Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

[RkkMan]

Ancelotti is in the elite and is retiring

Conte, Tuchel, Simeone, Mancini, Enrique, Flick, Emery all agree.

Galtier, ETH.

Galtier - how? Is this purely based off winning Ligue 1 once? He won a cup back in the day with Saint Etienne but this seems very revisionist i.e. he won the league the year Poch joined mid season and therefore he is better. PSG look much better this season but let's see how they do in the CL later stages.
ETH - as much as I hope this is true, we can't become RAWK and avoid any kind of logic when assessing our own manager. We don't really know how good or bad ETH will be but his CL run is always lauded as proof of how good he was and Poch knocked him out to reach the final. Managing Ajax doesn't give us a huge amount of insight into his abilities, yes he got them back to winning the league regularly but they are the powerhouse team and De Boer won 4 titles in a row a few years before before completely flopping outside of Holland. We hope he's going to be incredible but I struggle to put him above Poch right this second if football ended today in terms of achievements, maybe I'm undervaluing the Eredivisie but I don't see it.

You still have 3 to name in my mind.

You're massively undervaluing Ten Hag.
Ajax aside what he did at Ultrecht was majorly majorly impressive if you've read it up. Far more impressive than what Pochettino did at Southampton. He got a relegation threatened Eredevisie Team to successive top 5 finishes and European Places something they hadn't achieved for years while playing beautiful football and losing key players in the process something Pochettino never experienced at Southampton or Spurs. The one time Pochettino had a good squad to work with at PSG he failed badly which has shown he's poor at managing egos and would have likely failed if he was managing a selling club due to poor adaptation to new personnel
Now looking at Ajax Ten over the last 3yrs Liverpool at Anfield is the ONLY away CL game he's lost and he's lost two games away from home in Europe in like 27 games. Pochettino's away record on the other hand in Europe is abysmal last season's capitation at Madrid an example. Ten Hag's Ajax team played better football than Pochettino's and while Spurs did beat them in the semis there's a reason Ajax are remembered more fondly from that CL Campaign than Spurs having knocked out Madrid and Juventus and giving Bayern run arounds in the group stages
Despite losing many key players over a 3yr span Ajax were still regulars in Europe and winning titles. You generically mentioned De Boer as a comparison but you can ask ANY Ajax fan and they'll tell you Ten Hag's football was a hell lot more enjoyable than De Boer's who never got past a CL Group stage mind you. I can't find that article now but metric were compared of Ten Hag and De Boer's Ajax careers of points per game, goals scored, goals conceded per game etc Ten Hag completely obliterates De Boer in every metric statistically
Ten Hag is also the fastest Ajax manager to hit 100 league wins
Long post but just needed to add important information on Ten Hag to give you the correct picture of him

 

[TheGame]

Reckon he could go to Juventus if they sack Allegri or even a club like Leipzig who have been hit and miss this season.

 

[horsechoker]

He's like your mum

Nobody wants him.

 

[vangagal]

In Italy, he is reputed below Sarri and above Inzaghi… and I’m not considering managers you would happily call past-it like Mourinho, Allegri and even Spalletti. If you like, AC Milan are living their Poch-like cycle with Pioli these days, and their current CL campaign would set his bar at international level: he is expected to make the QFs and then who knows, anyone can fluke a CL final or semifinal in his golden year.

Interesting. Are you suggest that that this year Napoli just decent but nothing special(granted is just September now) and his best work was that Totti's Roma years ago?

 

[tomaldinho1]

In Italy, he is reputed below Sarri and above Inzaghi… and I’m not considering managers you would happily call past-it like Mourinho, Allegri and even Spalletti. If you like, AC Milan are living their Poch-like cycle with Pioli these days, and their current CL campaign would set his bar at international level: he is expected to make the QFs and then who knows, anyone can fluke a CL final or semifinal in his golden year.

I can see the historical case for Sarri, although seeing him struggle in the PL with a good Chelsea team and then watching his Juve team makes me wonder. He's clearly achieved more as a manager than Inzaghi, he shouldn't even be in the conversation.

 

[Bepi]

Interesting. Are you suggest that that this year Napoli just decent but nothing special(granted is just September now) and his best work was that Totti's Roma years ago?

