Bondi77
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If he does sign and we get Sancho then Pogba becomes more of a squad player so I cannot imagine the wage going up
De Gea was World class for about three seasonsDo you rate Bruno as a top player? Also De Bruyne? My friends who are city fans say he has periods of poor form where he’s just really quiet throughout most seasons but when he’s good he’s obviously great. The only player I’ve ever seen at United maintain his highest level for three seasons in a row was Keane. Every other player has had periods of ‘form’.
Couldn’t agree more, the fawning over Pogba is embarrassing, let’s get him gone and get someone in who wants to be at the club.Couldn't care less about him as a United player any more - the amount of times he's played silly buggers with us is embarrassing. There's a definite undercurrent with him where we choose to believe he actually loves United and wants to stay when all the evidence points to the contrary.
Mino is a great distraction/target for us fans but make no mistake, he works for Pogba and he knows what Pogba wants. Sell Pogba, get someone like Tielemans in as a CM and Sancho and we'd be a far better team overall.
oh yeah! Sorry perhaps because he’s not an outfield player...but yes I agree.De Gea was World class for about three seasons
I tend to agree, Rashford would be the Giggs to Sancho's Beckham. We'd have Bruno and Sancho making the plays and Rashford running the right back ragged.The only thing Pogba has over Rashford is his playmaking but if Sancho comes in, that aspect would be covered and having the threat of Rashford running in behind is more useful to us than Pogba being an extra playmaker.
Agree with you both. When he decides to play, he can be a match winner.Couldn’t agree more, the fawning over Pogba is embarrassing, let’s get him gone and get someone in who wants to be at the club.
Tielemans would be great, talk was that he really wanted to come here a couple of years ago and I’d love Greilish at United, I think he’s a better player than Pogba and he’d become a massive player here but can’t see it happen.
"Anonymous" is being generous on many occasions, when he's not "on it" he's often a fecking liability. See e.g. the amount of penalties he's given away.I'm honestly torn on Pogba, his games have ranged from imperious to anonymous so its more about how we get him to have more of the former.
Fully agree mate, and the boldened is exactly the reason why - it's about balance and for a long time we just simply haven't had it.I tend to agree, Rashford would be the Giggs to Sancho's Beckham. We'd have Bruno and Sancho making the plays and Rashford running the right back ragged.
I'm honestly torn on Pogba, his games have ranged from imperious to anonymous so its more about how we get him to have more of the former. whether its position, formation or who plays alongside him i don't know but I think we should only be looking to keep him if we have a plan in mind to maximize what he can do. If we're still clueless how to fit him in then we'd be as well to sell him this summer. Even £40 mil would be an ok return.
You are severely underrating Ole's infatuation with Pogba. If we sign Sancho, Ole will still find a way of squeezing Pogba into the team. To be fair, I wouldn't mind seeing Pogba in a Midfield 2 instead of Fred or McTominay if the club manages to sign a top CDM to partner him.If he does sign and we get Sancho then Pogba becomes more of a squad player so I cannot imagine the wage going up
Well this is it, isn’t it. The crux of the issue.You are severely underrating Ole's infatuation with Pogba. If we sign Sancho, Ole will still find a way of squeezing Pogba into the team. To be fair, I wouldn't mind seeing Pogba in a Midfield 2 instead of Fred or McTominay if the club manages to sign a top CDM to partner him.
Matic is a bit long in the tooth now but when Jose first brought him to Utd he had quality and he played alongside Pogba but that didn't seem to work.You are severely underrating Ole's infatuation with Pogba. If we sign Sancho, Ole will still find a way of squeezing Pogba into the team. To be fair, I wouldn't mind seeing Pogba in a Midfield 2 instead of Fred or McTominay if the club manages to sign a top CDM to partner him.
Ashley Young was a much better player for us that Pogba has ever been. He left his all on the pitch every game too.I have no time for him. My least favourite starter in the last 20 years. At least players like Ashley Young, who are asked to play out of position and are frustrating, give their all and know what it means to play for Manchester United.
This guy never shuts his mouth and has been a distraction since shortly after his arrival. He doesn’t even offer anything consistent, apart from running his mouth.
He should be sold this summer and shouldn’t be given any choice in the matter. Get a lesser player in, ok, but get one that really wants to play for this club.
