If we go for Poch we'll have to let Amadaeus return. So careful what you wish for.
Pochettino | Leaves Chelsea by mutual consent
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No worries. The player can despair on the 8 years left on his contract then.
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Chelsea got into a cup final, lost in another SF(against the same team that beat United in the final last year), and as for the league - reference the "less individual talent". They pretty much put in the same performances, United just didn't have guys missing sitters. More in general, both teams were largely really good, except for like 5-6 games - but in those games they were not merely bad, they looked amateurish
This appointment ranks only slightly above Southgate for me. With ETH we had a young up and coming coach who could have taken us somewhere (still might). With Poch we know exactly what we're getting, mediocrity.
I had assumed when this news broke that De Zerbi was nailed on for Chelsea, but all the talk this morning from reliable outlets seems to be McKenna/Frank as front runners (Kompany, Maresca and Michel also mentioned occasionally).
Given that Poch didn't want as much structure above him it's pretty clear he would be an awful appointment.
One condition of employing Poch,bring Cole Palmer!
Are Bayern in for him?
Seems a bit of no brainier and they've exhausted every other option. Vincent Kompany is levels below.
I would rather have Tuchel than Poch.
Interesting, I thought he would get another season after how the team performed after Christmas. Felt they had turned a corner and were looking much better.
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He will have the next 7 years to ponder it fully.
I doubt it since he's been shite under Poch. We looked massively better without him, which can't be good when we spend 120m+ on him.cheeky punt on Enzo Fernandez?
My guess is whoever the new coach big objective will be to change the midfield so he doesn't look shite anymore. I just hope we don't sell Gallagher, given he's our captain, plays every game and covers a lot of distance every game, similar for Chalobah.
I probably would as well. Tuchel is more likely to fallout with a couple of players, however he's also a hell of a lot more likely to finish top 4 and win some trophies.
Ahhhhh my new owners. Not just poor decisions for the team in general, but pissing off your best player in the process.
If they were to sign McKenna, Palmer is, for real, gonna think our next manager knows less than the third best assistant he played for under Pep.
I know I’ve posted this ad nauseum for the last 24 hrs… but the most massive blow in all this is to the players. They were led to believe they could accomplish something for Poch. They finally came together and had their moment of resolve, mentally , to be a singular ly dedicated unit; to one purpose.
And we just told them it was all a laugh. We absolutely did tell them the whole “Plan” and the process it’s supposed to be…. seems like a laugh.
Im reminded of the video games again and wonder if one of the owners is thinking “it may be a little rocky, but if we hit the right player discussions we will be back from Yellow to Green in no time!”
I do not think this was Boehly btw. He endured downright ridicule sticking to his “plan” for the Dodgers before the project came good. Eghbali (sp?) is my primary suspect. We were told the primary owners were ‘split’ on this.
Tuchel is the guy you hire after someone like Poch has spent 2 or 3 years building a quality, cohesive group… and just can’t get them over the final jump to titles.
He does not have the patience to handle and bring along Madueke the way Poch did, for instance.
ETH is 54 and Poch is 52
I never mentioned anything about ten hag, and me not wanting Poch doesn't mean I want ten hag to stay, I just don't think Poch is good enough, I think he's a tier below who we should be looking at.
What exactly is it that isn't true? We haven't spent 8 out of 9 months this season faffing about in the bottom half?
I hear you on some of those mitigating factors but I think you're being a bit overdramatic saying it tells the players nothing they did really mattered. You could argue removing Poch now is the club trying to make sure the work they did over the season does not get wasted by having to find a new manager mid-season. We also don't know why Poch was let go. I've certainly not seen anything that says it was definitely performance related. It is my opinion that his performance this season deserved the sack, but the noise coming out of the club mentions something different entirely.
Full disclosure here, I think had he stayed he would have been sacked 10-20 games into next season, so for me starting fresh with a new manager before preseason is more preferable than having another season disrupted by another mid-season managerial change.
There's a few posters fawning so much over Poch at the moment that I think they might actually be Amadeus!
We had a player advantage over Liverpool during the start of extra time and he pulled back an attack that was working to play the entire extra time for a draw. When asked about that decision he threw it on the players saying the lads wanted to play for PKs.
I thought he would get another season, but it does not bother me he is gone. He has always been a serial loser when it comes to finals. We need someone who goes after big wins instead of some scared to lose.
Both are young in managerial terms. ETH was young and up and coming. Poch is just young.ETH is 54 and Poch is 52
52 is the new 30
What were Pep and Nagelsmann when coming through by your terms then? Toddlers?
Yeah, poster was saying don't go for Poch, stay with ETH who is young and upcoming, whereas in fact Poch is younger!
That's what I'm saying.
PS it was also Poch that knocked ETH out of the Champions League semi, when ETH was at his best Ajax having their best CL season.
ETH is also just “young” now. Not so much that up and coming hot prospect
According to reports Boehly was keen on retaining Pochettino whereas equally influential co-owner Behdad Eghbali wasn't
That last paragraph is why I wonder if he fits into what INEOS are trying to implement, having said that he doesn't have the supposed character concerns they would probably have about appointing Tuchel.
I wasn't saying ETH was better because he was younger. He was the hot prospect of European football when we hired him. Poch hasn't been that for years, if ever. He's always been a bit average.
Tuchel's last 3 jobs: PSG, Chelsea, Bayern. After PSG and Chelsea, maybe i'ts time for Poch to join Bayern now as well.
Another rash decision in my opinion. He was turning that ship around a little and they were not even boring to watch for a change. Too much instability over there.
Ah, ok, my bad.
So it's not De Zerbi then. Still feel we're going to get him.
ETH is older of the 2, and we also know what we're getting with him...disfunction, failure and terrible style of play.
Poch is not at the top of the game, but he is far above the likes of Southgate. Right now we need a good pair of hands that can steady the ship, compete and improve/modernise the performances. Tuchel/Poch are ideal candidates for that role, even if they're only here for 2/3 years. That gives time for the true young (not a mid 50s baldy), up and coming managers to set themselves apart and we can pick a safer bet.
No wonder Tuchel fell out with them. Boehly trying to force his famous 443 formation onto him.
Honestly, a lot of this stuff feels like noise. Whenever something happens at Chelsea it seems like every journo in the country wants a piece of the pie with an angle or narrative they're desperate to get people outraged about.