Shane88
Actually Nostradamus
A week and a half of "Ha ha, no Aguero!" and Iheanacho ends up getting the decider.
Inevitable really.
Inevitable really.
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I don't really get it either. And even irrespective of their form, surely one of the two has to play given you're playing Rooney and Ibra in attack who offer no pace which has to be made up for?Can someone tell me what he was playing at by having Martial AND Rashford on the bench? Martial had just scored an excellent goal on international duty (assisted by Pogba, no less) that might have given him confidence and Rashford scored a hat trick for the U21s but Jose starts neither of them. I can understand playing Miki because of how he looked as a sub but Lingard has just come off an injury, he had no business playing.
Midfield was another mistake, we didn't have enough bodies there and were immobile. Herrera made a clear difference, which is ironic considering how much we've spunked out on talent this summer.
Just big errors by LV...uh, I mean Mourinho for such a major game. Guardiola schooled him today, it was as simple as that.
I see a lot of us calling it a great game and saying that we were glad to fight back. Is this our new coping mechanism?
Because they got their tactics spot on. Convenient for you to pick Lingard, who is at best a fringe player for us, well, I won't have Bravo, Kolarov, Nolito or Sterling ahead of our players in their position. I am not disagreeing with you (about squad), I am saying, they had the better tactics today, that was the main reason they won.Really? Do you think Lingard would even make the bench let alone the squad? Would you rather have Stones/Otamendi or Blind in central defense? Rooney or KDB? Listen, I'm not saying we are bad, and in fact we look far better than any point in the last 3 years. I just don't think we have as good of a squad as City atm. They absolutely hammered us in the first half.
I know you're a City fan, and as such are inherently unable to offer a balanced view on the sport, but that is complete codswallop.I think the first 40 minutes were as good as we've played in a long while, but it's frustrating that we can dominate the first half of the game and still find ourselves in a close scrap. I guess that's the beauty of the premier league but it's happened a few times now already this season. Overall I think we deserved the 3 points.
It's not. They were the better team on the day and deserved the win. No matter how much it pains me to say it.I know you're a City fan, and as such are inherently unable to offer a balanced view on the sport, but that is complete codswallop.
This kind of black and white thinking is crazy. Pogba and Fellaini is a very good midfield, they just did not get enough support today when up against 5. Should have played another and harried them more, but we were much better once Herrera was in there. Against many other teams it would be just fine.Overall bad performance, awful result. Fellaini and Pogba doesn't work in a midfield two, so must be addressed. Move on now and prepare for next weeks games. Its only an early league loss.
Pogba is too attacking for a midfield two imo. Herrera or Schneiderlin are needed to help protect the back four and let Pogba attack with freedom.This kind of black and white thinking is crazy. Pogba and Fellaini is a very good midfield, they just did not get enough support today when up against 5. Should have played another and harried them more, but we were much better once Herrera was in there. Against many other teams it would be just fine.
Herrera or Schneiderlin in place of Fellaini wouldn't have done much.Pogba is too attacking for a midfield two imo. Herrera or Schneiderlin are needed to help protect the back four and let Pogba attack with freedom.
I don't know if it's Pogba or something tactical. He should be playing a bit deeper and arriving into space in more advanced areas instead of starting amongst the hustle and bustle around the opponents area..Pogba is too attacking for a midfield two imo. Herrera or Schneiderlin are needed to help protect the back four and let Pogba attack with freedom.
I didn't mean instead of Fellaini, I meant along with Fellaini and PogbaHerrera or Schneiderlin in place of Fellaini wouldn't have done much.
The issue was playing 2 midfielders against their constant flooding of the midfield. Didn't matter who we used.
Even Iniesta-Busquets would have struggled out there.
Ah fair enough. I agree then.I didn't mean instead of Fellaini, I meant along with Fellaini and Pogba
I am not sure I agree. Pogba has to dig in and he certainly has the game to do it. If he doesn't he will never be a great player because he is not special as an attacker. He is special as an all-rounder.Pogba is too attacking for a midfield two imo. Herrera or Schneiderlin are needed to help protect the back four and let Pogba attack with freedom.
this is the way it should be, Pogba is seriously limited defensively but then I thought we all knew that anyway and bought him regardless. He needs to be on the left in a 4-3-3 system because it's the only role he's been any real good at.Pogba is too attacking for a midfield two imo. Herrera or Schneiderlin are needed to help protect the back four and let Pogba attack with freedom.
Well, Lingard started for us in the derby. Of course I am going to highlight this fact.Because they got their tactics spot on. Convenient for you to pick Lingard, who is at best a fringe player for us, well, I won't have Bravo, Kolarov, Nolito or Sterling ahead of our players in their position. I am not disagreeing with you (about squad), I am saying, they had the better tactics today, that was the main reason they won.
I see. On what basis didn't City deserve the 3 points in your view then? I'd say the general concesus on the forum has largely been that City were the better side.I know you're a City fan, and as such are inherently unable to offer a balanced view on the sport, but that is complete codswallop.
It had to be Fellaini/Pogba/Herrera from the start. Three man midfield. Hopefully he has learnt from this and it won't be allowed to happen again, or if he is going to persist with the first half tactics, the players actually do as they are told.Herrera or Schneiderlin in place of Fellaini wouldn't have done much.
The issue was playing 2 midfielders against their constant flooding of the midfield. Didn't matter who we used.
Even Iniesta-Busquets would have struggled out there.
Yeah exactly.It had to be Fellaini/Pogba/Herrera from the start. Three man midfield. Hopefully he has learnt from this and it won't be allowed to happen again, or if he is going to persist with the first half tactics, the players actually do as they are told.