Spalletti is a nutter who cannot keep his mouth shut and often undoes himself at the last mile, but he consistently overperforms in the most challenging environments. More recently, he became a specialist in keeping volcanos quiet… defusing Totti on his last leg was a masterclass. This Napoli’s instalment might finally get him a big reward, like his friends Sarri (with Juve) and Ranieri (with Leicester) at the twilight of their careers.

 

[USREDEVIL]

He's like your mum

Nobody wants him.

Makes a mean rum cake though.

 

[vangagal]

Spalletti is a nutter who cannot keep his mouth shut and often undoes himself at the last mile, but he consistently overperforms in the most challenging environments. More recently, he became a specialist in keeping volcanos quiet… defusing Totti on his last leg was a masterclass. This Napoli’s instalment might finally get him a big reward, like his friends Sarri (with Juve) and Ranieri (with Leicester) at the twilight of their careers.

I dont know anything about his personality tbh. Still prefer him than Poch though. His team was/is more fun to watch than Poch's.

 

[Bepi]

I can see the historical case for Sarri, although seeing him struggle in the PL with a good Chelsea team and then watching his Juve team makes me wonder. He's clearly achieved more as a manager than Inzaghi, he shouldn't even be in the conversation.

Yes, Inzaghi is failing his first big job (the Inter he inherited from Conte was the PSG of Italy), but he had a very good spell with Lazio. I would not be surprised at all to see him at Juventus next year, with Allegri going the other side.

 

[DWelbz19]

He's like your mum

Nobody wants him.

Spoiler

 

[tomaldinho1]

You're massively undervaluing Ten Hag.
Ajax aside what he did at Ultrecht was majorly majorly impressive if you've read it up. Far more impressive than what Pochettino did at Southampton. He got a relegation threatened Eredevisie Team to successive top 5 finishes and European Places something they hadn't achieved for years while playing beautiful football and losing key players in the process something Pochettino never experienced at Southampton or Spurs. The one time Pochettino had a good squad to work with at PSG he failed badly which has shown he's poor at managing egos and would have likely failed if he was managing a selling club due to poor adaptation to new personnel
Now looking at Ajax Ten over the last 3yrs Liverpool at Anfield is the ONLY away CL game he's lost and he's lost two games away from home in Europe in like 27 games. Pochettino's away record on the other hand in Europe is abysmal last season's capitation at Madrid an example. Ten Hag's Ajax team played better football than Pochettino's and while Spurs did beat them in the semis there's a reason Ajax are remembered more fondly from that CL Campaign than Spurs having knocked out Madrid and Juventus and giving Bayern run arounds in the group stages
Despite losing many key players over a 3yr span Ajax were still regulars in Europe and winning titles. You generically mentioned De Boer as a comparison but you can ask ANY Ajax fan and they'll tell you Ten Hag's football was a hell lot more enjoyable than De Boer's who never got past a CL Group stage mind you. I can't find that article now but metric were compared of Ten Hag and De Boer's Ajax careers of points per game, goals scored, goals conceded per game etc Ten Hag completely obliterates De Boer in every metric statistically
Ten Hag is also the fastest Ajax manager to hit 100 league wins
Long post but just needed to add important information on Ten Hag to give you the correct picture of him

I'm not sure Utrech trumps Soton - I think it's fair to say Eredivisie is less competitive and Utrecht weren't relegation threatened by any stretch of the imagination, they finished 11th, 10th, 5th, 11th in the seasons before ETH came in. Both short stints by both managers were impressive. I have no doubt ETH is a better manager than De Boer but that doesn't change the latter won 4 titles on the spin.

Any manager who manages a dominant team, I personally just don't rate as highly until I see them somewhere where they actually have to create something against adversity - that's why managers like Mourinho with his two trebles, SAF pre United, Simeone breaking the duopoly of La Liga will always be the most impressive in my opinion. I like what I have seen from ETH so far, I really hope the positive trend continues but I also fear that he is no longer in the well oiled Ajax machine and in a much more difficult league, I don't see anything in your answer above that makes me think otherwise.

 

[horsechoker]

Makes a mean rum cake though.

Poch or your mum?

