Pre Premier League Draft

[Indnyc]

Is it still my pick or does Mjj have to pick again?

You can pick

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

I just realized i have 2 right wingers now. I blame alcohol.

Don't go blaming alcohol.... it's my best friend.

Is it still my pick or does Mjj have to pick again?

You... Top tip, try to pick a player/position you actually need (unlike some).

 

[Frank Grimes]

David Narey.

 

[MJJ]

Allan Clarke

 

[Enigma_87]

Looks like MJJ won’t pick a keeper anyway so - Jim Leighton @MJJ

 

[Frank Grimes]

1. oneniltothearsenal - 1) K. Dalglish (10) 2) K. Sansom (7) 3) J. Robertson (16) 4) J. Molby (3) 5) G. Stevens (2) 6) C. Allen (1) 7) M. Wright (1) 8) S. McMahon (1) 9) L. Lloyd (1) 10) J. Rimmer (10) 11) A. Limpar (10)
2. green_smiley - 1) I. Rush (4) 2) D. Rocastle (31) 3) S. Jardine (7) 4) R. Kennedy (27) 5) D. Cooper (26) 6) S. Perryman (32) 7) P. Jennings (9) 8) B. Bonds (5) 9) T. Smith (2) 10) S. Bowles (11) 11) G. Mabbutt (60)
3. BeforeKeanetherewasRobson - 1) B. Robson (51) 2) T. McDermott (146) 3) D. Irwin (14) 4) D. O'Leary (10) 5) B. McClair (3) 6) C. Todd (1) 7) F. Stapleton (3) 8) B. Grobbelaar (1) 9) T. Steven (3) 10) P. Van den Hauwe (10) 11) G Hill (4)
4. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1) P. McGrath (63) 2) A. Muhren (14) 3) P. Neal (2) 4) A. Smith (2) 5) P. Reid (3) 6) M. Lawrenson (10) 7) N. Southall (20) 8) C. Blackmore (48) 9) P. Nevin (2) 10) C. Johnston (10) 11) A.Gray (8)
5. Frank Grimes - 1) K. Keegan (480) 2) J. Giles (142) 3) B. Bremner (12) 4) S. Coppell (25) 5) S. Heighway (11) 6) J. Toshack (195) 7) P. Schmeichel (480) 8) P. Parker (9) 9) M. Malpas (20) 10) D. Watson (19) 11) David Narey (61)
   
6. Enigma_87/TRV - 1) G. Lineker (3) 2) O. Ardiles (4) 3) D. Walker (1) 4) T. Francis (17) 5) N. Hunter (15) 6) F. Thijssen (21) 7) N. Winterburn (4) 8) K. Sheedy (9) 9) P. Rice (33) 10) F. Worthington (8) 11) Jim Leighton (2)
   
7. MJJ - 1) G. Souness (180) 2) C. Bell (191) 3) R. Wilkins (7) 4) M. MacDonald (97) 5) K. Burns 6) S. Nicol (25) 7) K. Beattie (2) 8) D. Statham (480) 9) G. Armstrong (445) 10) Allan Clarke (2)
   
8. youngrell - 1) P. Gascoigne (28) 2) M. Le Tissier (287) 3) P. Ince (2) 4) A. McLeish (11) 5) A. Kennedy (34) 6) A. McCoist (34) 7) R. Clemence (32) 8) G. Speed (205) 9) S. Bould (28) 10) P. Merson (5)
9. Cal? - 1) G. Best (10) 2) T. Adams (460) 3) S. Pearce (298) 4) G. Strachan (10) 5) G. McAllister (1) 6) E. Cantona (302) 7) D. Batty (28) 8) R. Nilsson (15) 9) M. Keown (1) 10) G. Hurst (10)
10. Gio - 1) G. Hoddle (35) 2) C. Waddle (48) 3) V. Anderson (76) 4) R. Gough (70) 5) J. Greig (24) 6) B. Lennox (11) 7) K. Ratcliffe (243) 8) P. McStay (130) 9) K. Dixon (21) 10) A. Goram (60)
11. Skizzo/Pat Mustard - 1) J. Barnes (137) 2) D. McGrain (116) 3) N. Whiteside (15) 4) M. Buchan (10) 5) J. Wark (4) 6) L. Cunningham (155) 7) M. Chivers (5) 8) R. Whelan (66) 9) B. McNeill (26) 10) C. Woods (40)
12. Tuppet - 1) A. Hansen (46) 2) P. Beardsley (91) 3) A. Ball (38) 4) J. Johnstone (10) 5) T. Cooper (97) 6) B. Murdoch (73) 7) M. England (291) 8) F. Lee (160) 9) P. Madeley (38) 10) L. Sharpe (68)
13. Oaencha - 1) R. Keane (19) 2) I. Wright 3) S. Bruce (162) 4) G. Pallister (335) 5) S. Staunton (96) 6) D. Seaman (33) 7) T. Sheringham (24) 8) R. Houghton (285) 9) D. Wallace (175) 10) A. Shearer (58)
14. Indnyc - 1) E. Gray (34) 2) P. Thompson (145) 3) J. McGovern (36) 4) T. Brooking (5) 5) P. Shilton (6) 6) R. McFarland (10) 7) G.Sharpe (90) 8) B. Latchford (14) 9) K. Swain (8) 10) M. Mills (24)
15. KM/Invictus/Šjor Bepo - 1) M. Hughes (90) 2) E. Hughes (16) 3) T. Butcher (111) 4) D. Platt (32) 5) L. Dixon (30) 6) M. Peters (183) 7) G. Banks (19) 8) I. Callaghan (1) 9) A. Gemill (76) 10) D. Hirst (175)
    
16. Chesterlestreet -1) L. Brady 2) P. Lorimer (260) 3) W. Miller 4) J. Olsen (40) 5) A. Mullery 6) J. Aldridge (374) 7) A. Albiston 8) P. Reaney (42) 9) G. McQueen 10) R. Moses (121)

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Still a couple of decent goalies left.

Better than some picked I'd say.

 

[MJJ]

Its my turn again, right?

 

[Indnyc]

Its my turn again, right?

Yeah

 

[MJJ]

Joe Corrigan

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Joe Corrigan

There's one. Decent pick.

