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Yet another pragmatic coach for us. Sigh
That's simply not true. Poch's Spurs was always in top 3 in GD, one time he even got a GD of 60+, that's only been matched by Liverpool and City post-SAF. What exactly do you want here? Your arguments against Poch don't really make any sense. It's like you're determined to hate him and tryng to find every excuse under the sun in order to have a valid reason to dislike him.Like I said to the other guy, the possession was like the possession we had under LvG,
I never said anything about Atletico in possession, I said Simeone is a bland manager and so is Pochettino, I said they both favoured strong defensive structure as a priority and used lots of counter attacking, I said both approach big games negatively, all of which is true. It's got feck all to do with making Ten Hag look good, anyone with eyes can see his Ajax team play much better football than any Pochettino side, and yes I know Pochettino beat him, that's not the debate. I don't see us toppling City or Liverpool any time soon no matter who our manager is, I'd just like to be entertained while we try and Pochettino sides don't entertain me, and I'd love a manager that at least approached the big games with an intention to dominate as opposed to retreating and hoping to snatch something on the break, Ten Hag would bring that, Poch wont, it'll be more of what we've had for years when we play City, Liverpool or Chelsea in the league and any good team in Europe.You said Atletico was bland in possession like controlling the ball was ever in their aim, they've always been a counter-attacking team. The closest example would be Jose's Inter. And yes, Spurs were good in possession. They regularly dominated other teams via the ball, were active and scored a lot of goals. Only ones that I would consider better at the time were Guardiola's City. Sure, you prefer Ten Hag, but let's not rewrite history here to make Poch look bad and Ten Hag look good. I remember back in the day everyone raving about Poch and how magnificient his Spurs team is. Now suddenly they're shit, not good enough, park the bus team. Ridiculous.
Ten Hag isn't Pep. Unfortunately there is no option at that level. ETH is surprisingly older than both Poch and Pep too, yet is spoke about like the up and coming manager.So you would want him over Ten Hag then, terrified he ends up replacing Pep at City in next couple of years.
Again equating goals across a season with being entertaining, Real Madrid had a record goal scoring season under Mourinho and I still thought they were boring compared to Barcelona and Dortmund of that period, it's like I'm sure Chelsea will score twice as many goals as Brighton and Leeds but if it was a choice between watching the 3 I'd prefer either of the latter. What I want is to actually enjoy watching us play and to have a style that is entertaining and can be used on the front foot in big games, I'm sick of passive, fetal position approaches any time we play someone good because we don't have a manager with the vision or belief in what his team can do, instead surrendering our game to try and nullify the oppositions strengths.That's simply not true. Poch's Spurs was always in top 3 in GD, one time he even got a GD of 60+, that's only been matched by Liverpool and City post-SAF. What exactly do you want here? Your arguments against Poch don't really make any sense. It's like you're determined to hate him and tryng to find every excuse under the sun in order to have a valid reason to dislike him.
To each his own. To me that Mourinho team was absolutely devastating and way more exciting than the already stale outdated tiki-taka shit. Don't know if you remember, but even casuals were calling Pep's Barcelona boring at that point because the did much of what you've just complained about. But as I said - to each his own. I myself have always been more of a fan of SAF/Klopp's rock n roll football than Pep's orchestra. Everyone has their taste.Again equating goals across a season with being entertaining, Real Madrid had a record goal scoring season under Mourinho and I still thought they were boring compared to Barcelona and Dortmund of that period
Yeah that particular Madrid team were incredible to watch. And honestly Pep these days has a much more enjoyable style than he did back at Barca. Those teams were unbeatable but it did seem like in later years they simply toyed with the opposition trying to walk the ball in and keeping possession basically the whole game.To each his own. To me that Mourinho team was absolutely devastating and way more exciting than the already stale outdated tiki-taka shit. Don't know if you remember, but even casuals were calling Pep's Barcelona boring at that point because the did much of what you've just complained about. But as I said - to each his own. I myself have always been more of a fan of SAF/Klopp's rock n roll football than Pep's orchestra. Everyone has their taste.
The Mourinho team was not more exciting than Pep’s Barca, stop this madness please.To each his own. To me that Mourinho team was absolutely devastating and way more exciting than the already stale outdated tiki-taka shit. Don't know if you remember, but even casuals were calling Pep's Barcelona boring at that point because the did much of what you've just complained about. But as I said - to each his own. I myself have always been more of a fan of SAF/Klopp's rock n roll football than Pep's orchestra. Everyone has their taste.
The dressing room at PSG is unfindable while Poch gave up on the players at Spurs before they gave up on him. He was happy to leave. He'd definitely have something to prove at Utd, both to the players and the club. But I bet he can't sleep for bubonically creaming himself at the imminent prospect this very nighttime.Poch lost the dressing room quite quick at PSG, eventually at spurs too. He wouldn't last long with our players either.
" Each [of Poch's teams] could switch formations depending on the circumstances unfolding or the demands of a specific opponent – both while with and without possession."