Spoiler

Needs a Poch edit

 

[tomaldinho1]

Yes, Inzaghi is failing his first big job (the Inter he inherited from Conte was the PSG of Italy), but he had a very good spell with Lazio. I would not be surprised at all to see him at Juventus next year, with Allegri going the other side.

But you wouldn't put him anywhere near a top 10 of the best current managers whereas I think Pochettino gets into most - I don't have an issue with Mou being rated above Poch, I doubt he will ever hit the peak he was at but I can still see him picking up good cup wins, who knows maybe he will win Serie A.

Serie A looks really fun for the neutral this year, reckon it will be a very tight season. If Roma stay in touching distance, you can expect Mou to go after Spalletti guns blazing to get a reaction.

 

[Bepi]

But you wouldn't put him anywhere near a top 10 of the best current managers whereas I think Pochettino gets into most - I don't have an issue with Mou being rated above Poch, I doubt he will ever hit the peak he was at but I can still see him picking up good cup wins, who knows maybe he will win Serie A.

Serie A looks really fun for the neutral this year, reckon it will be a very tight season. If Roma stay in touching distance, you can expect Mou to go after Spalletti guns blazing to get a reaction.

You know, I have been posting on RedCafe for six years… being from different shores, there are fundamental differences in how Italians see football… Inzaghi is still learning his trade at the very top and will have another chance… while Poch is in the nowhereland atm, and his best bet imho is……. drum rolling…….. back at Spurs!

 

[RkkMan]

I'm not sure Utrech trumps Soton - I think it's fair to say Eredivisie is less competitive and Utrecht weren't relegation threatened by any stretch of the imagination, they finished 11th, 10th, 5th, 11th in the seasons before ETH came in. Both short stints by both managers were impressive. I have no doubt ETH is a better manager than De Boer but that doesn't change the latter won 4 titles on the spin.

Any manager who manages a dominant team, I personally just don't rate as highly until I see them somewhere where they actually have to create something against adversity - that's why managers like Mourinho with his two trebles, SAF pre United, Simeone breaking the duopoly of La Liga will always be the most impressive in my opinion. I like what I have seen from ETH so far, I really hope the positive trend continues but I also fear that he is no longer in the well oiled Ajax machine and in a much more difficult league, I don't see anything in your answer above that makes me think otherwise.

He was a DOF AND manager at Ultrecht if you weren't aware so he'll have no problem being in a different type of set up to Ajax
Like I said research more about his past and fully contextualize it
And it was more impressive because he actually got Ultrecht punching above their weight over a sustained period under harder circumstances than Pochettino at Southampton where he completed only one full season

 

[tomaldinho1]

He was a DOF AND manager at Ultrecht if you weren't aware so he'll have no problem being in a different type of set up to Ajax
Like I said research more about his past and fully contextualize it
And it was more impressive because he actually got Ultrecht punching above their weight over a sustained period under harder circumstances than Pochettino at Southampton where he completed only one full season

I already know that - I can also use Google.

You’re so keen to try to give praise you aren’t realising him being DoF and coach is detrimental to your point, it’s easier to have more control. United is a notoriously hard place to be successful because of the structure and leadership, so essentially as you’re nicely pointing out for me, he’s come from Utrech where he basically had total control, to Ajax where, until Overmars had to leave, were about as well oiled a management team as you could find, to United who are a notoriously difficult place for managers, in the last months alone we have sacked off Ragnick, sacked our chief scouts and have a new CEO.

As I said, noting you are saying changes he has never had success outside of the Dutch league and his great success was in the powerhouse team. It’s not a slight against him, that’s just the path his career has taken.

 

[The Boy]

Thread title needs a change.

Though I would have been interested to see Poch at Brighton, he was never in the running and I am extremely happy with De Zerbi

 

[Cloud7]

You know, I have been posting on RedCafe for six years… being from different shores, there are fundamental differences in how Italians see football… Inzaghi is still learning his trade at the very top and will have another chance… while Poch is in the nowhereland atm, and his best bet imho is……. drum rolling…….. back at Spurs!

