Poch, Jardim, Sarri, in that order.
like itSimeone
1. Has similar tactical pattern with Mou
2. Can consolidate on whatever Mou achieves before leaving
1. Has similar tactical pattern with Mou
2. Can consolidate on whatever Mou achieves before leaving
Agreed. Since the new owners have come in and especially the last few years, City have been a good catch for a top manager, basically sign who you want. Put it like this; Perisic would have been a City player now if Pep had have wanted him.
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Probably Poch.
Would Zidane leave Real to come to a country where he doesnt speak the language, knows nothing of the culture, and come to a team who is inferior to the team who he currently manages? I cant see this happening. Poch followed by one of the younger managers in the Prem, Silva even Howe might do a good job here with the money and better players than he currently has. The Wanderers coach Santo, could be one to look out for in a couple of years time.
All you've done is use a gambling fallacy of putting it all on one hand because 'its all gambling anyway'.
A hand of two Aces in poker gives a far better chance of winning than a hand of a 2 and a 4. Just like getting a manager with experience gives a far better chance of succeeding than a manager with no experience.
Taking educated risks will, in the long term, always be better than taking blind risks.
Never been Robbos assistant. You mean Bobby Robson.
Yes mate, i realized my mistake but felt the point was made anyway. He was the translator for Bobby Robson and was effectively an assistant manager.
Yes it fantastic how his career started, and hes ended up winning more than his mentors
Not like giving it to Giggs is giving it to redCafe poster of the year or something. He has worked for decades under the arguably the greatest manager of all time.
Another irrelevant point regarding Giggs' competency as a manager. What qualities can he bring as a manager is what is important. Many players have played under SAF for many years; that doesnt mean they have the qualities to be a manager.
The club had plenty of time to assess Giggs managerial qualities; and they were obviously lacking since they chose someone else over him.
I think it was quite clear what the club was trying to do, they were prepping Giggs for a managerial role, but he failed to impress as assistant manager.
The heirarchy at the club are not particularly fond of Mourinho, so they would have no problem taking Giggs if he showed some promise.
Once again, this is a wrong way of thinking it. There's no way to know how good someone is until they get the job. The club could not have known if Giggs did or didn't have the skills. The only reason they didn't give Giggs the role is because we couldn't take a gamble anymore and needed the best possible route for trophies. However, after SAF left we could have afforded it and if Mourinho leaves after a long successful spell, we will be able to afford it again.
It is not an irrelevant post when you look at the amount of ex players under Fergie that are now managers. They guy has groomed a whole batch. Giggs may or may not be the man for the job but the whole "prove yourself in the lower leagues first" bull doesn't do anything. You can win championships with tier 4 clubs but it wont prepare you for the United job. Nothing will.
Changing managers is rubbish, let's just stick with Mourinho for the next 3 or 4 years minimum. Do whatever it takes to keep him happy.
Let's just see how it goes with Mourinho first before we start worrying about who will be next. This thread smacks of pining for him to be sacked.
So Rooney can take up the job tomorrow. Because we never know how good he is until he gets the job.
Glad that the club ain't run like that
You've created a complete strawman; I said over and over again that what is important is the qualities someone has that can make them a good manager. You can have all the experience in the world and still be a shite manager if that experience didnt develop the right qualities. And just to clarify being a player is NOT a quality for being a manager.
'Prove yourself in lower leagues' is something you completely fabricated because you didnt read what i posted properly. Zidane and Guardiola managed the B team and as a result of this showed the right qualities for managing. They did not get the job simply because they managed the B teams; they got the job because they showed potential while doing so.
Giggs got an opportunity to show his worth under LVG and he didnt show enough to warrant being manager.
Who knows? Doubt it though. Rooney hasn't sured anything close to the maturity of someone like Giggs. Also doesn't have as much exposure to SAF. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if Rooney does alright in management.
As your bold, it's a lot of ifs and buts. Nothing guarantees anything. Being a player is a quality for being a manager. Please take a look at 20 of the PL managers. How many were ex players? All this criteria people have for "what makes a good manager" is based on a lot of speculation.
As for Giggs as assistant: that's completely baseless. He was an assistant. How do we know what advice he gave or didn't give?
And just to re-emphasis I am not saying Giggs would be a good manager. He would be a gamble but it could pay off. Arguing against my point is saying that the Giggs gamble would never pay off.
So basically you are saying that any tdh could be a good manager, if given an opportunity at any club.
Because when you toss a coin, you either gets heads or tails but you cant be sure. Anything could happen.