 

[Indnyc]

1. oneniltothearsenal - 1) K. Dalglish (10) 2) K. Sansom (7) 3) J. Robertson (16) 4) J. Molby (3) 5) G. Stevens (2) 6) C. Allen (1) 7) M. Wright (1) 8) S. McMahon (1) 9) L. Lloyd (1) 10) J. Rimmer (10) 11) A. Limpar (10)
2. green_smiley - 1) I. Rush (4) 2) D. Rocastle (31) 3) S. Jardine (7) 4) R. Kennedy (27) 5) D. Cooper (26) 6) S. Perryman (32) 7) P. Jennings (9) 8) B. Bonds (5) 9) T. Smith (2) 10) S. Bowles (11) 11) G. Mabbutt (60)
3. BeforeKeanetherewasRobson - 1) B. Robson (51) 2) T. McDermott (146) 3) D. Irwin (14) 4) D. O'Leary (10) 5) B. McClair (3) 6) C. Todd (1) 7) F. Stapleton (3) 8) B. Grobbelaar (1) 9) T. Steven (3) 10) P. Van den Hauwe (10) 11) G.Hill (4)
4. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1) P. McGrath (63) 2) A. Muhren (14) 3) P. Neal (2) 4) A. Smith (2) 5) P. Reid (3) 6) M. Lawrenson (10) 7) N. Southall (20) 8) C. Blackmore (48) 9) P. Nevin (2) 10) C. Johnston (10) 11) A.Gray (8)
5. Frank Grimes - 1) K. Keegan (480) 2) J. Giles (142) 3) B. Bremner (12) 4) S. Coppell (25) 5) S. Heighway (11) 6) J. Toshack (195) 7) P. Schmeichel (480) 8) P. Parker (9) 9) M. Malpas (20) 10) D. Watson (19) 11) D. Narey (61)
   
6. Enigma_87/TRV - 1) G. Lineker (3) 2) O. Ardiles (4) 3) D. Walker (1) 4) T. Francis (17) 5) N. Hunter (15) 6) F. Thijssen (21) 7) N. Winterburn (4) 8) K. Sheedy (9) 9) P. Rice (33) 10) F. Worthington (8) 11) J. Leighton (2)
   
7. MJJ - 1) G. Souness (180) 2) C. Bell (191) 3) R. Wilkins (7) 4) M. MacDonald (97) 5) K. Burns 6) S. Nicol (25) 7) K. Beattie (2) 8) D. Statham (480) 9) G. Armstrong (445) 10) Allan Clarke (480) 11) J. Corrigan (5)
   
8. youngrell - 1) P. Gascoigne (28) 2) M. Le Tissier (287) 3) P. Ince (2) 4) A. McLeish (11) 5) A. Kennedy (34) 6) A. McCoist (34) 7) R. Clemence (32) 8) G. Speed (205) 9) S. Bould (28) 10) P. Merson (5)
9. Cal? - 1) G. Best (10) 2) T. Adams (460) 3) S. Pearce (298) 4) G. Strachan (10) 5) G. McAllister (1) 6) E. Cantona (302) 7) D. Batty (28) 8) R. Nilsson (15) 9) M. Keown (1) 10) G. Hurst (10)
10. Gio - 1) G. Hoddle (35) 2) C. Waddle (48) 3) V. Anderson (76) 4) R. Gough (70) 5) J. Greig (24) 6) B. Lennox (11) 7) K. Ratcliffe (243) 8) P. McStay (130) 9) K. Dixon (21) 10) A. Goram (60)
11. Skizzo/Pat Mustard - 1) J. Barnes (137) 2) D. McGrain (116) 3) N. Whiteside (15) 4) M. Buchan (10) 5) J. Wark (4) 6) L. Cunningham (155) 7) M. Chivers (5) 8) R. Whelan (66) 9) B. McNeill (26) 10) C. Woods (40)
12. Tuppet - 1) A. Hansen (46) 2) P. Beardsley (91) 3) A. Ball (38) 4) J. Johnstone (10) 5) T. Cooper (97) 6) B. Murdoch (73) 7) M. England (291) 8) F. Lee (160) 9) P. Madeley (38) 10) L. Sharpe (68)
13. Oaencha - 1) R. Keane (19) 2) I. Wright 3) S. Bruce (162) 4) G. Pallister (335) 5) S. Staunton (96) 6) D. Seaman (33) 7) T. Sheringham (24) 8) R. Houghton (285) 9) D. Wallace (175) 10) A. Shearer (58)
14. Indnyc - 1) E. Gray (34) 2) P. Thompson (145) 3) J. McGovern (36) 4) T. Brooking (5) 5) P. Shilton (6) 6) R. McFarland (10) 7) G.Sharpe (90) 8) B. Latchford (14) 9) K. Swain (8) 10) M. Mills (24)
15. KM/Invictus/Šjor Bepo - 1) M. Hughes (90) 2) E. Hughes (16) 3) T. Butcher (111) 4) D. Platt (32) 5) L. Dixon (30) 6) M. Peters (183) 7) G. Banks (19) 8) I. Callaghan (1) 9) A. Gemill (76) 10) D. Hirst (175)
    
16. Chesterlestreet -1) L. Brady 2) P. Lorimer (260) 3) W. Miller 4) J. Olsen (40) 5) A. Mullery 6) J. Aldridge (374) 7) A. Albiston 8) P. Reaney (42) 9) G. McQueen 10) R. Moses (121)

@youngrell use this to calculate time

 

[youngrell]

1. oneniltothearsenal - 1) K. Dalglish (10) 2) K. Sansom (7) 3) J. Robertson (16) 4) J. Molby (3) 5) G. Stevens (2) 6) C. Allen (1) 7) M. Wright (1) 8) S. McMahon (1) 9) L. Lloyd (1) 10) J. Rimmer (10) 11) A. Limpar (10)
2. green_smiley - 1) I. Rush (4) 2) D. Rocastle (31) 3) S. Jardine (7) 4) R. Kennedy (27) 5) D. Cooper (26) 6) S. Perryman (32) 7) P. Jennings (9) 8) B. Bonds (5) 9) T. Smith (2) 10) S. Bowles (11) 11) G. Mabbutt (60)
3. BeforeKeanetherewasRobson - 1) B. Robson (51) 2) T. McDermott (146) 3) D. Irwin (14) 4) D. O'Leary (10) 5) B. McClair (3) 6) C. Todd (1) 7) F. Stapleton (3) 8) B. Grobbelaar (1) 9) T. Steven (3) 10) P. Van den Hauwe (10) 11) G.Hill (4)
4. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1) P. McGrath (63) 2) A. Muhren (14) 3) P. Neal (2) 4) A. Smith (2) 5) P. Reid (3) 6) M. Lawrenson (10) 7) N. Southall (20) 8) C. Blackmore (48) 9) P. Nevin (2) 10) C. Johnston (10) 11) A.Gray (8)
5. Frank Grimes - 1) K. Keegan (480) 2) J. Giles (142) 3) B. Bremner (12) 4) S. Coppell (25) 5) S. Heighway (11) 6) J. Toshack (195) 7) P. Schmeichel (480) 8) P. Parker (9) 9) M. Malpas (20) 10) D. Watson (19) 11) D. Narey (61)
   
6. Enigma_87/TRV - 1) G. Lineker (3) 2) O. Ardiles (4) 3) D. Walker (1) 4) T. Francis (17) 5) N. Hunter (15) 6) F. Thijssen (21) 7) N. Winterburn (4) 8) K. Sheedy (9) 9) P. Rice (33) 10) F. Worthington (8) 11) J. Leighton (2)
   