Yeah looking at the article makes me definitely warm to him potentially becoming our manager. I will just have to suck it up if Ten Hag ends up at one of our rivals." Each [of Poch's teams] could switch formations depending on the circumstances unfolding or the demands of a specific opponent – both while with and without possession."
Well, we haven't seen that for a while so if he can only do this he'll be an upgrade on almost every manager post-SAF.
I don't recall him losing the dressing room at Spurs to any significant extent. They had a season that wasn't quite as good as the preceding three, where he had them playing some fantastic football and finished above City twice, including a season where they scored the most goals in the league and conceded the least. Then results dipped for a time and they had the opportunity to get Mourinho and went for it. Mourinho signed the day after Poch left. It was a business decision, not a case of the manager having outstayed his welcome. They came closer to winning the league than they have since the stone age, and they hoped that Mourinho might be the one to take them the last step of the way. It wasn't one of those untenable position situations.Poch lost the dressing room quite quick at PSG, eventually at spurs too. He wouldn't last long with our players either.
Yeah people constantly mock him for finishing 3rd in that 15/16 season. They shouldn't have been thrashed at Newcastle but clearly their heads went after the Chelsea game.I don't recall him losing the dressing room at Spurs to any significant extent. They had a season that wasn't quite as good as the preceding three, where he had them playing some fantastic football and finished above City twice, including a season where they scored the most goals in the league and conceded the least. Then they had the opportunity to get Mourinho and went for it. Mourinho signed the day after Poch left. They came closer to winning the league than they have since the stone age, and they hoped that Mourinho might be the one to take them the last step of the way. Poch wasn't sacked in the "get out, we've had enough" sense. Spurs just tried to go for an upgrade. And by the way, as soon as he left, they plummeted right back to the 6th-7th place territory from which he had elevated them. He did a fantastic job at Spurs, and as soon as Mourinho didn't deliver, many of their fans bemoaned the loss of Poch.
As far as losing the dressing room at PSG, I don't remember the last time any coach really "had" the dressing room there. That club is unmanageable. The director and owner make all the real decisions and the head coach just oversees training and picks the team sheet. In an environment like that, no manager can be expected to command the respect of a bunch of notorious divas and superstars who led it get to their heads. In my book, it says nothing at all about the manager. PSG is a circus kept afloat by bottomless coffers.
Zidane doesn't want to come. Time to move on.Please, not him.
Zidane is the man!
That's the appeal over Zinedine Zidane. Poch seems to really want the job unlike Zidane who doesn't fancy it. I definetly pick the guy who really wants the job every day of the week.I could get behind him.
Especially if he goes on and leaves PSG for us.
I'd appreciate that. That's some commitment alright.
Yeah his clear appetite for the job is definitely making my own little head to head with Ten Hag much closerThat's the appeal over Zinedine Zidane. Poch seems to really want the job unlike Zidane who doesn't fancy it. I definetly pick the guy who really wants the job every day of the week.
That Barcelona team was so good that teams were frightened of them and just sat ten deep which meant zero space with 20 players crammed into half the pitch at times. I remember Xavi saying it was hard to be exciting as teams weren't playing against them and asking "are we supposed to give them possession?". I prefer Klopp to Pep as well but Poch is neither Metallica or Mozart, he's more like Lionel Richie.To each his own. To me that Mourinho team was absolutely devastating and way more exciting than the already stale outdated tiki-taka shit. Don't know if you remember, but even casuals were calling Pep's Barcelona boring at that point because the did much of what you've just complained about. But as I said - to each his own. I myself have always been more of a fan of SAF/Klopp's rock n roll football than Pep's orchestra. Everyone has their taste.
His appetite is to get out of PSG moreso than specifically to come here though, we are just the only current pathway out he's got.Yeah his clear appetite for the job is definitely making my own little head to head with Ten Hag much closer
I think Ten Hag is the more progressive appointment. He has the potential, and I underline the word potential, to rival the very top managers. I think Pochettino is a little short of that but I would say he’s a slightly safer bet.The longer the caf goes without a "Poch-now-vs-Ten-Hag-guaranteed-at-end-of-season" poll, the more the Glazers get to feel 'Poch now' must be good enough.
I'd go with that, too.
Which would you choose between:
1. Poch now
2. Rangnick now and Ten Hag guaranteed at the end of the season.
Do you think you could give them FIFA player card-type scores? (AKA ETH 90, Poch 86 that sort of thing.)
True but what really puts me off about Zidane is that he isn't interested in coming here. That really puts me off.His appetite is to get out of PSG moreso than specifically to come here though, we are just the only current pathway out he's got.
Still willing to give him a chance to show me he can find the Pochettino of 2015-2017 again at this club. Yes I know that you are cold towards him which I get because Ten Hag looks like he could be specialHis appetite is to get out of PSG moreso than specifically to come here though, we are just the only current pathway out he's got.