Not sure about that, Pogba was our best player in his 1st few months playing with Matic who kept getting worse as the season progressed.Matic is a bit long in the tooth now but when Jose first brought him to Utd he had quality and he played alongside Pogba but that didn't seem to work.
Moaners are ever-present. Just check the Sancho thread where some are moaning about why we are signing Sancho and not Neto, Raphinha etc.I cannot believe what I’m seeing in here. People would actively see him leave on a free transfer than have him sign a contract extension?
Probably the same posters that moan about us not having squad depth.
I think we'd have a better squad without him, in that we could replace him easily in my opinion with a player that brings more to the team. But I wouldn't want him leaving on a free that's for sure.I cannot believe what I’m seeing in here. People would actively see him leave on a free transfer than have him sign a contract extension?
Probably the same posters that moan about us not having squad depth.
I haven't argued form doesn't fluctuate but the top players performances don't vary all that much. I'm not suggesting Pogba should be at his absolute best all season year after year.Do you rate Bruno as a top player? Also De Bruyne? My friends who are city fans say he has periods of poor form where he’s just really quiet throughout most seasons but when he’s good he’s obviously great. The only player I’ve ever seen at United maintain his highest level for three seasons in a row was Keane. Every other player has had periods of ‘form’.
How many is that?"Anonymous" is being generous on many occasions, when he's not "on it" he's often a fecking liability. See e.g. the amount of penalties he's given away.
As limited as Rashford is, he's still a 20 goals per season player, and you wont sideline a player with that kind of output.All the talent in the world, never looks but often never looks like his heart is in it.
Not entirely sure where he fits in, for a long time i advocated him at number 10 but Bruno owns that position. I quite like him on the left, but is he then competing with Rashford for a place in the team? Is he a better option than Rashford ?
Not really madness, if the other option is us losing him for free in next 6 months.Would be madness for us to extend his contract and give him a pay raise for doing a disappearing act for most of his career with us.
I think the plan was to sell him last year but Covid intervened. We bought Donny in anticipation of it IMO.If Pogba leaves on a free again then it just shows how inept we are as a club. He left free the first time round and if he does it again that's twice. If he runs down his contract then that's on him but we should have signed him before this even became an issue.
When is the next Halley's Comet due?The usual caveat: On form and in a position that agrees with him, he's unplayable.
We just wasted money on Donny when Pogba was injured for awhile last season Ole should have played Donny in Pogba's place. I don't know why he doesn't trust him.I think the plan was to sell him last year but Covid intervened. We bought Donny in anticipation of it IMO.
There's a handful of players at Pogba's level in the world.
That being said, if Ole has decided it's not possible to get the best out of him and Bruno in the same team, sell him.
I think this is the problem. I think he cannot motivate himself to do it 50 games a season. When he is fired up, he is on his game.That season kind of summed up his United career (albeit featuring a level of productivity he’s rarely managed since). Posting in his performances until Mourinho got sacked. Then Ole seemed to light a fire under him and it looked like he had finally clicked and was becoming the monster Yaya Toure-esque dominant figure we’d hoped for when he signed. Only to end up crashing back down to earth with all the usual arguments about how he was being used, what his best position is and who else we needed to sign to finally get him performing consistently.
I often wonder if his biggest flaw is an inability to stay properly motivated over the course of a whole season. He can keep it up for a dozen games or so but after that he just seems to lose interest and focus. Amateur psychology at its finest but looking back on his career it’s hard not to see it that way.
I’ve never heard of this 10% rule before sorry.I haven't argued form doesn't fluctuate but the top players performances don't vary all that much. I'm not suggesting Pogba should be at his absolute best all season year after year.
But during his time here his performances have been all over the place. From terrible to exceptional.
That shouldn't be happening and doesn't happen with most top players. De Bruyne doesn't swing around like that.
There's the fluctuations in form all players have, which is 10% either way. Then there's another group of players who are just permanently rotating between hot and cold. Giggs in his 20's was like that.
Most of the time, Pogba isn't at his supposed level eitherThere's a handful of players at Pogba's level in the world.
That being said, if Ole has decided it's not possible to get the best out of him and Bruno in the same team, sell him.
It's with this type of mindset that explains why the club is fecked with so many overpaid underperforming players.Not really madness, if the other option is us losing him for free in next 6 months.
do we know which have been his best day up until now?Does anyone think Pogba's best days are in front of him?