Ainu
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One of the worst finals I've ever seen in terms of quality and coming out as hopeless losers just compounds the misery. There's not a single positive to take from that.
Of course you can't that was Jones, yet again, but he can send them out to go for the game from the start.Yep. Jose's not off the hook by any means. But you can't plan for your players to make such fecking basic errors.
Yeah 95 cup final fml identicalHad United won the game the way Chelsea did, capitalising on crap defending and then holding out for the best part of an hour, we'd be criticised to high heaven. However, expectations are different for Chelsea and so they winners will take the plaudits.
We had more of the game but we lacked the quality to do anything with it. So much possession, so much play, so little end product. I genuinely don't know if our squad is as good as many on the CAF seem to think it is. Our average finishes over the past five years would suggest we have players that are competitive around the upper end of Europa League level but little more. I bet if you gave City 66% possession against this Chelsea team they would've won in normal time from a goal down.
People will say Mourinho could've got more from the team (and I blame him for starting Jones over Bailly) but frankly, over the last four years, I've seen us lose to counters with tons of possession a lot. It would suggest that our attack isn't that potent and our defence is creaky when tested. We haven't rebuilt the way we should have and the squad we have just ain't that good.
All feels a bit Paul Rideout right now...
That's what I saidShould have taken Sanchez off.
Jesus Christ, that would be a **NIGHTMARE**.The gods have spoken this season. City won the league, Chelsea the cup and now Liverpool the CL
I don’t see the actual point of Lingard. What does he actually contribute to the team?Should have taken Sanchez off.
Whatever he is doing isn't working. We should be scoring 2-3 goals in these fixtures and not praying that one of our defenders doesn't make a mistake to gift the opposition one goal. That's Jose responsibility and it transcends the circumstances of one match. Our attack is simply not good enough.So you think that Jose has asked them to play like shit and Jones to gift them a penalty as a part of the game plan?
Yep. And I'm not even sure who to blame for that. We play with zero fluency and attacking threat. There is no plan out there. Every player just roams around trying to create something on their own. Jose needs to take a hard look at himself instead of throwing the players under the bus.Our attack is so weak.
Feck it, so gutted.
Both bailly rojo and lindelof have been crap in games they played recently so not sureOf course you can't that was Jones, yet again, but he can send them out to go for the game from the start.
It's not even that. It's the lack of options that our full backs offer. They stand still so limiting the forward options.Rashford was so easy to play against. Constanstly drifting and overdoing it when he got the ball. He just doesn't offer enough up top to be a replacement for Lukaku.
Why is that interesting?Interesting that you single out those two.
True but I give a 20 year old more leeway than Sanchez or PogbaHe was given a poor ball by Lingard so luck wasn't on his side but you'd expect a player to be able to pass the ball to feet
This is why I am worried, because the same can be said about our other attackers, Martial Mhiki Rashford Mata, yet Jose hasn't changed that so why do you think he will change it now.I personally don't think he's that bad, we just need to stop playing him as a winger. He always needed quality around him and players who could play shrewdly in and around the box. That happened at both at Arsenal and Barcelona. We don't do that and he's shit so I'm not surprised.
We've done it the whole fecking year: get to the box and put crosses in, or wait to put crosses in because we know it's a shit idea (especially without Lukaku).
Chelsea have just lifted the cup so it'd probably be a good time to nick it.Happy for Mourinho to throw them under the bus to be honest.
Well we can only laugh
you dont want to critize Martial yet an-apologeticly bashing Lukaku (who has just returned from injury) & Mata who only played less than 10 minutes. Can you Martial FC stop with this nonsense? you lot are making me hate Martial. tell you what all players including manager deserve critiszm for this game.We really lack heart and ideas in some matches don’t we? What’s José at bringing on martial to save the game. He’s thrown him under the bus, that’s not the player to come on and change the most important game of the season for you. I feel like José will be thinking hey if he wins us the game great and if he doesn’t I look vindicated in marginalising him which is nothing short of shitty management. Lukaku and Mata did absolutely nothing. This team is seriously lacking in leadership and belief. It never felt like we were really fighting for it. It all felt hopefull and going through the motions. Flat as hell.
We have more Youtubers than the Dallas Cowboys and the NYY so yes he does.Never mind.Ed Woodward thinks this was a good season.
Agree with this Jones has shown he is prone to errors, why start him over Bailly. Same reason I don't think he should be there with England. In one off games like this the errors are exaggerated, especially when we create f all chances.Of course you can't that was Jones, yet again, but he can send them out to go for the game from the start.
So given the accurate observation you offer;how is that progress?I thought we played fairy well in the 2nd half. Chelsea in the 2nd half put in the sort of performance that we have been slagged off for most of the season, yet Keown was jizzing over it.
Over the course of the 90, Chelsea edged it, we were awful in the first half.
I am still Pro-Mourinho, but less so than I was at the start of this season. I think there is progress, but I am also concerned that two years into Mourinho at United, he doesn't know his best back four or his best front 3, yet just about every football fan could have predicted the Chelsea team, with the only real question mark being Courtois. It's worrying. Is next season going to be more further experimentation with winger-cum-fullbacks and a front 3/4 of centre fowards all over the place and no wingers? Urgh.
Yeah fair point.This is why I am worried, because the same can be said about our other attackers, Martial Mhiki Rashford Mata, yet Jose hasn't changed that so why do you think he will change it now.
I don't expect it to change and so I am worried about Sanchez
Creating is a problem as is scoring actual goals. Only Chelsea have less goals than us among top 6 clubs.Don't we have the best conversion rate in the top 6? We definitely created the fewest chances out of that group. Putting away chances wasn't our problem this season, creating them was.
Thing is he won’t after today. We didn’t play bad. The attitude was always improving. It was a silly error and some poor finishing that made the difference.Happy for Mourinho to throw them under the bus to be honest.
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