Ah the sulky trio of pogba , martial and bailly all strolling together
Pogba Future
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Spot on.
Maybe Lingard was being the annoying twat he usually is and Pogba wasn't in the mood.
I think Pogba is committed to the club but he's bitter about how fans reacted to the end of last season blaming everything upon him.
I'd personally give him a chance tbh.
I'd personally give him a chance tbh.
Did Lindelof just put the rear naked choke on Pogba. It is all kicking off now.
What did Raiola say please?
Therein, I propose, lies part of his problem.
When rafa moved Gerrard higher up the pitch, one comment I thought described the transition well was "rather than trying be the next Keane he should focus on being the next Nedved".
The idea of him being an all action midfielder, which Pogba at least at one point also believed in, is bust. His manager, and himself, ought to be asking what he is instead.
Later Gerrard. By the time he moved in between midfield and attack, he had a long body of work as both the deeper lying midfielder and as a box to box midfielder in a midfield 2 at a much higher level than Pogba has managed to date. And both were used to being the guy that bails out his team mates from a much younger age.
The difference is that Gerrard and Robson could actually hold their own in a midfield 2.
And during that time, players around him were buzzing as well with plenty of willing runners. Big difference to Gerrard and Robson who knew how to carry it forward and make things happen when their team mates didn't really know what to do.
Pogba has a more delicate technique, and, despite his build, is not really much of a physical player. He'll never be as subtle as silva, but he could be a more athletic version of that kind of player. He'll never be a Robson or Gerrard, as he doesn't have the aggression, physicality or drive to do what they did in possession, never mind out of possession.
At some point, repeated attempts to make him that is not just the player's failure but a failure of management.
My point is there is a lot in perception. No one gives silva any shit for doing the bare minimum out of possession or for not dragging teams to victory by the scruff of the neck, because no one reasonably expects him to be that player. He's a powder puff player who does just enough grafting for that to not ruin his overall superb game. The question for him is "how do we make sure to bring his qualities into play".
Pogba as the perfect all-rounder and midfield leader just isn't going to happen. Someone should have asked 2 years ago "OK, so how do we make sure to amplify the qualities he does have". Instead he gets shit for lacking the qualities he doesn't have, because everyone expects him to be Gerrard/Robson. Of inclination, he is made of the same stuff as guys like silva.
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I thought with Mourinho gone we'd be able to get the best out of him but if he wants another 'new' challenge before getting close
to completing this challenge then sell to the highest bidder this summer and get his replacement in the door first. I'd love a deal for Mbappe
including Pogba.
to completing this challenge then sell to the highest bidder this summer and get his replacement in the door first. I'd love a deal for Mbappe
including Pogba.
I'd love to be married to Beyonce
Pardon ?
The guy clearly wants to go.Haven't you read his comments ?
They're everything but 'committed'.
Like others have said above,he nor Lukaku should be on the tour.
They dont want to be there.
Yeah right. Keep telling yourself that.
Explain this then:
Madrid & Juventus are after him based on his popularity are they?
Fighting ? I swear this place is getting worse . Iv never seen so much over the top hysteria about nothing
Pogba was having a word with a member of the staff later on whilst Lingard had moved on further in the group of players. There is no way that these little clips are being shown by coincidence - whoever is doing it wants to subtly show the current mood at the camp.
Some players look amused by it all, others laugh it off. I'm backing Ole all the way against every player if it came to it, but the signs are not good for our manager. Hope he has the required strong mentality to overcome this and be able to oversee a proper rebuild in terms of personnel and mentality at United.
Pogba gets paid just shy of 300k A WEEK. When i sit and actually think about it, a figure i would kill to receive in a one off payment in my lifetime, never mind every friday in bank. I would need to work hard for years & years before i get what he gets in a week.
So if poor Paul wants to have a quiet sob about receiving some criticism from fans because he cant be bothered a lot of the time.. I couldnt care less. No sympathy whatsoever!
The whole team were getting plenty of stick. He just happens to be one of our so called stars and 'game changers' which other players supposedly should be looking to for inspiration, but coincidentally he also seems like hes not taking it all seriously. All while getting run rings round by 'inferior' southampton, cardiff and wolves players.