Pogba will take more games to get up to match fitness, remember he didn't have any pre-season, but I agree it was far too much to pay. However that was the going price.£150 Million spent on players this summer a squad worth £100's of millions full of internationals, a manager who was going to turn us into winners again. And the first decent team we come up against and what is the solution launch the ball into the box and hope we can get on the end of a knock down. Mourinho was quite simply tactically outclassed again by a far superior manager in Guardiola. Guardiola picks his young striker in Iheanacho and he scores the winner and Mourinho does not pick his young striker in Rashford and instead picks an unfit Mkhitaryan, he has not faith in youth.
Pogba is never a £90 Million player he went missing today a day when you need your big players to stand up its okay doing at home to Southampton but games like today are where he needs to justify the fee and he was poor.
And can we please drop Rooney he is not good enough anymore every time he gets the ball he slows play down and then most of the time loses it, if Rooney was any other player in the pitch (i.e. not England captain) he would have been sent off he committed numerous fouls before he was booked and he was constantly arguing with the ref after every decision.
It's one game! Iheanacho did nothing outside getting a lucky bounce there. De Bruyne completely bossed our midfield but a lot had to do with City overloading the midfield, which was a mistake tactically by Jose which he fix by switching to a midfield 3. Reason why City weren't as fluid in the second half.£150 Million spent on players this summer a squad worth £100's of millions full of internationals, a manager who was going to turn us into winners again. And the first decent team we come up against and what is the solution launch the ball into the box and hope we can get on the end of a knock down. Mourinho was quite simply tactically outclassed again by a far superior manager in Guardiola. Guardiola picks his young striker in Iheanacho and he scores the winner and Mourinho does not pick his young striker in Rashford and instead picks an unfit Mkhitaryan, he has not faith in youth.
Pogba is never a £90 Million player he went missing today a day when you need your big players to stand up its okay doing at home to Southampton but games like today are where he needs to justify the fee and he was poor.
And can we please drop Rooney he is not good enough anymore every time he gets the ball he slows play down and then most of the time loses it, if Rooney was any other player in the pitch (i.e. not England captain) he would have been sent off he committed numerous fouls before he was booked and he was constantly arguing with the ref after every decision.
Agree for the most part. Though on the fitness thing... I think it was mainly Rooney and the midfield that looked short of fitness. Pogba okay might be lacking a bit of fitness, but Fellaini has never been that mobile anyway and Rooney just can't run for more the an hour and visibly tired more then anyone on the pitch.Not sure this is panic stations for United.
We dominated the opening 40 minutes and should have scored a third late on when De Bruyne hit the post, but once you went to 4-3-3 with Herrera, Pogba and Fellaini in the middle you started to turn the screw. On another day you'd have had a penalty for the Bravo tackle and you'd be talking about the heroic fighting spirit to come back from 2-0 down, etc. etc.
The first 40 minutes was a worrying sight for United fans but you kept yourselves in touch and made the second half more difficult than it might have been. Encouraging enough considering half the players you had there today clearly weren't fit.
He hasn't picked the wrong team other than today.Mourinho has picked the wrong team in every game so far and got away with it up to today. Doesn't seem to understand that you need pace in attack. Irritating to say the least.
Honeymoon over already?Mourinho has picked the wrong team in every game so far and got away with it up to today. Doesn't seem to understand that you need pace in attack. Irritating to say the least.
The problem is Mourinho will go right back to 4-2-3-1 next time he plays City. He's got a glitch where Pep is concerned. If history is anything to go by we'll probably try a midfield of Fellaini, Schneiderlin and Carrick just to avoid giving you space in the middle of the park with Smalling charging around in a free role.Not sure this is panic stations for United.
We dominated the opening 40 minutes and should have scored a third late on when De Bruyne hit the post, but once you went to 4-3-3 with Herrera, Pogba and Fellaini in the middle you started to turn the screw. On another day you'd have had a penalty for the Bravo tackle and you'd be talking about the heroic fighting spirit to come back from 2-0 down, etc. etc.
The first 40 minutes was a worrying sight for United fans but you kept yourselves in touch and made the second half more difficult than it might have been. Encouraging enough considering half the players you had there today clearly weren't fit.
Wow you're one negative fella. He's praised Rashford after the game and will give him more time and he actually played our youth product Lingard on the other side. And Pogba is 23, he had one bad game, everyone has them once in a while.£150 Million spent on players this summer a squad worth £100's of millions full of internationals, a manager who was going to turn us into winners again. And the first decent team we come up against and what is the solution launch the ball into the box and hope we can get on the end of a knock down. Mourinho was quite simply tactically outclassed again by a far superior manager in Guardiola. Guardiola picks his young striker in Iheanacho and he scores the winner and Mourinho does not pick his young striker in Rashford and instead picks an unfit Mkhitaryan, he has not faith in youth.
Pogba is never a £90 Million player he went missing today a day when you need your big players to stand up its okay doing at home to Southampton but games like today are where he needs to justify the fee and he was poor.
And can we please drop Rooney he is not good enough anymore every time he gets the ball he slows play down and then most of the time loses it, if Rooney was any other player in the pitch (i.e. not England captain) he would have been sent off he committed numerous fouls before he was booked and he was constantly arguing with the ref after every decision.
These results do tend to bring that out in some people. I see it as a loss in the 4th game of the season, at the beginning of a long season. For all the negatives, most of which should improve, there were positives as well.Wow you're one negative fella.
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