Pep's spending is insane (£941m and counting at City)

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So VVD cost 69 million in 2018 Jan but now he is worth 61 million?
No, they counted him as a transfer of last season. If he was bought this season, he would've cost less according to data (which means that the prices last year were more inflated than this year, most probably due to the Mbappé and Neymar transfers.
Of course they aren't 100% accurate, but the price range is. Imagine a young Wayne Rooney in the current market. He wouldn't have gone for any less than 100m, for instance.
 

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If he is not going to be backed by the board why is he still here?

You either back your manager or pull the trigger and bring in someone you are confident backing. Who you believe will carry the club forward.

I kind of feel we are in limbo, with no one behind the wheel of this runaway bus.
 

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If he is not going to be backed by the board why is he still here?
You either back your manager or pull the trigger and bring in someone you are confident backing. Who you believe will carry the club forward.
I kind of feel we are in limbo, with no one behind the wheel of this runaway bus.
Backed how? By getting EVERY player he wants? No coach gets that otherwise every team will have Messi and Ronaldo. Pep didnt get Alexis, Fred and Bonnuci, Klopp didn't get Fekir, Werner

How about you deliver on those you requested and have been given first or get the best out of your signings some which are league record signings
 

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Backed how? By getting EVERY player he wants? No coach gets that otherwise every team will have Messi and Ronaldo. Pep didnt get Alexis, Fred and Bonnuci, Klopp didn't get Fekir, Werner

How about you deliver on those you requested and have been given first or get the best out of your signings some which are league record signings
Id understand if he was requesting Ronaldo for 100mil. But denying him Alderweireld for 30mil?

And it goes back to how many are Jose signings, how many the board or Woodward? Pogba? Lindelof? Fred? Bailly?

You look at the Pochettino thread and how much praise he is getting. He signed Janssen for close to 30mil, ok granted not a lot for us. But for Spurs that is a serious outlay. Then decided hes not good enough and froze him out.
 

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Id understand if he was requesting Ronaldo for 100mil. But denying him Alderweireld for 30mil?

And it goes back to how many are Jose signings, how many the board or Woodward? Pogba? Lindelof? Fred? Bailly?

You look at the Pochettino thread and how much praise he is getting. He signed Janssen for close to 30mil, ok granted not a lot for us. But for Spurs that is a serious outlay. Then decided hes not good enough and froze him out.
It was 17 million.

Janssen was a punt based on his goalscoring record in the Eredivisie, once it became very obvious he couldn't do it in the Premier League he was phased out. He also had injury issues etc, the guy was given opportunities but unfortunately it was clear that he just wasn't good enough at this level, which is the risk you run when you sign players from the lesser leagues.
 

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Backed how? By getting EVERY player he wants? No coach gets that otherwise every team will have Messi and Ronaldo. Pep didnt get Alexis, Fred and Bonnuci, Klopp didn't get Fekir, Werner

How about you deliver on those you requested and have been given first or get the best out of your signings some which are league record signings
Surely you can see how that’s different? Those players didn’t join those clubs due to the player choosing to go elsewhere. The board was ready to sign off on the deal but the player signed for someone else. In our case the story goes that Jose wanted certain players, and Ed straight up refused to even sanction a bid because he wasn’t convinced they were right for us. That is a case of not backing your manager, and just as weirdly, letting an accountant decide who is and isn’t a good enough footballer over someone whose job it is to assess footballers.

I’m not saying that we’d be any better if Ed had agreed to go for those players, but there seems to be a weird denial on here that Ed refusing to bid for players Jose wanted isn’t somehow evidence of the board refusing to back him. Whether you think he was right or wrong, it doesn’t change that fact.
 

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Id understand if he was requesting Ronaldo for 100mil. But denying him Alderweireld for 30mil?

And it goes back to how many are Jose signings, how many the board or Woodward? Pogba? Lindelof? Fred? Bailly?