Personally i dont see any way back for him anymore.. Just want both parties to move on now. Its for the best.
Thanks very much for sharing that information with me. Raiola always seemed like like a greaseball to me. Would have liked to see his ban to have been longer than 3 months. I wonder hows much influence he has over Pogba?
Madrid for sure...galaticos sell shirts and not onlyYeah right. Keep telling yourself that.
Explain this then:
Madrid & Juventus are after him based on his popularity are they?
The issue is that not a single world class player in the world with ambition does. So we have to keep the only world class player we have even if he doesn't want to be here. His off/sulking day is still better than most of the United team.
There is also an issue of him, De Gea, Lukaku and Rashford being our only marketable players.
Raiola advises Pogba how to reach his personal goals and does what his client tells him to when it comes to public relations. It should be kind of obvious what the job of an agent is supposed to be.
Raiola doesn't need to have any influence over Pogba for him to want to leave. Have you not seen the circus we have become? The club's only ambition is making the top 4.
Which self-respecting sportsman with any ambition is going to settle for that?
People should be directing their frustrations at the board & owners for their lack of ambition to compete, leading to anyone still here that's worth anything wanting out.
I don't think he's a Svengali-like figure who manipulates his players. I can't imagine he'd try and sell Pogba to Real or whoever without being instructed to do so. Lastly, back in 2016, when Pogba was considering a move to Madrid from Turin, it was reported that Raiola sold him on a plan of three years at United (because we needed him) then off to Spain. Seems like the plan is, ahem, going according to plan.
Don't particularly agree with that part. When he has a bad game the whole team seems to have just as terrible a game. He does seem to have a bigger influence on the team than most think, as in, when hes on form, each player on the pitch look a whole lot better. and vice versa, when hes having a nightmare.. pretty much everyone looks utter sh*te.
Unfortunately only 3/4 of them games out of 10 are the 'on form games'.
So swerving the question then?
If he's not as good a football player as you suggest, then why is he leading all our stat tables? I don't even have to use these stats, I seen it with my own eyes every week.
He's head & shoulders above any other outfield player we possess. The only reason it's debated is because of the dysfunctional setup we have had for how many years now, leading to every player we bring in, to immediately become a shadow of their former selves.
Fair enough. To me it seems as if Raiola is itching to get Pogba a move to make his pockets fatter than what they already are. I read that he made £41m from Pogba's transfer from Juventus and as this fee is going to be a lot more, it seems that he is just looking for another fat payday than genuinely having Pogba's interests at heart.
It's either on purpose, or someone in the marketing department is getting the boot!
feck me, Lindelof really put a stop to that.
Acting like kids. Which is perfectly normal considering they are excastly that, kids.
But the situation is definetely not under control.
From that clip deffo looks like Lingard’s pissed off at something to do with Pogba
He is an excellent football player but he is also not a player you can build a team around. He is the final piece to a championship team not a building block. His nature is not to lead and he too easily loses focus and lets his frustrations show on the pitch. I am not condemning him for this as everyone has their own personality but he should never have come here in the first place. It is not his fault but the 3 year Paul Pogba experiment has stalled the development of the rest of the team because we keep trying to find a way to line up to get the best from him to the extent of forcing the rest of the squad to play out of position to accommodate him and signing players to cover for the work he won't do.
Probably none. Its Pogba that wants to leave because he doesnt want to be playing in the Europa league and not challenging for trophies
I see there are still fans that would defend Pogba even if he literally spat on the badge of United - "oh we are a shit club, it's totally deserved"...
No. I just know how to critically think. If you still think his dress code was a rebellion and that clip proves there is infighting in the squad, then there is something wrong with you.
I'm fully aware of the state of the club and could see why someone would want to go to a club where they are challenging for titles rather than one who's aim it is just to get to top 4 as much as it hurts.
I totally agree with your point in bold and I have been frustrated with the owners as much as the next fan for a long time but Raiola just seems to be in it for himself and doesn't seem care where Pogba goes as long as he gets his hefty cut of the transfer fee.
