Thought this thread was about Eric Dier after the comments from Conte yesterday...
Players fans don't rate but managers love them...
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Yes, that's exactly what I said.
Ridiculous. Bye.
Sorry, then I don’t get your point?Yes, that's exactly what I said.
As usual, context missed. Good riddance.
No. Gerrard was world class and one of the best midfielders of his generation. Which is also how he was generally rated when he was actually playing.
What about Mikael Silvestre? He played many games and a lot of fans (me included) were not excactly over the moon for it.
Has Victor been mentioned yet? There's some real nonsense by our 'fans' about him. Real nonsense, I tells ya.
As was Scholes as was Keane, Gerrard was a Roy of the rovers type so grabbed headlines more than probably Keane and Scholes...you obviously think he was a level above Scholes and probably think he was better than Keane but his best qualities were also part of the reason he wasn’t very successful in his career. Whilst Keane and Scholes understood it was team first.
Of course not, but was not what I said anyway. They won multiple titles with one John O’Shea and he played his part.
These people are insane. The moment you suggest managers aren’t infallible they try to purge you
Yes, that's exactly what I said.
Do you not know any shame?
Not as much as he should be when you see all the publicity votes like Balon d'Or, Fifa Awards etc.
His scoring numbers especially his assist numbers and shot-to-goal ratio are excellent - and he is much more a playmaker today than he used to be - he accumulates preassists, too. He commands the offense and the pressing and is the assistant coach on the pitch (Ghost matches really showed that but his coaches and teammates tell, too). He is the one that triggers the moves, who not only runs till the end but gets the wingers to do the same - it is the whole package of player and personality. And it is him they send out to the press whenever they lose or their is other trouble around the team.
About the coaches - they usually like him. Exception Kovac and to an extent Ancelotti, who just could not puzzle him good enough into his system. Here are the opinions of Klopp and Guardiola (after Süle, Schweinsteiger and Thiago) about him:
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Might as well shut down this website then as everything is just opinions and nobody is wrong
Pep said that the only player on United that would have made the starting 11 of his greatest team ever was Carrick. But what does Pep know. Obviously TheCaf knows more and Carrick was never that good...
Yeah that’s exactly the case I think, the aforementioned three were so dynamic and exciting that Giroud suffered in comparison. As you said there was something about him though, the Norwich Wilshere goal where he acted as a platform comes to mind. But considering what had come before and how static he was he could be very frustrating.
He was very good, from the Chelsea team after Hazard he was always the most dangerous player. His movement was very good too and very good link up player.
Sorry…but Pep said that Foden was his biggest talent that he’s ever managed.
If you agree with him then you must think Carrick was better than Scholes, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Ronaldo and Rooney. Absolute tosh.
You are if you honestly think Carrick was as good as Pirlo.
That’s a good point, while Giroud was technically very good as well, I’ve underestimated players in the past who might not have been flashy but had excellent positioning and movement. I think a lot of players who could be named in this thread probably often excel in the intangible qualities that aren’t as apparent. Both offensively and defensively it’s so useful to know what positions to pick up, when to make your move, when to hold etc.
Why are you comparing him to players in different positions? What Pep is saying is that Carrick would get in ahead of Busquets. So for Scholes to get in he'd have to take Iniesta or Xavi's spot. And so on and so on. I don't necessarily agree with what he had said, but it just shows how much under rated Carrick was with most United fans. Lets face it. Most English folk don't quite get it. They think midfielders have to be like Gerrard and Lampard. English folk will say Alonso and Pirlo were great, but if they were English I can guarantee you that they wouldn't feel that way. Want proof? Just look at Carrick. He was basically those players but was never truly appreciated by England and United fans...
Carrick was never as good as Busquets, he was a type of player dissimilar to what we normally see in that role in England, but so is Jorginho. Jorginho is not all of a sudden better than De Bruyne because he has a more refined style, or takes less risks.
And Pirlo isn’t really comparable to Carrick, he is more comparable to Veratti with less aggression and better long passing, he was a player who would dribble do fancy turns and all sorts of variety of passes so his quality was far more easy to spot out, Alonso is a bit closer in style but again even he had more expansive passing.Carrick was world class also, but still behind Pirlo Alonso and Busquets as far as deep lying playmakers go, I do agree that it should have been one of him Scholes/Hargreaves and one of Lampard and Gerrard for England though, I think he’s rated about right, top player but not as good as Lampard Gerrard or Scholes regardless of his more continental leaning style.
He really wasn't behind those other midfielders mentioned. He just wasn't appreciated as much as he would have been had he been Spanish or Italian. Let's face it...English folk don't know nearly as much about football as they think they do...
Knowing Pep it was probably a sarcastic comment because Carrick gifted Eto the goal in the 2009 Champions League Final.
Pep said he wants to have 1000 Dantes... and did not play him. He soon after left the club...
Just done some digging on this because you keep bleating on about it. These stories came out in 2017 when Carrick was retiring just before his last derby. In his press conference Pep was asked about the English players at United and heaped praise on Carrick, then Rashford and Lingard were mentioned, he went on to talk about Pogba.
A few newspapers ran the headline that day about Carrick being the only player (from that squad) who would make his Barcelona side but I’ve watched the full presser and embargoed section and he never actually says that in that press conference. He says how good he feels Carrick is, but nothing about Barcelona.
In the same interview he said ‘England is safe because of Lingard’
Sorry but can you get me the clip of him actually saying this, and in what context he said it, because these headlines don’t match here what was said by Pep in this presser….so I’m guessing the media perhaps peiced two stories together or else they made up a headline loosely around some comments from Pep.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/pep-guardiola-says-michael-carrick-10307986
Fred was the first name I thought of for this thread. I dont have anything against Fred personally (he's a tidy little player tbf), its just really frustrating that a club like ours (or any pro club really!) should be playing someone as a DM who cant tackle, its embarrassing. Yes he has a great engine, yes his first touch is really good, but he isnt a DM simple as. Two MOM's under Ralf playing more as a CM doesnt lie though, albeit against lesser teams.
I’m guessing you can’t find the actual quote?
I don’t think he actually said it. I can’t find it anywhere?
Apart from Valencia all British/Irish...alot of them homegrown...
There is a lot of anti-english/British amongst our fanbase.
You won't find a Bayern supporter who not at least likes him. Most love him. Even Schweinsteiger had more critics. No one liked Kroos though.
Somehow Jordan Ayew keeps starting for Crystal Palace even though I rarely see him doing something of note. Abysmal scoring record and whenever he gets the ball it seems that he's made a diagonal run towards the corner flag and passes it back to the full back. Keeps starting so I guess he must be doing something right, but apart from decent but not noteworthy work rate I can't really see what he offers.
James Milner springs to mind. Cheated a living for years
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Fair play to him that he didn't post some cringey pictures of himself in a Christmas onesie like some of his colleagues.
David Luiz is surely the man for this thread.
In the mould of Mings too he's a truly awful defender for a so-called elite.
Just awful and appears to be a fave of managers.
In the mould of Mings too he's a truly awful defender for a so-called elite.
Just awful and appears to be a fave of managers.