Call it an over-simplified view on the future, but I see both Poch & Kane at United. The football Poch got Southampton and Spurs playing is what United (should) stand for. If Spurs don't win anything over the next few years I could see him coming when Jose goes.
Given the calibre of player he would be able to attrack at United I think he could do something pretty special.
Not meant to be a slight on Jose or wishful thinking but it the man is going to go in 3-4 I think this would be the course to take - pay whatever Levy wants, it would be worth it in the long run.
Given the calibre of player he would be able to attrack at United I think he could do something pretty special.
Not meant to be a slight on Jose or wishful thinking but it the man is going to go in 3-4 I think this would be the course to take - pay whatever Levy wants, it would be worth it in the long run.
Moyes got Everton organised and bought in some decent players - what he achieved was probably with hindsight about par for the course given the size of the club and their resources
Silva has taken over three clubs in wretched states and made them incredibly difficult to beat. I think he will get a chance at a team like Everton soon and then we will see whether he can take a team to the next level. If he does well somewhere like Everton/Southampton then the big clubs will be interested
This.
Mourinho has been here for a year and a bit. I want to see how it goes with him. Will we slowly start playing attractive football against the bigger sides in the premier league? I really hope that for the rest of Mourinho's tenure we don't play the same sort of football that we saw on Saturday. I'm all for being practical etc., but surely this isn't the end game? If new players are needed then get them.
This thread is much more busy now because of how we played on Saturday. Hopefully we show some ambition against Spurs at home and Chelsea away.
The funny thing is I think if we had anyone else as our manager right now, the top of most people's wish-list would probably be Mourinho himself as the likely replacement.
Yes, because Giggs is just anyone
Oh!! Didn't realize he has been a successful manager somewhere.
Wouldn't like to entertain the though until he is actually going/gone but if we needed a replacement tomorrow I would go for one of Pochettino, Marco Silva or Sarri
I understand Giggs being our manager is a pleasing view for the fans but it's a gamble to hire a manager whose only experience is an assistant to a past it manager who made us played our worst ever football, a gamble that we don't have to take it considering there're other very good and established managers present.
Even Pep and Zidane have managed the B team of both RM and Barca and their view of football was clear to the club. Giggs is just a mystery for us and we don't know anything about him as a manager. An unnecessary gamble.
Even Pep and Zidane have managed the B team of both RM and Barca and their view of football was clear to the club. Giggs is just a mystery for us and we don't know anything about him as a manager. An unnecessary gamble.
I would like to see Simeone take over after Mourinho as well for them exact reasons.
But this discussion shouldn't be happening yet. We don't know how long Jose is going to be here for and who's going to be available when he does leave.
Baffling people mention Zidane. He's yet to prove he didn't just inherit a great squad like Pep did at Barcelona.
Then again if he picks the easy high spending jobs ala Pep, he'll be highly rated for years.
Then again if he picks the easy high spending jobs ala Pep, he'll be highly rated for years.
Pochettino has achieved nothing so that would be a stupid decision.
Zidane or Simeone would be my choice.
Zidane or Simeone would be my choice.
I want a proper horrible cnut manager, one that all the opposition fans hate with a passion...
Well he dropped Bale for Isco and has won back to back Champions Leagues.
Not as baffling as people who pick Poch because he's managed to come second in the league once. Wowser.
The last thing this club needs is another change of manager... Simeone if so, but United could really use some of that stability in mood of SAF era.
I never understand this argument. Surely Pochettino's results at a modest-spending team (in the most competitive league to boot,) match those of Zidane, who inherited a squad strewn with world class talent. I still think it's impressive what Zidane has done, but I can't understand why Pochettino doesn't get more credit around here.
exactly well said lad. The other thing re Poch, at both clubs he has been at, is his promotion of home grown talent, something we've lost our way a bit over the yrs. He hasn't won anything, I don't think that argument is valid anymore and you see clubs like Real never take that view point. Zidane hadn't even managed at the top level. I think guys like Poch and even Silva at Watford have to be looked at. Their lack of success could even be a positive in that they will be more hungrier for success.
Not saying I like the argument either but you could say the same about Sean Dyche.
Having missed the Stoke game earlier in the seaon i am formally ruling myself out of contention
Wow so there's no middle ground between being a nobody and being SAF?
Spending loads of money and having a excellent team is no guarantee of winning the Champions League (see PSG and Man City) never mind winning them back to back.
There's no comparison between what Zidane has achieved and what Poch has not achieved.