7. MJJ - 1) G. Souness (180) 2) C. Bell (191) 3) R. Wilkins (7) 4) M. MacDonald (97) 5) K. Burns 6) S. Nicol (25) 7) K. Beattie (2) 8) D. Statham (480) 9) G. Armstrong (445) 10) Allan Clarke (480) 11) J. Corrigan (5)
   
8. youngrell - 1) P. Gascoigne (28) 2) M. Le Tissier (287) 3) P. Ince (2) 4) A. McLeish (11) 5) A. Kennedy (34) 6) A. McCoist (34) 7) R. Clemence (32) 8) G. Speed (205) 9) S. Bould (28) 10) P. Merson (5), 11) M. Duxbury (40)
9. Cal? - 1) G. Best (10) 2) T. Adams (460) 3) S. Pearce (298) 4) G. Strachan (10) 5) G. McAllister (1) 6) E. Cantona (302) 7) D. Batty (28) 8) R. Nilsson (15) 9) M. Keown (1) 10) G. Hurst (10)
10. Gio - 1) G. Hoddle (35) 2) C. Waddle (48) 3) V. Anderson (76) 4) R. Gough (70) 5) J. Greig (24) 6) B. Lennox (11) 7) K. Ratcliffe (243) 8) P. McStay (130) 9) K. Dixon (21) 10) A. Goram (60)
11. Skizzo/Pat Mustard - 1) J. Barnes (137) 2) D. McGrain (116) 3) N. Whiteside (15) 4) M. Buchan (10) 5) J. Wark (4) 6) L. Cunningham (155) 7) M. Chivers (5) 8) R. Whelan (66) 9) B. McNeill (26) 10) C. Woods (40)
12. Tuppet - 1) A. Hansen (46) 2) P. Beardsley (91) 3) A. Ball (38) 4) J. Johnstone (10) 5) T. Cooper (97) 6) B. Murdoch (73) 7) M. England (291) 8) F. Lee (160) 9) P. Madeley (38) 10) L. Sharpe (68)
13. Oaencha - 1) R. Keane (19) 2) I. Wright 3) S. Bruce (162) 4) G. Pallister (335) 5) S. Staunton (96) 6) D. Seaman (33) 7) T. Sheringham (24) 8) R. Houghton (285) 9) D. Wallace (175) 10) A. Shearer (58)
14. Indnyc - 1) E. Gray (34) 2) P. Thompson (145) 3) J. McGovern (36) 4) T. Brooking (5) 5) P. Shilton (6) 6) R. McFarland (10) 7) G.Sharpe (90) 8) B. Latchford (14) 9) K. Swain (8) 10) M. Mills (24)
15. KM/Invictus/Šjor Bepo - 1) M. Hughes (90) 2) E. Hughes (16) 3) T. Butcher (111) 4) D. Platt (32) 5) L. Dixon (30) 6) M. Peters (183) 7) G. Banks (19) 8) I. Callaghan (1) 9) A. Gemill (76) 10) D. Hirst (175)
    
16. Chesterlestreet -1) L. Brady 2) P. Lorimer (260) 3) W. Miller 4) J. Olsen (40) 5) A. Mullery 6) J. Aldridge (374) 7) A. Albiston 8) P. Reaney (42) 9) G. McQueen 10) R. Moses (121)

@Cal?

 

[Enigma_87]

Still a couple of decent goalies left.

Better than some picked I'd say.

Aye, there are few. Pretty happy with Leighton. Couldn't really separate him with Goram, especially given the timeframe, but Gio made the decision easier.

To me Jennings is the outstanding keeper in the pool(given the time and off peak Banks and only one season Schmeichel) - the rest are really close to each other without particular advantage one has over the other..

 

[Gio]

Still a couple of decent goalies left.

Better than some picked I'd say.

Yeah one or two left over. One who won't get picked but who was dynamite.

 

[Indnyc]

Aye, there are few. Pretty happy with Leighton. Couldn't really separate him with Goram, especially given the timeframe, but Gio made the decision easier.

To me Jennings is the outstanding keeper in the pool(given the time and off peak Banks and only one season Schmeichel) - the rest are really close to each other without particular advantage one has over the other..

Shilton

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Shilton

Wouldn't say either is outstanding (as in, clearly the top pick) in the pool.

However, from memory I'd say that I have seen more lists with Jennings above Shilton (World Soccer Greatest 100 - and so forth) than the other way around.

Jennings is considered a legend in a way that isn't comparable to all that many - consistency of level combined with longevity, etc.

 

[Indnyc]

Wouldn't say either is outstanding (as in, clearly the top pick) in the pool.

However, from memory I'd say that I have seen more lists with Jennings above Shilton (World Soccer Greatest 100 - and so forth) than the other way around.

Jennings is considered a legend in a way that isn't comparable to all that many - consistency of level combined with longevity, etc.

I’ve always rated Shilton over any English goalkeeper bar Banks. His career is long as any and won everything at club level at a very high performance level.

The only list I have seen on goalkeepers is the IFFHS worlds goalkeeper of the century which puts him at 8 on an all time list (No Jennings in the top 10)

Would be interested in seeing any other lists if you have? I understand all of these lists are highly subjective and are dependent on whose opinion you believe more

 

[Cal?]

1. oneniltothearsenal - 1) K. Dalglish (10) 2) K. Sansom (7) 3) J. Robertson (16) 4) J. Molby (3) 5) G. Stevens (2) 6) C. Allen (1) 7) M. Wright (1) 8) S. McMahon (1) 9) L. Lloyd (1) 10) J. Rimmer (10) 11) A. Limpar (10)
2. green_smiley - 1) I. Rush (4) 2) D. Rocastle (31) 3) S. Jardine (7) 4) R. Kennedy (27) 5) D. Cooper (26) 6) S. Perryman (32) 7) P. Jennings (9) 8) B. Bonds (5) 9) T. Smith (2) 10) S. Bowles (11) 11) G. Mabbutt (60)
3. BeforeKeanetherewasRobson - 1) B. Robson (51) 2) T. McDermott (146) 3) D. Irwin (14) 4) D. O'Leary (10) 5) B. McClair (3) 6) C. Todd (1) 7) F. Stapleton (3) 8) B. Grobbelaar (1) 9) T. Steven (3) 10) P. Van den Hauwe (10) 11) G.Hill (4)
4. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1) P. McGrath (63) 2) A. Muhren (14) 3) P. Neal (2) 4) A. Smith (2) 5) P. Reid (3) 6) M. Lawrenson (10) 7) N. Southall (20) 8) C. Blackmore (48) 9) P. Nevin (2) 10) C. Johnston (10) 11) A.Gray (8)
5. Frank Grimes - 1) K. Keegan (480) 2) J. Giles (142) 3) B. Bremner (12) 4) S. Coppell (25) 5) S. Heighway (11) 6) J. Toshack (195) 7) P. Schmeichel (480) 8) P. Parker (9) 9) M. Malpas (20) 10) D. Watson (19) 11) D. Narey (61)
   
