained.

Spain never did release the Fuentes blood locker evidence - even though the statute of limitations would mean that it’s unlikely or impossible to stick any criminal charges now -anyway-.

Guardiola is a —proven— doper and his Barcelona team had a lot of question marks over it. He would do ANYTHING to win.

And he has regularly sent his players to his “personal doctor” at Barcelona for treatments lol. Gabriel Jesus recovered from a metatarsal injury in 9 fecking weeks.

Fifa don’t test injured players so it would be INCREDIBLY easy to microdose EPO to help injury recovery (and subsequently improve performance), but let’s not pretend it’s only City doing all of this.