'Pep' Guardiola sack watch

Gonçalo Motta

Full Member
Joined
Nov 20, 2013
Messages
627
Location
Porto, Portugal
If they managed to buy Ronaldo they would have steamrolled this league this season as well.
Looks like they need a proper striker to finish their chances.
 

GMoore23

Full Member
Joined
Apr 22, 2014
Messages
3,525
Hope it's beginning of the end, but I thought same last year when they were 8th in the table at Christmas.
I still believe Guardiola exploited the covid rules. He got them a mid season break and they steamrolled the league afterwards. Takeaway their mid season break and we win the league last season no doubt.
 

Samid

He's no Bilal Ilyas Jhandir
Joined
Dec 12, 2012
Messages
49,556
Location
Oslo, Norway

You've got to feel for him. After only being allowed 10 minutes of preparation for the Southampton game, he is now being forced to use youngsters against the mighty Wycombe. Stay strong Pep :(
 

KiD MoYeS

Good Craig got his c'nuppins
Joined
Feb 1, 2010
Messages
32,984
Location
Love is Blind
They've tried to copycat Barcelona, my guess is they attempt to copycat the Germans when Pep goes. They really are a club with no identity.
 

Uniquim

Full Member
Joined
Mar 2, 2009
Messages
5,746
Location
Location, Location

You've got to feel for him. After only being allowed 10 minutes of preparation for the Southampton game, he is now being forced to use youngsters against the mighty Wycombe. Stay strong Pep :(
Poor guy. Maybe if their owners had backed him in the transfer market, they wouldn't be in this position.
After all, having 4-5 players injured is unprecedented in football, so it really is the worst of luck.
Yet, he battles on. Wycombe is going to be another uphill battle.
 

stefan92

Full Member
Joined
Feb 9, 2021
Messages
6,457
Supports
Hannover 96
Poor guy. Maybe if their owners had backed him in the transfer market, they wouldn't be in this position.
After all, having 4-5 players injured is unprecedented in football, so it really is the worst of luck.
Yet, he battles on. Wycombe is going to be another uphill battle.
Am I the only one thinking that such statements just create a losers mentality? I can't imagine that it is helpful for his players to hear him say that he is forced to play them.

On one hand I hate such mentality discussions, on the other I just can't stop myself from asking whether this caused the slight margin they were beaten by in the CL final against a team which coach simply answered to the question who would win it "That's easy. We will win it."
 

crossy1686

career ending
Joined
Jun 5, 2010
Messages
31,710
Location
Manchester/Stockholm
Feels a bit like Pep's writing his resignation letter at the moment.

Didn't get a striker so he threw his toys out of the pram.
Spoke to the Brazilian press about becoming an international manager down there at some point in the future.
Goes back on that and says he's going no where when they don't jump at the offer.
Goes to war with the City fans over not coming to games, then doubles down on it when questioned and basically says "we're not a big club like United etc".
Now he's kicking off about having to play some reserve players as if it's a bad thing.

He's either trying to get sacked or he's leaving at the end of this season or next.
 

Brown1950

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Aug 21, 2021
Messages
12
I still believe Guardiola exploited the covid rules. He got them a mid season break and they steamrolled the league afterwards. Takeaway their mid season break and we win the league last season no doubt.
Please explain how he exploited the Covid rules and how long was the so called mid season break ?
 

GMoore23

Full Member
Joined
Apr 22, 2014
Messages
3,525
Please explain how he exploited the Covid rules and how long was the so called mid season break ?
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...d-after-covid-19-outbreak-in-guardiolas-squad

City were struggling for form. They should have played Everton on 28th Dec with just a 2 day break but pulled out on very short notice then had an 8 day break to refresh themselves for Chelsea in the League and United in the LC semis. They went on to win both games easily and never looked back.
After the Everton game's postponement they won an incredible 18 games on the bounce which sealed the title for them. I think the extra rest over the holiday period was the catalyst for this.
 
Last edited:

Samid

He's no Bilal Ilyas Jhandir
Joined
Dec 12, 2012
Messages
49,556
Location
Oslo, Norway
Could've competed in games like these if only he was allowed to spend a further billion.
 

