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Phil Jones Future | Reports: Observing United academy sessions
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
The abuse he gets is well out of order but I do think there's this weird narrative that he looked like an absolute world beater before the injuries. He had great potential true, but I honestly think people forget just how error prone he was/could be. There was a very good chance that even without the injuries he would never have fulfilled his potential because he just didn't seem a very smart defender.
Hope he resurrects his career somewhere else and I wish him well.
Hope he resurrects his career somewhere else and I wish him well.
Obviously fergie didn’t help with his wacky prediction, but he was a defender who left it all on the pitch; you could never fault his effort
He was a very good player. Injuries ruined him. If you lot all know more than Fergie then well….
Being 19/20 having great games as a full back, center back and box to box/Dm for Manchester United is no joke. It's not like he was a world beater but had he not suffered from injuries, by the time he was in his mid to late 20's it wouldn't be so shocking to see him included in a hand full of world class players.
Fergie definitely didn't get it wrong with Jones but injuries got the best of him
He did have great potential but I don't think we saw him deliver on it as much as some make out, aside from his first season. In his second season i remember him having very good games in midfield against Ronaldo and Fellani but some of his defending left a lot to be desired (see Sir Alex's last ever home game, Swansea, 2-1 for instance). He just always had a mistake in him and I think he was a very clumsy defender. Maybe with time and patience he could have settled into the team and become a great player but i don't think it was ever a sure thing, even without the injuries.
I've never liked the abuse he's got and it's not his fault he's injured all the time though. Far more blame should be attached to the club for offering him so many new deals.
Does anyone actually discuss his future in the thread or just keep going over old ground?
I’d personally like him to stay forever.
His future? Away from the club or retirement.
He was a player with huge potential when he was a youngster he never reached that potential due to injuries or whatever.
Let's not rewrite history even when he was playing he wasn't great he always had those shit the bed moments.
We don't know more than Fergie obviously but it's clear he got it wrong with him.
What's to discuss about his future though? It's clear he doesn't have one here. He'll be let go once his deal expires, he's played a grand total of 9 games and 500 minutes in the last 4 seasons.
I don't think he'll even get a chance in the premier league again, maybe he'll get a chance in another league or the championship. A newly promoted team maybe? Or maybe he'll retire.
Did he hang his boots? What future are we discussing
Could be wrong but I think his playing days may be over. Can’t get past how unwell he looked on telly recently
Players at age 18 are judged differently to players at age 25 or at age 30. You expect them to become more mature, less rash and to develop his scanning abilities and leadership skills. Jones was very promising at his age but he never developed that maturity needed. I dare to say that this lack of immaturity played a part of why he's so injury prone. Smalling and him was also unlucky that football changed at a crucial part of their career progression which meant that they became obsolete in their mid 20s.
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He was a very decent player up until his injury problems saw him sidelined for months at a time, and a player who spends that much time off the pitch can't really be expected to just excel the moment he returns. Then his injuries became more and more frequent to the point where it was wildly unrealistic to expect him to play well at all. It's daft to call him a "bad player," nobody can perform when they spend 75% of the season injured (or, as it has seemed lately, 100%).
Fletcher used to look skinny too when he was having medical issues but he looks good now.
I think both him and the club should move on, I think he can get a decent job as a pundit.
I think both him and the club should move on, I think he can get a decent job as a pundit.
Redemption arc incoming?
The mentiotof an arc and he got a lower back injury. Out for another 16 months.
Has he been registered to play?
No for both league and Europa, I think he could play the FA cup game within the rules, but is out anyway
Out as injured?
When he turned up doing that pitchside interview in the middle of one of our games, with not even a hint he's a current United player you knew it was well done.
Unfortunately so, not trained all season. I thought when he played last year and got the MOTM there was a chance of a comeback but seemingly a last hurrah. The latest reports I have read are that he is out injured and not trained, not involved in the dressing room - nothing. He appeared on Sky during the Carling Cup final and looked very slim. Not in a bad way necessarily but lacking the muscle he had. He won't play for United again, and I'd be surprised if he doesn't retire at the end of the season in all honesty
That seems like a safe bet…
It's been known for a while that he's not coming back. Right now he's doing his badges and getting rehab so he'll have some kind of quality of life when he retires. His knee is damaged well beyond the point where he can play football again, the club are quietly just fulfilling their duty of care to him and helping him transition to some kind of coaching role.
Emergency sub man marking Haaland in the FA Cup final.
Who would've thougth ten years ago that he'd have the career he's had. Sad considering he looked mint when he first arrived.
Ha would be a hell of a way to go out!
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Genuinely feel sorry for him, he has tried so many things apparently to get over his injuries, yet he keeps falling back. Such wasted talent sadly, he could have been great.
he is out of contract in the summer so will be free to join anyone, should he want to try to continue his career
He should retire and join Carrick's coaching team at Boro.
You'd think he'd retire in the summer or drop down a few leagues where it's less intense and do a bit of coaching on the side. Really hope he has a better non playing career than he's had playing career. Feel for the bloke to be honest.
“Suffered an injury on the first day” is the most Phil Jones thing I’ve ever read.
Feel terrible for the lad. Last chance to make something of himself at the club and this happens.
Does anybody recall what is his issue with the knee?
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Feel sorry for the lad to be honest . Looks like he’ll have to retire
Sad that Phil Jones`s career is ravaged by injuries. He always gave everything on the pitch.
But anyone with half a brain knew that giving him that contract extension was a horrible decision. Woodward and Glazers lack that clearly.
But anyone with half a brain knew that giving him that contract extension was a horrible decision. Woodward and Glazers lack that clearly.
That's really sad. When you want to play football, but your body keeps breaking down. Frustrating.