I feel like Muller is appreciated
Yeah right. What do managers know?
I never said they did if you read my post right. I said he amazed everyone, and YES, he would not be picked by managers now, if he turned up in that state.
This thread is about players that aren't/weren't rated but the fans but are/were by the managers. If anything, McGrath is an example of the complete opposite (even though I'm pretty sure that all of his managers had appreciated him but Fergie felt that he needed to eradicate the drinking culture from the club).
I never got Tiago either, until his second or third season at Atleti and either I suddenly noticed or it came out more, but man he was so much better than almost anyone else. I think he did start to play more accurately, though, and everything was so full of confidence or zen. But when had his best season start yet when he was 35 or something, but then he got a big injury
Agree with this. Those two seasons either side of his bad injury were immense. Then he got the 7 shirt in 12/13 and bombed for some reason. 2nd half of 15/16 onwards was solid for him. It took a bit of time to win fans over as a right back, but I suspect most would take that period of Valencia back over our current options.
Frenkie de Jong could turn into this. While he is in bad form for a while now, suddenly people call him overrated and a pass-sideways-and-backwards player all the time, like they forget or can't see all the things he can do and still does. Get him into shape and be less afraid of taking out high-in-the-hierarchy players like Pique and Busquets and you'll have a midfield winner right there.
That’s not what I said. Of all the possibilities and things you could be online, please tell me you didn’t choose dumb as the one to cosplay as?
Right, so you really chose that. Brazy. Enjoy your escapism.That's your wittiest comeback?
Bit of a Gattuso type, just all energy. Though he does score and pass better than GG, at least in my memory.
Great shout. Him and Scholes who is an all time great imho.
The engine behind Madrid and Germany. Won all trophies that could be won by a player. His cabinet is perfect
Carrick didn't tackle was a myth though, his tackling stats are superb. I agree with your post, he wasn't appreciated enough.
Nah that’s not true, he wasn’t in the class of Pirlo not even close. I loved Rio more than Vidic so it’s not English mentality. It’s that other than one season, he ranged from periods of poor performances to good but rarely great. He couldn’t tackle or head a ball and if you ran at him he could be bypassed. He was often missing in the biggest games. Where Carrick comes out well is playing for a very successful team. He was a good player but he was t great.
And very overrated in all other years.
One more myth that he can't tackle.
Yes you’re right….he was a great tackler. Everybody would say it was his strength
Ofcourse there are only 2 categories, one is great tackler and other is can't tackle. It's all binary.
Yes.
In my opinion the majority of players who played under SAF should not be rated based on national caps.
Stones has recovered his reputation with fans quite a lot in the last few years hasn't he?
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Let me guess...you rated Scott Parker didn't you?
Carrick was fantastic from the minute he laced up his boots to the day he retired. While England supporters were arguing about how to get Gerrard and Lampard into their 4-4-2, if they had any brains and knew anything about football, it shouldn't have been Lampard AND Gerrard. It should have been Lampard or Gerrard and which one would play #10 with Carrick and Scholes in the midfield of a 4-2-3-1. Put it this way....the greatest manager ever started Carrick in every big match (and most small matches too) and never once thought about replacing him. He was our midfield maestro that was never truly appreciated as much as he should be because he didn't run around like a headless chicken like Scott Parker. For most English folk, a DM means you must be "tough as nails" and make "bone crunching tackles". And because Carrick didn't play like Scott Parker or score like Lampard, most United and England supporters never really appreciated him. Many here will say they always loved Carrick but I can guarantee you that if we looked back at old threads we would see a bunch of those same people putting him down...
Not really no. I rate great footballers like Keane, Scholes, Modric, Pirlo, Zidane, Baggio etc
He's starting to get the rep he deserves these days after Flick took over and he amped up his assist numbers even further. However as a completely unbiased Müller fanboy I have to say that he doesn't get the legends worship he deserves. He's one of the greatest german players of all time, but because he's such a big meme his recognition seems to fall a little short still.
I rate him highly only because S. Aurier looks like Saurier, the german (short form) word for dinosaur.
Alright but how does Carrick fall into this topic of being rated by multiple managers? That's just a question as I haven't been following his international career closely.
Busquets was another level to Carrick. Or two. Carrick was a fine player with his limitations, Busquets has been consistently top top level player.