6. Enigma_87/TRV - 1) G. Lineker (3) 2) O. Ardiles (4) 3) D. Walker (1) 4) T. Francis (17) 5) N. Hunter (15) 6) F. Thijssen (21) 7) N. Winterburn (4) 8) K. Sheedy (9) 9) P. Rice (33) 10) F. Worthington (8) 11) J. Leighton (2)
   
7. MJJ - 1) G. Souness (180) 2) C. Bell (191) 3) R. Wilkins (7) 4) M. MacDonald (97) 5) K. Burns 6) S. Nicol (25) 7) K. Beattie (2) 8) D. Statham (480) 9) G. Armstrong (445) 10) Allan Clarke (480) 11) J. Corrigan (5)
   
8. youngrell - 1) P. Gascoigne (28) 2) M. Le Tissier (287) 3) P. Ince (2) 4) A. McLeish (11) 5) A. Kennedy (34) 6) A. McCoist (34) 7) R. Clemence (32) 8) G. Speed (205) 9) S. Bould (28) 10) P. Merson (5), 11) M. Duxbury (40)
9. Cal? - 1) G. Best (10) 2) T. Adams (460) 3) S. Pearce (298) 4) G. Strachan (10) 5) G. McAllister (1) 6) E. Cantona (302) 7) D. Batty (28) 8) R. Nilsson (15) 9) M. Keown (1) 10) G. Hurst (10) 11) H. van Breukelen (47)
10. Gio - 1) G. Hoddle (35) 2) C. Waddle (48) 3) V. Anderson (76) 4) R. Gough (70) 5) J. Greig (24) 6) B. Lennox (11) 7) K. Ratcliffe (243) 8) P. McStay (130) 9) K. Dixon (21) 10) A. Goram (60)
11. Skizzo/Pat Mustard - 1) J. Barnes (137) 2) D. McGrain (116) 3) N. Whiteside (15) 4) M. Buchan (10) 5) J. Wark (4) 6) L. Cunningham (155) 7) M. Chivers (5) 8) R. Whelan (66) 9) B. McNeill (26) 10) C. Woods (40)
12. Tuppet - 1) A. Hansen (46) 2) P. Beardsley (91) 3) A. Ball (38) 4) J. Johnstone (10) 5) T. Cooper (97) 6) B. Murdoch (73) 7) M. England (291) 8) F. Lee (160) 9) P. Madeley (38) 10) L. Sharpe (68)
13. Oaencha - 1) R. Keane (19) 2) I. Wright 3) S. Bruce (162) 4) G. Pallister (335) 5) S. Staunton (96) 6) D. Seaman (33) 7) T. Sheringham (24) 8) R. Houghton (285) 9) D. Wallace (175) 10) A. Shearer (58)
14. Indnyc - 1) E. Gray (34) 2) P. Thompson (145) 3) J. McGovern (36) 4) T. Brooking (5) 5) P. Shilton (6) 6) R. McFarland (10) 7) G.Sharpe (90) 8) B. Latchford (14) 9) K. Swain (8) 10) M. Mills (24)
15. KM/Invictus/Šjor Bepo - 1) M. Hughes (90) 2) E. Hughes (16) 3) T. Butcher (111) 4) D. Platt (32) 5) L. Dixon (30) 6) M. Peters (183) 7) G. Banks (19) 8) I. Callaghan (1) 9) A. Gemill (76) 10) D. Hirst (175)
    
16. Chesterlestreet -1) L. Brady 2) P. Lorimer (260) 3) W. Miller 4) J. Olsen (40) 5) A. Mullery 6) J. Aldridge (374) 7) A. Albiston 8) P. Reaney (42) 9) G. McQueen 10) R. Moses (121)

@Gio

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Would be interested in seeing any other lists if you have? I understand all of these lists are highly subjective and are dependent on whose opinion you believe more

Yeah, they're not objective by any stretch and are often based on criteria that aren't relevant at all if what you're after is peak quality. The one I referred to was the World Soccer Magazine Top 100 (players of the 20th century). It has Jennings in 87th with Yashin, Banks, Schmeichel, Zoff, Chilavert and Maier ranked higher - and Southall ranked lower. No Shilton on the list.

https://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/greatest-all-time/soccer-worldsoccer100.htm

 

[Indnyc]

Yeah, they're not objective by any stretch and are often based on criteria that aren't relevant at all if what you're after is peak quality. The one I referred to was the World Soccer Magazine Top 100 (players of the 20th century). It has Jennings in 87th with Yashin, Banks, Schmeichel, Zoff, Chilavert and Maier ranked higher - and Southall ranked lower. No Shilton on the list.

https://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/greatest-all-time/soccer-worldsoccer100.htm

Thanks! It's interesting how many English players are in the list. Would definitely think there is some bias there

 

[Gio]

@Skizzo @Pat_Mustard

 

[Gio]

1. oneniltothearsenal - 1) K. Dalglish (10) 2) K. Sansom (7) 3) J. Robertson (16) 4) J. Molby (3) 5) G. Stevens (2) 6) C. Allen (1) 7) M. Wright (1) 8) S. McMahon (1) 9) L. Lloyd (1) 10) J. Rimmer (10) 11) A. Limpar (10)
2. green_smiley - 1) I. Rush (4) 2) D. Rocastle (31) 3) S. Jardine (7) 4) R. Kennedy (27) 5) D. Cooper (26) 6) S. Perryman (32) 7) P. Jennings (9) 8) B. Bonds (5) 9) T. Smith (2) 10) S. Bowles (11) 11) G. Mabbutt (60)
3. BeforeKeanetherewasRobson - 1) B. Robson (51) 2) T. McDermott (146) 3) D. Irwin (14) 4) D. O'Leary (10) 5) B. McClair (3) 6) C. Todd (1) 7) F. Stapleton (3) 8) B. Grobbelaar (1) 9) T. Steven (3) 10) P. Van den Hauwe (10) 11) G.Hill (4)
4. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1) P. McGrath (63) 2) A. Muhren (14) 3) P. Neal (2) 4) A. Smith (2) 5) P. Reid (3) 6) M. Lawrenson (10) 7) N. Southall (20) 8) C. Blackmore (48) 9) P. Nevin (2) 10) C. Johnston (10) 11) A.Gray (8)
5. Frank Grimes - 1) K. Keegan (480) 2) J. Giles (142) 3) B. Bremner (12) 4) S. Coppell (25) 5) S. Heighway (11) 6) J. Toshack (195) 7) P. Schmeichel (480) 8) P. Parker (9) 9) M. Malpas (20) 10) D. Watson (19) 11) D. Narey (61)
   