You look at the Pochettino thread and how much praise he is getting. He signed Janssen for close to 30mil, ok granted not a lot for us. But for Spurs that is a serious outlay. Then decided hes not good enough and froze him out.
Why is it that when its Mou thats when we try to differentiate board signing from coach signing? Most of those signed were approved by Mourinho. We heard what
Or can i also ask if you are certain Jansenn was a Poch signing, If Stones or Danilo, Mendy and Gundog were Pep signings
Poch froze Jansenn out, Mou is doing that to almost 70% of the signings under him. Bailly, Pogba, Alexis, Lukaku, Miki
Surely you can see how that’s different? Those players didn’t join those clubs due to the player choosing to go elsewhere. The board was ready to sign off on the deal but the player signed for someone else. In our case the story goes that Jose wanted certain players, and Ed straight up refused to even sanction a bid because he wasn’t convinced they were right for us. That is a case of not backing your manager, and just as weirdly, letting an accountant decide who is and isn’t a good enough footballer over someone whose job it is to assess footballers.
You realize Fekir, Bonnuci and Werner stayed at their clubs
 

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This is a very good point which people don't want to understand. Jose was backed last season in the market and we finished 2nd. This summer he was not backed and which is why I felt the board were playing with fire. If you do not trust your manager giving money to invest then just replace him. For sure jose must do better than having us in 6th or 7th but the fact remains we needed to strengthen our defense, not for the sake of Jose but to improve our club.
How can you say Mourinho wasn't backed when he bought Fred and Dalot ??

I dont see Unai Emery whingeing about not being backed he spent a similar amount as Moanrinho
 

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And it goes back to how many are Jose signings, how many the board or Woodward? Pogba? Lindelof? Fred? Bailly?
They're all Mourinho signings. There was evidence that the board vetoed some of the players Jose wanted but not that they picked the players.
 

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Like he said no manager get what they want. Also pep has built trust by buying top talent. Most of Mourinhos big signings have simply not worked out. How could you expect the board to trust someone who wasted our money on mikhitaryan Sanchez lukaku and midfielders he doesnt even play like pogba fred or defenders like baily
Pep has people who's job it is to research and sign the correct players for him. United lack that infrastructure.
 

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Pep has people who's job it is to research and sign the correct players for him. United lack that infrastructure.
Hilarious, it was their research that made them kick out Joe Hart, sign Bravo from his former club,and when that backfired sign another keeper with great passing accuracy from Brazil, they also must have done crazy research to find Mahrez, or Sane who Pep knew from his time in Germany etc. Like what the feck does the post even mean, that we didn't do enough 'research' on Pogba,Matic,Sanchez or Lukaku?
 
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Hilarious, it was their research that made them kick out Joe Hart, sign Bravo from his former club, sign another keeper with great passing accuracy from Brazil, they also must have done crazy research to find Mahrez, or Sane who Pep knew from his time in Germany etc. Like what the feck does the post even mean, that we should have done more research on Pogba,Matic,Sanchez or Lukaku?
Pep is a coach, his job is to prepare his team for each match. He doesn't have much time to go deep into research about players by looking at tapes, going to games or wondering how feasible they are to purchase (think how long it took to buy Herrera for example). He has a man (Txiki Begiristain) who's sole job is to make sure that his wishes are fulfilled. He's not Ed who's thinking about shareholders whilst also being the guy who's signing players. His interest is football and football alone. A United boss has to buy players he already knows about himself or trust that the scouts are correct on finding a player that matches your ambitions. Look at our signings under LvG. They were for the most part awful. Look at the signings City made before they DoF who knew what he was doing. Horrendous waste of money.

We didn't need this much when SAF was here (we did need it in his latter years) because he liked to get to know the players more before signing them like by talking to their parents to know their character. He didn't manage that as much in his last seasons because football managing had become more complicated like it is today.
 

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Pulled them out of my arse tbh. I just though that Pogba would've gone for prices not too far off Mbappé, and compared KdB/Sané to that of some big transfers like Dembélé out of the BL that were on the same level.

But seriously, there is a something called Transfer Index, whose prices aren't to far off my estimations (converted to Euros)
https://www.totallymoney.com/content/transfer-index/data/

Kdb: 136m Euros
Sané: 69m Euros
Pogba: 136m Euros
Sane for 69m Euros? Come on really?
 

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Sane for 69m Euros? Come on really?
What? He was bought for 50m back then which would be roughly 70m in today's market. It's not his current value, but simply means that a 50m transfer in that season would be equivalent to a 70m transfer currently.
 