VP89

Pogba's biggest fan
Joined
Dec 6, 2015
Messages
31,647
Counter attacking football seems to be his kryptonite.
It was quite easy to defend for the most part. They weren't direct enough today. Grealish kept stopping the momentum I felt, as good as he is at keeping the ball he made it so easy for Hakimi.
 

adexkola

Doesn't understand sportswashing.
Joined
Mar 17, 2008
Messages
48,469
Location
The CL is a glorified FA Cup set to music
Supports
orderly disembarking on planes
Counter attacking football seems to be his kryptonite.
Actually this isn't true, the vast majority of teams set up to counter against his sides (and most of them fail)

It was quite easy to defend for the most part. They weren't direct enough today. Grealish kept stopping the momentum I felt, as good as he is at keeping the ball he made it so easy for Hakimi.
Combination of this and awful finishing

I know many think a 9 fixes this but you can't have your 9 be the only good finisher in your team
 

Brown1950

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Aug 21, 2021
Messages
12
I still believe Guardiola exploited the covid rules. He got them a mid season break and they steamrolled the league afterwards. Takeaway their mid season break and we win the league last season no doubt.
Your mid season break was only 4 days !!
City played Arsenal 22nd Dec then played Newcastle on 26th Dec.
 

OleBoiii

New Member
Joined
Oct 4, 2019
Messages
6,021
He clearly struggles against the low block. A few more patterns would go a long way.

To be fair though, Pochettino's bus is a challenge to break down when you also have to watch out for Messi, Neymar and Mbappe behind you.
 

Sweet Square

Full Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2013
Messages
23,671
Location
The Zone
It was quite easy to defend for the most part. They weren't direct enough today. Grealish kept stopping the momentum I felt, as good as he is at keeping the ball he made it so easy for Hakimi.
Yeah agree with this.

Actually this isn't true, the vast majority of teams set up to counter against his sides (and most of them fail)
Most teams have vastly shite players compared to City. He struggles when up against a very good counter attacking team. No real shame in that but it's been the case for years now.
 

Eddy_JukeZ

Full Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2012
Messages
17,124
He clearly struggles against the low block. A few more patterns would go a long way.

To be fair though, Pochettino's bus is a challenge to break down when you also have to watch out for Messi, Neymar and Mbappe behind you.
He does?

That's why his teams are always at the top of the goal-scoring charts every single season then?

They didn't even struggle that much today.
 

adexkola

Doesn't understand sportswashing.
Joined
Mar 17, 2008
Messages
48,469
Location
The CL is a glorified FA Cup set to music
Supports
orderly disembarking on planes
Yeah agree with this.


Most teams have vastly shite players compared to City. He struggles when up against a very good counter attacking team. No real shame in that but it's been the case for years now.
Even with your added caveat it's still false, for 2 reasons

1. Because of how his sides dominate, every top side that plays against City (bar Liverpool, credit to Klopp for this) cedes possession and plays on the counter. You're operating with a higher sample size compared to the amount of teams that play on the counter against United for example

2. Even with this, he has a winning record against big sides overall. A few high profile losses, sure. Enough to say he struggles? I don't see it
 

Sweet Square

Full Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2013
Messages
23,671
Location
The Zone
1. Because of how his sides dominate, every top side that plays against City (bar Liverpool, credit to Klopp for this) cedes possession and plays on the counter. You're operating with a higher sample size compared to the amount of teams that play on the counter against United for example
Isn't that more of a reason why Pep should be better at dealing with counter attacks ? Everybody could see what was going to happen today and it played out as expected.
2. Even with this, he has a winning record against big sides overall. A few high profile losses, sure. Enough to say he struggles? I don't see it
To me he is still currently the best manager in world football(Along with the fact the amount of money spent means his teams are always going to natural be some of the best in world football). But those few high profile losses are why he hasn't won a CL since his Barca days. Considering the resources he has had, it's a mark against him.
 

VP89

Pogba's biggest fan
Joined
Dec 6, 2015
Messages
31,647
He does?

That's why his teams are always at the top of the goal-scoring charts every single season then?