6. Enigma_87/TRV - 1) G. Lineker (3) 2) O. Ardiles (4) 3) D. Walker (1) 4) T. Francis (17) 5) N. Hunter (15) 6) F. Thijssen (21) 7) N. Winterburn (4) 8) K. Sheedy (9) 9) P. Rice (33) 10) F. Worthington (8) 11) J. Leighton (2)
   
7. MJJ - 1) G. Souness (180) 2) C. Bell (191) 3) R. Wilkins (7) 4) M. MacDonald (97) 5) K. Burns 6) S. Nicol (25) 7) K. Beattie (2) 8) D. Statham (480) 9) G. Armstrong (445) 10) Allan Clarke (480) 11) J. Corrigan (5)
   
8. youngrell - 1) P. Gascoigne (28) 2) M. Le Tissier (287) 3) P. Ince (2) 4) A. McLeish (11) 5) A. Kennedy (34) 6) A. McCoist (34) 7) R. Clemence (32) 8) G. Speed (205) 9) S. Bould (28) 10) P. Merson (5), 11) M. Duxbury (40)
9. Cal? - 1) G. Best (10) 2) T. Adams (460) 3) S. Pearce (298) 4) G. Strachan (10) 5) G. McAllister (1) 6) E. Cantona (302) 7) D. Batty (28) 8) R. Nilsson (15) 9) M. Keown (1) 10) G. Hurst (10) 11) H. van Breukelen (47)
10. Gio - 1) G. Hoddle (35) 2) C. Waddle (48) 3) V. Anderson (76) 4) R. Gough (70) 5) J. Greig (24) 6) B. Lennox (11) 7) K. Ratcliffe (243) 8) P. McStay (130) 9) K. Dixon (21) 10) A. Goram (60) 11. T. Dorigo (8)
11. Skizzo/Pat Mustard - 1) J. Barnes (137) 2) D. McGrain (116) 3) N. Whiteside (15) 4) M. Buchan (10) 5) J. Wark (4) 6) L. Cunningham (155) 7) M. Chivers (5) 8) R. Whelan (66) 9) B. McNeill (26) 10) C. Woods (40)
12. Tuppet - 1) A. Hansen (46) 2) P. Beardsley (91) 3) A. Ball (38) 4) J. Johnstone (10) 5) T. Cooper (97) 6) B. Murdoch (73) 7) M. England (291) 8) F. Lee (160) 9) P. Madeley (38) 10) L. Sharpe (68)
13. Oaencha - 1) R. Keane (19) 2) I. Wright 3) S. Bruce (162) 4) G. Pallister (335) 5) S. Staunton (96) 6) D. Seaman (33) 7) T. Sheringham (24) 8) R. Houghton (285) 9) D. Wallace (175) 10) A. Shearer (58)
14. Indnyc - 1) E. Gray (34) 2) P. Thompson (145) 3) J. McGovern (36) 4) T. Brooking (5) 5) P. Shilton (6) 6) R. McFarland (10) 7) G.Sharpe (90) 8) B. Latchford (14) 9) K. Swain (8) 10) M. Mills (24)
15. KM/Invictus/Šjor Bepo - 1) M. Hughes (90) 2) E. Hughes (16) 3) T. Butcher (111) 4) D. Platt (32) 5) L. Dixon (30) 6) M. Peters (183) 7) G. Banks (19) 8) I. Callaghan (1) 9) A. Gemill (76) 10) D. Hirst (175)
    
16. Chesterlestreet -1) L. Brady 2) P. Lorimer (260) 3) W. Miller 4) J. Olsen (40) 5) A. Mullery 6) J. Aldridge (374) 7) A. Albiston 8) P. Reaney (42) 9) G. McQueen 10) R. Moses (121)

 

[Indnyc]

1. oneniltothearsenal - 1) K. Dalglish (10) 2) K. Sansom (7) 3) J. Robertson (16) 4) J. Molby (3) 5) G. Stevens (2) 6) C. Allen (1) 7) M. Wright (1) 8) S. McMahon (1) 9) L. Lloyd (1) 10) J. Rimmer (10) 11) A. Limpar (10)
2. green_smiley - 1) I. Rush (4) 2) D. Rocastle (31) 3) S. Jardine (7) 4) R. Kennedy (27) 5) D. Cooper (26) 6) S. Perryman (32) 7) P. Jennings (9) 8) B. Bonds (5) 9) T. Smith (2) 10) S. Bowles (11) 11) G. Mabbutt (60)
3. BeforeKeanetherewasRobson - 1) B. Robson (51) 2) T. McDermott (146) 3) D. Irwin (14) 4) D. O'Leary (10) 5) B. McClair (3) 6) C. Todd (1) 7) F. Stapleton (3) 8) B. Grobbelaar (1) 9) T. Steven (3) 10) P. Van den Hauwe (10) 11) G.Hill (4)
4. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1) P. McGrath (63) 2) A. Muhren (14) 3) P. Neal (2) 4) A. Smith (2) 5) P. Reid (3) 6) M. Lawrenson (10) 7) N. Southall (20) 8) C. Blackmore (48) 9) P. Nevin (2) 10) C. Johnston (10) 11) A.Gray (8)
5. Frank Grimes - 1) K. Keegan (480) 2) J. Giles (142) 3) B. Bremner (12) 4) S. Coppell (25) 5) S. Heighway (11) 6) J. Toshack (195) 7) P. Schmeichel (480) 8) P. Parker (9) 9) M. Malpas (20) 10) D. Watson (19) 11) D. Narey (61)
   
6. Enigma_87/TRV - 1) G. Lineker (3) 2) O. Ardiles (4) 3) D. Walker (1) 4) T. Francis (17) 5) N. Hunter (15) 6) F. Thijssen (21) 7) N. Winterburn (4) 8) K. Sheedy (9) 9) P. Rice (33) 10) F. Worthington (8) 11) J. Leighton (2)
   
7. MJJ - 1) G. Souness (180) 2) C. Bell (191) 3) R. Wilkins (7) 4) M. MacDonald (97) 5) K. Burns 6) S. Nicol (25) 7) K. Beattie (2) 8) D. Statham (480) 9) G. Armstrong (445) 10) Allan Clarke (480) 11) J. Corrigan (5)
   