But here's the thing: Gerrard wasn't much cop in a midfield two either. He wasn't for England. He wasn't for Liverpool, where Benitez eventually moved him to the 10 position when Torres signed, and most famously in the 2005 final where he had to play RB in the second half after Hamman came in to clean up the mess he created in the first. Where Gerrard's issue was working too hard and spreading himself too thinly across the pitch, Pogba's problem is that he does things too sporadically and has ideas above his station. Ironically, the Pogba that his supporters rave about (the one who "won France the World Cup") was a glorified water carrier as opposed to the midfield talent of his generation.
When Gerrard moved further back, he also wasn't great - as evidenced by the lack of protection that Liverpool defence received from him. He was in the team by that point, primarily as a totem, and secondly for his set pieces. He was the leader, rather than for his on-pitch capabilities.
It wasn't just about the runners during that two month run of good form, though they undoubtedly helped. He wasn't in a team set-up which even had the Silva role. He was starting from deep and bombing on with runs off-the-ball himself and made things happen. He took games by the scruff of the neck in a way that Keane and Gerrard used to. He wasn't the metronome of the team a la Scholes or Silva, he was the fulcrum. I'd wager that he does have it in him to be that player consistently and it suits him best because he does have the physical and technical qualities, but he has ideas that he's the artist and as a consequence, he lets himself down tactically. He wasn't even that at Juve (who you'd think under Allegri would have been tailormade for that sort of Trequartista or Fantastista) and he obviously hasn't been while he's been here either. Every time he was put in that 10 position at Juve for example, he flattered to deceive because he needed more space to do his thing.
I don't deny that the club has to take a fair share of the blame. They sold him a project that he was to be the person to get them back to the top and they've failed in that regard. But I keep going back to the same point: having a poor supporting cast should be the perfect stage on which he could elevate himself. Do you think Zidane at Bordeaux struggled to get noticed because of the comparative limitations of his teammates? How about Keane at Notts Forest? Baraja and Mendieta at Valencia? Or Salah at Liverpool in his first season? Mane at Southampton? I could go on and on. The majority of the blame is on him. He should have put in much, much more for a club who have bent over backwards to bring him back after he'd seemingly burnt his bridges 4 years earlier.
I dont blame Pogba, he wants to win titles but that clearly isnt a priority for Ed and the Glazers so I wish him the best at Madrid.
We will have to sell him because as seen at the end of last season, if he isnt motivated he may as well not be on the pitch.
Sure mate, there is absolutely nothing wrong and all is rosy, everything around the squad is daisies and butterflies. It's all just a big misunderstanding and coincidence, absolutely.
I really don't know why I bother debating with you, the experience from discussing the Glazers should have been enough evidence for me to not bite anymore but I guess it's my fault for believing that people should be able to see the obvious before it is too late.
I can't wait for Pogba to leave.... So much negativity from his body language....
Yeah what im getting from that is they are arguing about something and pobga has said something Jesse hasnt liked, and Lindelof is playfully grabbing Pogba telling him to lighten up.
Its probably nothing and we'll probably see another of them joking about soon. But does seem strange that was left in there
What gets me is he is still barely at walking pace, strolling around.
I was unaware that Raiola sold him on the plan of staying here for three years. Thank you for informing me of this.
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Fair point. That is understandable, when he has got the chance to go to compete for the biggest trophies.
But I like it. Lingard is vexed because despite whatever they say, he's a proper Manchester lad and for him, Pogba is doing BS of talking about leaving in public. Or letting his agent speak. He was probably like "Mate, what kind of BS are you, trying to leave like that. I thought you cared about United". And I am very happy the club posted it!Pogba even spat in frustration whilst Lukaku was looking at it in mild amusement.Lingard seemed proper vexed about something. How did the club even post that video, was it on purpose?
Our squad is full of absolute wankers.
In this big club but very bad team, Pogba is the only world class player. Martial and De Gea are decent but if they stay in this mess, they will never have a great career. The rest are average or mediocre at best.