They didn't even struggle that much today.
This season I think he will struggle a bit more. Struggle is relative of course, and they will still look threatening going forward. But the way to beat them is certainly to keep your shape because I don't think they have anyone really wanting to run in behind. Everything is played in front of you, and they are reliant on advanced midfielders to develop a strikers instinct in the box and that becomes a lot more straight forward to handle.
 

ti vu

Full Member
Joined
Jun 16, 2015
Messages
12,799
Same old story I guess. Against team that having same quality or more, where Pep prioritize midfield to contain opposition, they just lost the cutting edge in attack (already not optimal without a true prolific forward). Not able to score goal, would let your opposition (here are teams with serious quality), getting used and more comfortable. With their quality just a few chances would be enough for them to punish the high line defense.

Cry us a river really. Have time and resource to sort thing out all this time, but too obsessed with his view of perfect game to act on it. Getting the same control of the game like his Barcelona midfield is unfeasible. Ending up shooting in his own foot by neglecting the forward position.
 
Last edited:

Samid

He's no Bilal Ilyas Jhandir
Joined
Dec 12, 2012
Messages
49,556
Location
Oslo, Norway
Pathetic comment
No point attacking me, you should rather aim your anger at your Pep Guardiola is my idol who seemingly can’t financially dope his way to a Champions League trophy

But hey, keep throwing even more money at the problem and you might get lucky
 

yumtum

DUX' bumchum
Joined
May 10, 2009
Messages
7,132
Location
Wales
Actually this isn't true, the vast majority of teams set up to counter against his sides (and most of them fail)



Combination of this and awful finishing

I know many think a 9 fixes this but you can't have your 9 be the only good finisher in your team
It helps that they are allowed to foul with impunity to stop counter attacks.
 

adexkola

Doesn't understand sportswashing.
Joined
Mar 17, 2008
Messages
48,469
Location
The CL is a glorified FA Cup set to music
Supports
orderly disembarking on planes
Isn't that more of a reason why Pep should be better at dealing with counter attacks ? Everybody could see what was going to happen today and it played out as expected.

To me he is still currently the best manager in world football(Along with the fact the amount of money spent means his teams are always going to natural be some of the best in world football). But those few high profile losses are why he hasn't won a CL since his Barca days. Considering the resources he has had, it's a mark against him.
You're right in your last 2 sentences but that doesn't aid your original point at all.

It helps that they are allowed to foul with impunity to stop counter attacks.
Sure. Every top side does this. They do it extremely well though (we are pathetic at it in comparison)
 

432JuanMata

Full Member
Joined
Aug 12, 2014
Messages
3,097
Location
Dublin
Said it in the match thread that if they didn’t equalise it would end 2-0. PSG are the worst team to play when chasing a goal but overall tonight I thought City weren’t bad and that was with Grealish and KDB putting in their worst performances.
 

cyberman

Full Member
Joined
May 26, 2010
Messages
37,331
A few blanks and 1 goal scored in a game now. A pattern is starting to develop
 

432JuanMata

Full Member
Joined
Aug 12, 2014
Messages
3,097
Location
Dublin
when you spend half a billion on defensive players alone, do you honestly not expect to have criticism??
Both PSG and City spent a Billion and yes he will always get criticism when they don’t win but City we’re decent tonight and PSG away these days is probably the toughest match on paper.
Pep is always going to get put down due to the money spent but he’s the best manager to spend the money
 

bosskeano

Full Member
Joined
Dec 8, 2020
Messages
5,131
Both PSG and City spent a Billion and yes he will always get criticism when they don’t win but City we’re decent tonight and PSG away these days is probably the toughest match on paper.
Pep is always going to get put down due to the money spent but he’s the best manager to spend the money
no argument there....it was a fun match to watch as both teams tried to play football without all the theatrics and nonsense you see in some of the bigger contests.
 

432JuanMata

Full Member
Joined
Aug 12, 2014
Messages
3,097
Location
Dublin
no argument there....it was a fun match to watch as both teams tried to play football without all the theatrics and nonsense you see in some of the bigger contests.
It was a good game and PSG had good shape when City had the ball with 7 always behind it. City had some awful individual performances but overall were in the game and created plenty. There isn’t much between these sides
 

kaiser1

Full Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2018
Messages
2,054
Supports
Bayern Munich
He clearly struggles against the low block. A few more patterns would go a long way.

To be fair though, Pochettino's bus is a challenge to break down when you also have to watch out for Messi, Neymar and Mbappe behind you.
Didn't he just destroy Chelsea's 3CBs, 2 FBs and 3 DMs just some days ago?