8. youngrell - 1) P. Gascoigne (28) 2) M. Le Tissier (287) 3) P. Ince (2) 4) A. McLeish (11) 5) A. Kennedy (34) 6) A. McCoist (34) 7) R. Clemence (32) 8) G. Speed (205) 9) S. Bould (28) 10) P. Merson (5), 11) M. Duxbury (40)
9. Cal? - 1) G. Best (10) 2) T. Adams (460) 3) S. Pearce (298) 4) G. Strachan (10) 5) G. McAllister (1) 6) E. Cantona (302) 7) D. Batty (28) 8) R. Nilsson (15) 9) M. Keown (1) 10) G. Hurst (10) 11) H. van Breukelen (47)
10. Gio - 1) G. Hoddle (35) 2) C. Waddle (48) 3) V. Anderson (76) 4) R. Gough (70) 5) J. Greig (24) 6) B. Lennox (11) 7) K. Ratcliffe (243) 8) P. McStay (130) 9) K. Dixon (21) 10) A. Goram (60) 11. T. Dorigo (8)
11. Skizzo/Pat Mustard - 1) J. Barnes (137) 2) D. McGrain (116) 3) N. Whiteside (15) 4) M. Buchan (10) 5) J. Wark (4) 6) L. Cunningham (155) 7) M. Chivers (5) 8) R. Whelan (66) 9) B. McNeill (26) 10) C. Woods (40)
12. Tuppet - 1) A. Hansen (46) 2) P. Beardsley (91) 3) A. Ball (38) 4) J. Johnstone (10) 5) T. Cooper (97) 6) B. Murdoch (73) 7) M. England (291) 8) F. Lee (160) 9) P. Madeley (38) 10) L. Sharpe (68)
13. Oaencha - 1) R. Keane (19) 2) I. Wright (147) 3) S. Bruce (162) 4) G. Pallister (335) 5) S. Staunton (96) 6) D. Seaman (33) 7) T. Sheringham (24) 8) R. Houghton (285) 9) D. Wallace (175) 10) A. Shearer (58)
14. Indnyc - 1) E. Gray (34) 2) P. Thompson (145) 3) J. McGovern (36) 4) T. Brooking (5) 5) P. Shilton (6) 6) R. McFarland (10) 7) G.Sharpe (90) 8) B. Latchford (14) 9) K. Swain (8) 10) M. Mills (24)
15. KM/Invictus/Šjor Bepo - 1) M. Hughes (90) 2) E. Hughes (16) 3) T. Butcher (111) 4) D. Platt (32) 5) L. Dixon (30) 6) M. Peters (183) 7) G. Banks (19) 8) I. Callaghan (1) 9) A. Gemill (76) 10) D. Hirst (175)
    
16. Chesterlestreet -1) L. Brady 2) P. Lorimer (260) 3) W. Miller 4) J. Olsen (40) 5) A. Mullery 6) J. Aldridge (374) 7) A. Albiston 8) P. Reaney (42) 9) G. McQueen 10) R. Moses (121)

@Skizzo @Pat_Mustard please use this one

 

[Gio]

Wouldn't say either is outstanding (as in, clearly the top pick) in the pool.

However, from memory I'd say that I have seen more lists with Jennings above Shilton (World Soccer Greatest 100 - and so forth) than the other way around.

Jennings is considered a legend in a way that isn't comparable to all that many - consistency of level combined with longevity, etc.

I had both in a top tier with Southall close behind, then a second tier headed by Clem with another 4, and then the rest.

 

[Enigma_87]

Shilton

Think Jennings has the highest ceiling and the better overall keeper. Individually he received a lot of plaudits as well, considering he never played for a dominant team or national side at the time. He is the only one to win the PFA and FWA award as a keeper - and that in different years. If you mix up the consistency and the peak level as well as the time frame to me Jennings wins it. Shilton was always appreciated for his consistency and no doubt he was one of the best keepers in the world in his time, but personally he wasn't "the" outstanding keeper(or keepers) of the decades he took part in. Jennings was one I'd put right up there with Maier and Zoff in the 70's whilst Dasaev and Fillol were the very elite tier in the 80's.

Shilton was crazy consistent and his longevity speaks for itself but I'd probably rate the above mentioned above him in a separate tier.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

I had both in a top tier with Southall close behind, then a second tier headed by Clem with another 4, and then the rest.

Yes, that's not outrageous.

You could argue that Clem is also in that second tier - and then some four or five, and then the rest. Again, I personally would rate Southall above Clemence but if I found myself in a position where I had to argue the opposite view, that wouldn't have been an impossible task.

I remember him - Clem - ranking wildly high on some list or other I linked to once (when I ended up with Clemence in a draft). Something more serious, I mean - a football magazine of some repute, not Internet randomers.

 

[Indnyc]

Think Jennings has the highest ceiling and the better overall keeper. Individually he received a lot of plaudits as well, considering he never played for a dominant team or national side at the time. He is the only one to win the PFA and FWA award as a keeper - and that in different years. If you mix up the consistency and the peak level as well as the time frame to me Jennings wins it. Shilton was always appreciated for his consistency and no doubt he was one of the best keepers in the world in his time, but personally he wasn't "the" outstanding keeper(or keepers) of the decades he took part in. Jennings was one I'd put right up there with Maier and Zoff in the 70's whilst Dasaev and Fillol were the very elite tier in the 80's.

Shilton was crazy consistent and his longevity speaks for itself but I'd probably rate the above mentioned above him in a separate tier.

That's a fair point on PFA and FWA awards as a keeper. Shilton never won those but was in the PFA team of the year 10 times which is a testimony to how well he performed. I can see that between the two, it comes down to preference and there is no way to objectively differentiate between the two

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Think Jennings has the highest ceiling and the better overall keeper. Individually he received a lot of plaudits as well, considering he never played for a dominant team or national side at the time. He is the only one to win the PFA and FWA award as a keeper - and that in different years. If you mix up the consistency and the peak level as well as the time frame to me Jennings wins it. Shilton was always appreciated for his consistency and no doubt he was one of the best keepers in the world in his time, but personally he wasn't "the" outstanding keeper(or keepers) of the decades he took part in. Jennings was one I'd put right up there with Maier and Zoff in the 70's whilst Dasaev and Fillol were the very elite tier in the 80's.

Shilton was crazy consistent and his longevity speaks for itself but I'd probably rate the above mentioned above him in a separate tier.

I'd say Jennings had the advantage of playing for better club sides over his career - Tottenham and Arsenal were definitely more resourceful as clubs than Shilton's group of Southampton, Leicester City, Stoke and Derby in the early 80s. Only Forest was a top side for a few years while Shilton was there.

 

[Gio]

Yeah there is not a lot between Southall and Clemence from all accounts, same for Shilton and Jennings. It is difficult to judge keepers though unless you have lived through their era. We tend to assess them on their (lack of) mistakes and you really need to look at the full portfolio, rather than the highlights, to get a feel for that.

 

[Cal?]

Personally very pleased with the pick of Hans van Breukelen at this stage.

 

[Enigma_87]

Yes, that's not outrageous.

You could argue that Clem is also in that second tier - and then some four or five, and then the rest. Again, I personally would rate Southall above Clemence but if I found myself in a position where I had to argue the opposite view, that wouldn't have been an impossible task.

I remember him - Clem - ranking wildly high on some list or other I linked to once (when I ended up with Clemence in a draft). Something more serious, I mean - a football magazine of some repute, not Internet randomers.