Yeah I can't disagree with that and it would be my ideal solution IF we can't get Pochettino in the next few weeks. However if he's willing to push for a deal then going to fully get on board with the appointment.I think Ten Hag is the more progressive appointment. He has the potential, and I underline the word potential, to rival the very top managers. I think Pochettino is a little short of that but I would say he’s a slightly safer bet.
If you absolutely put me on the spot I would take Ragnick now and Ten Hag in the summer. Also in the hope Ragnick impressed, moved to a DOF role and dovetailed well with Ten Hag.
As for ratings, little clue. Maybe Poch with a PA of 180 and a CA of 175 and Ten Hag with a CA of 170 and a PA of 185. But I feel kind of silly even saying that. For reference I’d give Klopp and Guardiola 190. Numbers are irrelevant. It’s the concept.
Solid point. I often overlook Greenwood which is criminal. He's got potential and in the hands of Poch I'm sure he'll reach that next level.Ah Ronaldo as amazing as he can be is 36, I think he has a purpose but we have a lot of youth up front as well as Cavani. We have a lot of options upfront for someone brave enough to try them.
This is what I was hoping for as well. Whatever happens I hope the club get the best possible appointment. We shouldn't settle for anything less than the best in all departments. If there's a tea lady with a Champions League winning medal, get her. All staff at the club should be best in class.I think Ten Hag is the more progressive appointment. He has the potential, and I underline the word potential, to rival the very top managers. I think Pochettino is a little short of that but I would say he’s a slightly safer bet.
If you absolutely put me on the spot I would take Ragnick now and Ten Hag in the summer. Also in the hope Ragnick impressed, moved to a DOF role and dovetailed well with Ten Hag.
As for ratings, little clue. Maybe Poch with a PA of 180 and a CA of 175 and Ten Hag with a CA of 170 and a PA of 185. But I feel kind of silly even saying that. For reference I’d give Klopp and Guardiola 190. Numbers are irrelevant. It’s the concept.
Oh I don't want Zidane either, I think he doesn't want to live in England period, plus I could never tell what his managerial style was, he had an incredible squad, charisma and an aura about him that players responded to, and his knack for in-game adjustments in the big matches was impressive, but week to week his Real Madrid team were just a functional unit with incredible midfielders and killers up top, there wasn't a distinctive style of play.True but what really puts me off about Zidane is that he isn't interested in coming here. That really puts me off.
I just don't think he's going to bring the type of football I want to see regardless, and if we are just going to settle for boring football and hope for success to offset it then we might as well have went for Conte who is boring but has actually won major trophies.Still willing to give him a chance to show me he can find the Pochettino of 2015-2017 again at this club. Yes I know that you are cold towards him which I get because Ten Hag looks like he could be special
Some folks want to compare what Ten Hags done at Ajax to what SAF did at Aberdeen!!!What a joke!Don't think it's comparable to what Fergie did with Aberdeen to be honest.
Ah, right.Yeah until Zidane takes over at PSG shortly after.
Yes unless Zidane joins PSGIf Poch came here, would he be the only manager ever to have managed both Messi and Ronaldo?
I don't think that's the case. He's always been interested in the United job. The fact that he wants it now I think is a big plus for you because he's got lots of Premier League and Champions League experience and he works well with young players.His appetite is to get out of PSG moreso than specifically to come here though, we are just the only current pathway out he's got.
Not gonna happen. City know Pep is leaving and they will have a replacement plan. They laid groundwork for Pep. May put similar work by getting what Ten Haag wants at the club to get him.I would be happy with Poch taking over Man Utd with a three year contract and ten Hag staying at Ajax!
For me City are going for Enrique.Not gonna happen. City know Pep is leaving and they will have a replacement plan. They laid groundwork for Pep. May put similar work by getting what Ten Haag wants at the club to get him.
If he a new manager comes in and fecks up big time then we'll sack him. That's what we did with failures including the last one who spent 415m and won nothing. Former Players FC and the University of Bristol mob linger because they are unaccountable. We thought that we'll see the back of them with Ole's sacking and Woodward leaving. It wasn't the case at least since the time of writing.Not sure I buy that. Getting in the wrong manager is the biggest risk. Another Mourinho would destroy us!
No point in trying to convince those that already made up their minds on Poch. Context doesn't matter to them, never mind the fact that Tuchel underperformed at PSG, and then joined Chelsea and won the feckin UCL. They will keep on babbling about no trophies, can't even win Ligue 1 etc.This is just to show people questioning Poch's struggles at PSG. A lot of background politics makes it twice as hard for any manager there
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This could be a worry but then he is better than Ole, has been wanted here for years by the hierarchy which isn't afraid of spending good money and we already have a good squad albeit one that needs some panel beating so he could break that barrier and deliver a trophy or two.He's like my nightmare for a manchester united manager.
Look at the way the club was desperately hanging onto Ole as he went one low to another. He'll probably be too good to actually to sink to the depths Solskjaer had to get himself sacked. So we'll be stuck with him in 3rd-4th place for 6 years, with nothing else to show for it.