This is a point a lot of people are missing and one that I have tried to make before. Poch at PSG showed that, as he is right now, he is out of place at a big club. Most big clubs endeavor to have a positive manager, and as many of our resident PSG fans have said, his football during his stint there was anything but positive and attractive. Added to that, he's not really won that much, so you would then wonder why exactly would a big club look at hiring him, when they can either go for a more exciting prospect, a more promising up and comer, or someone more established at the top. The issue with Poch is that he doesn't really fit into any of these categories. He is something of a middle ground of all of them. He is by no means a bad manager, but he also, at this point, isn't one of the best around, nor does he show many signs of becoming one of the best around. If "safe, stable" manager had a face, for me it would be Poch. In the PL for example, he would likely always get you fourth place, but he's unlikely to ever actually challenge for the league.

Nowhereland is a good way to put it.

 

[little.triangles]

PSG was the wrong choice as a club to go to. He should have known that he would need to win the CL to be considered a success there, and winning the CL is not a guarantee for any club outside of Real Madrid in recent years. His stock was high, and he should have waited for a club like Juve or Inter where expectations would have been to do well in the league. Heck, even Madrid might have taken a punt at him above Ancelloti in 2021 if he was available. He could have failed there, but at least he would have had the experience of managing a superclub (unlike plastic PSG).

I can see him ending up at a club like Newcastle though if Howe keeps drawing games, but there he would have players far less talented than what he is used to.

 

[Bepi]

he should have waited for a club like Juve or Inter where expectations would have been to do well in the league. Heck, even Madrid might have taken a punt at him above Ancelloti in 2021 if he was available.

He was never in real consideration for any of these jobs, though… apart of a media darling effect, his stock was always flat: neither fish yet (elite manager to win now) nor flesh any more (uprising manager to overperform), irrespective of the name of the club.

 

[DJ_21]

Thread title needs a change.

Though I would have been interested to see Poch at Brighton, he was never in the running and I am extremely happy with De Zerbi

I think he’ll do well with yous. How does is style of play compare to potters?

 

[Samid]

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[DomesticTadpole]

There will be some right old weeping and wailing from some on here if he comes back to the PL and it's Villa.

 

[horsechoker]

He will finish above United if he takes over at Villa and Eric Ten Hack (haha get it?) will be pelted with tomatoes in the streets of Manchester and we get to all complain on the caf.

 

[Samid]

He will finish above United if he takes over at Villa and Eric Ten Hack (haha get it?) will be pelted with tomatoes in the streets of Manchester and we get to all complain on the caf.

Wrong account Wolfgang.

 

[ForeverRed1]

Very ambitious move from villa.

 

[horsechoker]

Wrong account Wolfgang.

Sorry forgot I wasn't in the Pochettino shrine room.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Poch or Starfish?

Yeah, I haven't exactly been a Poch fanboy ever since he became a candidate for the United job, but between the pair of 'em, it's pretty obvious who I'd prefer.

(And no, that isn't just Starfish's unfortunate history as a player. He has done nothing whatsoever to indicate that he's a better managerial choice than Poch.)

 

[Scroto Baggins]

Thought maybe Everton or Brighton would have gone in for him, if he is interested in coming back to the PL that is. I certainly do not see him at Villa, he is a very good, not great, manager. Oh and maybe Newcastle, they are flush with cash these days.

 

[Samid]

Bookies favorite now that Slippy is gone.

 

[dpansheth]

suitable job for him, underdog & no preference to a style of football as long as results going his way.

 

[leontas]

Would like to see him back in the Prem. Good role for him. They have a talented squad.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

If Conte and Ancelotti can manage Spurs and Everton, I don't see any reason why not. As a manager one should be able to deal with the challenge of a job with different kind of budget and expectation.

 

[Samid]

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[Semper Fudge]

He's rapidly slipping down the pecking order for potential suitors.

 

[P-Ro]

If he wants a top job where you can be successful without winning anything then he should hold out for England.

 

[FootballHQ]

It's obvious now he's thinking Spurs job will become available at some point in next six months and he'll have his emotional homecoming.

Levy probably thinks Kane will sign a new 5 year deal with no buyout clause the second that happens so worth a try.

 

[Slevs]

Does he still have a cult on this site?

 

[The Corinthian]

Does he still have a cult on this site?

There’s a typo there, but yes it’s @Amadaeus.

 

[Wilt]

Waiting for the Spurs job