Yeah spot on there. I'd have it the same way, but perhaps Clemence is a bit underrated at these in terms of general opinion.

That's a fair point on PFA and FWA awards as a keeper. Shilton never won those but was in the PFA team of the year 10 times which is a testimony to how well he performed. I can see that between the two, it comes down to preference and there is no way to objectively differentiate between the two

It does indeed. Depends especially what are you looking at in a keeper whilst comparing them as they are quite different and have different style(top keepers from those eras as a whole). It's subjective matter of course and you have valid claim for Shilton as he was indeed one of the best in the world for 2 decades.

Think Shilton has the PFA award whilst playing for Forest.

 

[Indnyc]

Yeah spot on there. I'd have it the same way, but perhaps Clemence is a bit underrated at these in terms of general opinion.


It does indeed. Depends especially what are you looking at in a keeper whilst comparing them as they are quite different and have different style(top keepers from those eras as a whole). It's subjective matter of course and you have valid claim for Shilton as he was indeed one of the best in the world for 2 decades.

Think Shilton has the PFA award whilst playing for Forest.

Yeah i missed that.. 1977/78

 

[Enigma_87]

I'd say Jennings had the advantage of playing for better club sides over his career - Tottenham and Arsenal were definitely more resourceful as clubs than Shilton's group of Southampton, Leicester City, Stoke and Derby in the early 80s. Only Forest was a top side for a few years while Shilton was there.

Yes you are right on that account(early 70's), but then Shilton with Forest received international recognition in the EC and also England was much better side internationally than NI. He reached his peak under Clough as well and the stars aligned pretty well for him both at club and NT level, considering the dire English sides of the early 70's.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Yeah one or two left over. One who won't get picked but who was dynamite.

PM me, I'm curious to see if same as couple I had on my list (and not going to pick another goalie... only way I'd change is if picking from other players and that won't happen as I won't get through)

@Skizzo @Pat_Mustard

Had a list of three last night, he was one of them. Went for PVDH as really liked that EFC team and he's Welsh(ish).

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Yes you are right on that account(early 70's), but then Shilton with Forest received international recognition in the EC and also England was much better side internationally than NI. He reached his peak under Clough as well and the stars aligned pretty well for him both at club and NT level, considering the dire English sides of the early 70's.

Yeah I think you could say his peak was for a better side but outside those 3-4 years Jennings generally had better sides to play for.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

1. oneniltothearsenal - 1) K. Dalglish (10) 2) K. Sansom (7) 3) J. Robertson (16) 4) J. Molby (3) 5) G. Stevens (2) 6) C. Allen (1) 7) M. Wright (1) 8) S. McMahon (1) 9) L. Lloyd (1) 10) J. Rimmer (10) 11) A. Limpar (10)
2. green_smiley - 1) I. Rush (4) 2) D. Rocastle (31) 3) S. Jardine (7) 4) R. Kennedy (27) 5) D. Cooper (26) 6) S. Perryman (32) 7) P. Jennings (9) 8) B. Bonds (5) 9) T. Smith (2) 10) S. Bowles (11) 11) G. Mabbutt (60)
3. BeforeKeanetherewasRobson - 1) B. Robson (51) 2) T. McDermott (146) 3) D. Irwin (14) 4) D. O'Leary (10) 5) B. McClair (3) 6) C. Todd (1) 7) F. Stapleton (3) 8) B. Grobbelaar (1) 9) T. Steven (3) 10) P. Van den Hauwe (10) 11) G.Hill (4)
4. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1) P. McGrath (63) 2) A. Muhren (14) 3) P. Neal (2) 4) A. Smith (2) 5) P. Reid (3) 6) M. Lawrenson (10) 7) N. Southall (20) 8) C. Blackmore (48) 9) P. Nevin (2) 10) C. Johnston (10) 11) A.Gray (8)
5. Frank Grimes - 1) K. Keegan (480) 2) J. Giles (142) 3) B. Bremner (12) 4) S. Coppell (25) 5) S. Heighway (11) 6) J. Toshack (195) 7) P. Schmeichel (480) 8) P. Parker (9) 9) M. Malpas (20) 10) D. Watson (19) 11) D. Narey (61)
   
6. Enigma_87/TRV - 1) G. Lineker (3) 2) O. Ardiles (4) 3) D. Walker (1) 4) T. Francis (17) 5) N. Hunter (15) 6) F. Thijssen (21) 7) N. Winterburn (4) 8) K. Sheedy (9) 9) P. Rice (33) 10) F. Worthington (8) 11) J. Leighton (2)
   
7. MJJ - 1) G. Souness (180) 2) C. Bell (191) 3) R. Wilkins (7) 4) M. MacDonald (97) 5) K. Burns 6) S. Nicol (25) 7) K. Beattie (2) 8) D. Statham (480) 9) G. Armstrong (445) 10) Allan Clarke (480) 11) J. Corrigan (5)
   
8. youngrell - 1) P. Gascoigne (28) 2) M. Le Tissier (287) 3) P. Ince (2) 4) A. McLeish (11) 5) A. Kennedy (34) 6) A. McCoist (34) 7) R. Clemence (32) 8) G. Speed (205) 9) S. Bould (28) 10) P. Merson (5), 11) M. Duxbury (40)
9. Cal? - 1) G. Best (10) 2) T. Adams (460) 3) S. Pearce (298) 4) G. Strachan (10) 5) G. McAllister (1) 6) E. Cantona (302) 7) D. Batty (28) 8) R. Nilsson (15) 9) M. Keown (1) 10) G. Hurst (10) 11) H. van Breukelen (47)
10. Gio - 1) G. Hoddle (35) 2) C. Waddle (48) 3) V. Anderson (76) 4) R. Gough (70) 5) J. Greig (24) 6) B. Lennox (11) 7) K. Ratcliffe (243) 8) P. McStay (130) 9) K. Dixon (21) 10) A. Goram (60) 11. T. Dorigo (8)
11. Skizzo/Pat Mustard - 1) J. Barnes (137) 2) D. McGrain (116) 3) N. Whiteside (15) 4) M. Buchan (10) 5) J. Wark (4) 6) L. Cunningham (155) 7) M. Chivers (5) 8) R. Whelan (66) 9) B. McNeill (26) 10) C. Woods (40) 11) C. Knowles (60)
12. Tuppet - 1) A. Hansen (46) 2) P. Beardsley (91) 3) A. Ball (38) 4) J. Johnstone (10) 5) T. Cooper (97) 6) B. Murdoch (73) 7) M. England (291) 8) F. Lee (160) 9) P. Madeley (38) 10) L. Sharpe (68)
13. Oaencha - 1) R. Keane (19) 2) I. Wright (147) 3) S. Bruce (162) 4) G. Pallister (335) 5) S. Staunton (96) 6) D. Seaman (33) 7) T. Sheringham (24) 8) R. Houghton (285) 9) D. Wallace (175) 10) A. Shearer (58)
14. Indnyc - 1) E. Gray (34) 2) P. Thompson (145) 3) J. McGovern (36) 4) T. Brooking (5) 5) P. Shilton (6) 6) R. McFarland (10) 7) G.Sharpe (90) 8) B. Latchford (14) 9) K. Swain (8) 10) M. Mills (24)
15. KM/Invictus/Šjor Bepo - 1) M. Hughes (90) 2) E. Hughes (16) 3) T. Butcher (111) 4) D. Platt (32) 5) L. Dixon (30) 6) M. Peters (183) 7) G. Banks (19) 8) I. Callaghan (1) 9) A. Gemill (76) 10) D. Hirst (175)
    