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Pep is a coach, his job is to prepare his team for each match. He doesn't have much time to go deep into research about players by looking at tapes, going to games or wondering how feasible they are to purchase (think how long it took to buy Herrera for example). He has a man (Txiki Begiristain) who's sole job is to make sure that his wishes are fulfilled. He's not Ed who's thinking about shareholders whilst also being the guy who's signing players. His interest is football and football alone. A United boss has to buy players he already knows about himself or trust that the scouts are correct on finding a player that matches your ambitions. Look at our signings under LvG. They were for the most part awful. Look at the signings City made before they DoF who knew what he was doing. Horrendous waste of money.

We didn't need this much when SAF was here (we did need it in his latter years) because he liked to get to know the players more before signing them like by talking to their parents to know their character. He didn't manage that as much in his last seasons because football managing had become more complicated like it is today.
You are deluding yourself if you think Pep or any top manager relies on someone to research on players for him. City ,like us go after players their manager wants, and like us have wasted a lot of money on crap, till they got lucky with Pep. Are you saying City stopped signing duds as soon as the Tixi dude came on board? And you make it sound like City are signing unknown gems or something,they like us are signing reknowned players,we even managed to beat them to Sanchez and Fred. We signed Serie A's best player, Arsenal's best player, Mourinho's former midfielder, Bundesliga's best player at some point, one of the PL's best young strikers and they've ALL gone to shit and you're pinning it on 'research'. So when Jose said he wanted Matic and Pogba our scouts/DOF should have done some 'research' and told him they thought one of the world's best midfielders and and Jose's most trusted general were crap and told him no or something?

And you had to bring LVG into it , That nutter was filling the club with average dutchmen and his former players was that our scouts/DOF's fault too? I agree we definitely need better scouting and maybe a DOF but people need to stop blaming them for the shitness of our managers. For all the talk of a DOF this and that I'm fairly certain if we hired Pep we'd be doing much more better than we are still with fecking Woody and our shit scouts around
 

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So is he now no longer the greatest manager to have walked the earth?
 

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Needs to invest in a statue of Iniesta, Xavi and Messi outside his gaff. Great manager but owes so much of his 'God' status to those 3.
 

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So how many of his City signings have been a success? The GK aside. Just wanna know.
 

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Even with Pep's skills he can't motivate this City squad to retain a PL for the first time ever.
That can happen with plastic clubs. They can't bother much when things go south.
 

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It's painful that most football fans think he could go into a club like Everton and take them forward.
 

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Even with Pep's skills he can't motivate this City squad to retain a PL for the first time ever.
Yeah. Never Pep's fault if his teams under achieve. Never mind the super squads he has had under his disposal at all of his clubs.
 

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It's painful that most football fans think he could go into a club like Everton and take them forward.
This. Most were convinced that he could turn a paper bag into Iniesta in his prime. It's ludicrous really. He needs players with supreme technical quality and man for man domination on the pitch.

Manager influence is hugely overrated by football fans, player quality and manager influence are inherently at odds with each other. The better a player is, the less coaching he needs and vice versa.

This is why many don't fancy him. He is the manager the most reliant on a cheque book in the game at the moment.
 

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Clearly needs a new challenge - next stop Juventus to achieve a remarkable league title win there?
 

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Funny how they've struggled since Mourinho is gone.
They could be closer to us than to Liverpool if the Scousers beat them.
There's some kind of voodoo going on. Jose at Madrid collapsed when Pep left Barca as well.
 

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Isn't Foden supposed to be a Sancho level prospect?...I've not really seen anything of him other than a few minutes here and there but after the World Cup a number of journalists were raving about him, if he's as good as he's supposed to be why the need for a new midfielder, surely the only way this kid is going to progress is actually playing him.
 

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Isn't Foden supposed to be a Sancho level prospect?...I've not really seen anything of him other than a few minutes here and there but after the World Cup a number of journalists were raving about him, if he's as good as he's supposed to be why the need for a new midfielder, surely the only way this kid is going to progress is actually playing him.
They need a holding midfielder as cover for fernandinho, Foden is attacking.