16. Chesterlestreet -1) L. Brady 2) P. Lorimer (260) 3) W. Miller 4) J. Olsen (40) 5) A. Mullery 6) J. Aldridge (374) 7) A. Albiston 8) P. Reaney (42) 9) G. McQueen 10) R. Moses (121)

@Tuppet

 

[Enigma_87]

Yeah I think you could say his peak was for a better side but outside those 3-4 years Jennings generally had better sides to play for.

aye, that's fair.

 

[Indnyc]

1. oneniltothearsenal - 1) K. Dalglish (10) 2) K. Sansom (7) 3) J. Robertson (16) 4) J. Molby (3) 5) G. Stevens (2) 6) C. Allen (1) 7) M. Wright (1) 8) S. McMahon (1) 9) L. Lloyd (1) 10) J. Rimmer (10) 11) A. Limpar (10)

2. green_smiley - 1) I. Rush (4) 2) D. Rocastle (31) 3) S. Jardine (7) 4) R. Kennedy (27) 5) D. Cooper (26) 6) S. Perryman (32) 7) P. Jennings (9) 8) B. Bonds (5) 9) T. Smith (2) 10) S. Bowles (11) 11) G. Mabbutt (60)

3. BeforeKeanetherewasRobson - 1) B. Robson (51) 2) T. McDermott (146) 3) D. Irwin (14) 4) D. O'Leary (10) 5) B. McClair (3) 6) C. Todd (1) 7) F. Stapleton (3) 8) B. Grobbelaar (1) 9) T. Steven (3) 10) P. Van den Hauwe (10) 11) G.Hill (4)

4. Edgar Allan Pillow - 1) P. McGrath (63) 2) A. Muhren (14) 3) P. Neal (2) 4) A. Smith (2) 5) P. Reid (3) 6) M. Lawrenson (10) 7) N. Southall (20) 8) C. Blackmore (48) 9) P. Nevin (2) 10) C. Johnston (10) 11) A.Gray (8)

5. Frank Grimes - 1) K. Keegan (480) 2) J. Giles (142) 3) B. Bremner (12) 4) S. Coppell (25) 5) S. Heighway (11) 6) J. Toshack (195) 7) P. Schmeichel (480) 8) P. Parker (9) 9) M. Malpas (20) 10) D. Watson (19) 11) D. Narey (61)

6. Enigma_87/TRV - 1) G. Lineker (3) 2) O. Ardiles (4) 3) D. Walker (1) 4) T. Francis (17) 5) N. Hunter (15) 6) F. Thijssen (21) 7) N. Winterburn (4) 8) K. Sheedy (9) 9) P. Rice (33) 10) F. Worthington (8) 11) J. Leighton (2)

7. MJJ - 1) G. Souness (180) 2) C. Bell (191) 3) R. Wilkins (7) 4) M. MacDonald (97) 5) K. Burns 6) S. Nicol (25) 7) K. Beattie (2) 8) D. Statham (480) 9) G. Armstrong (445) 10) Allan Clarke (480) 11) J. Corrigan (5)

8. youngrell - 1) P. Gascoigne (28) 2) M. Le Tissier (287) 3) P. Ince (2) 4) A. McLeish (11) 5) A. Kennedy (34) 6) A. McCoist (34) 7) R. Clemence (32) 8) G. Speed (205) 9) S. Bould (28) 10) P. Merson (5), 11) M. Duxbury (40)

9. Cal? - 1) G. Best (10) 2) T. Adams (460) 3) S. Pearce (298) 4) G. Strachan (10) 5) G. McAllister (1) 6) E. Cantona (302) 7) D. Batty (28) 8) R. Nilsson (15) 9) M. Keown (1) 10) G. Hurst (10) 11) H. van Breukelen (47)

10. Gio - 1) G. Hoddle (35) 2) C. Waddle (48) 3) V. Anderson (76) 4) R. Gough (70) 5) J. Greig (24) 6) B. Lennox (11) 7) K. Ratcliffe (243) 8) P. McStay (130) 9) K. Dixon (21) 10) A. Goram (60) 11. T. Dorigo (8)

11. Skizzo/Pat Mustard - 1) J. Barnes (137) 2) D. McGrain (116) 3) N. Whiteside (15) 4) M. Buchan (10) 5) J. Wark (4) 6) L. Cunningham (155) 7) M. Chivers (5) 8) R. Whelan (66) 9) B. McNeill (26) 10) C. Woods (40) 11) C. Knowles (60)

12. Tuppet - 1) A. Hansen (46) 2) P. Beardsley (91) 3) A. Ball (38) 4) J. Johnstone (10) 5) T. Cooper (97) 6) B. Murdoch (73) 7) M. England (291) 8) F. Lee (160) 9) P. Madeley (38) 10) L. Sharpe (68)

13. Oaencha - 1) R. Keane (19) 2) I. Wright (147) 3) S. Bruce (162) 4) G. Pallister (335) 5) S. Staunton (96) 6) D. Seaman (33) 7) T. Sheringham (24) 8) R. Houghton (285) 9) D. Wallace (175) 10) A. Shearer (58)

14. Indnyc - 1) E. Gray (34) 2) P. Thompson (145) 3) J. McGovern (36) 4) T. Brooking (5) 5) P. Shilton (6) 6) R. McFarland (10) 7) G.Sharpe (90) 8) B. Latchford (14) 9) K. Swain (8) 10) M. Mills (24)

15. KM/Invictus/Šjor Bepo - 1) M. Hughes (90) 2) E. Hughes (16) 3) T. Butcher (111) 4) D. Platt (32) 5) L. Dixon (30) 6) M. Peters (183) 7) G. Banks (19) 8) I. Callaghan (1) 9) A. Gemill (76) 10) D. Hirst (175)

16. Chesterlestreet -1) L. Brady 2) P. Lorimer (260) 3) W. Miller 4) J. Olsen (40) 5) A. Mullery 6) J. Aldridge (374) 7) A. Albiston 8) P. Reaney (42) 9) G. McQueen 10) R. Moses (121)

@Tuppet could you use this one please

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Oh, just noticed we just get 12 picks and not 14. Damn! That double right winger is going to cost me lots.