Well it is if you’re going by the rules. If you think TAA intentionally blocked him then it’s a foul, but he clearly doesn’t as he doesn’t even know where he is!
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it is if they're both running in the same directionDCL is running towards the ball to tap it into the net. The onus isn't on him to avoid TAA sliding into him. The onus is on TAA to make sure his deliberate slide along the ground doesn't make contact with a player and prevent them from playing the ball.
No you think about itPlease think about this for a moment
DCL was looking for it though. 100%.
he chooses the easiest path and messed it up. Extremely lucky to get that given. If you try and leapfrog a bollard in the street and catch your knee on it you aren’t suing the council are you? This is bonkers
TAA DOESNT SLIDE INTO HIM he is already there! Lewin comes from behind him and hits into him! You guys are nuts
I’ll be honest I can’t figure out if that’s a penalty or not. At first I thought stone wall pen, then on replay I thought it was harsh.
He sort of runs into the back of TAA, but then has TAA obstructed him, I’m struggling tbh.
He sort of runs into the back of TAA, but then has TAA obstructed him, I’m struggling tbh.
You probably would if the council erected it during the precise moment in time you happened to be moving in that direction. Plus, it'd be well rude.No you think about it
he chooses the easiest path and messed it up. Extremely lucky to get that given. If you try and leapfrog a bollard in the street and catch your knee on it you aren’t suing the council are you? This is bonkers
P.s. I'm enjoying this debate.
I thought the penalty award and non-red card was the correct decision. On Calvert-Lewin's original shot, Alexander-Arnold lunges and makes a genuine attempt to play the ball. The result of TAA's lunge is that he ends up where he does when Alisson parries the ball and Calvert-Lewin trips over him. It needs to be a penalty because it almost certainly prevents a goal being scored, but I don't have an issue with the ref's interpretation that the offence committed by TAA was a result of him trying to play the ball.
If it's as you say, then any defender can just innocently slide in front of an attacker's space and force him to run into them, or go aroundTAA DOESNT SLIDE INTO HIM he is already there! Lewin comes from behind him and hits into him! You guys are nuts
Yes that's why everybody is saying it's a penalty and a red card
Common sense doesn't come into it
It's the reason David luiz got sent off too, as he clearly was running and made no attempt to make a challenge
As it stands now, if you deny a goal scoring challenge it's a penalty
If you aren't attempting to play the ball it's a red
I don't know why you keep bringing up intentionally?
That has absolutely no baring on whether a penalty should be given or not
TAA DOESNT SLIDE INTO HIM he is already there! Lewin comes from behind him and hits into him! You guys are nuts
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Not only is TAA still sliding when contact is made, he continues sliding beyond that point too.
No because that would be intending on blocking the attacker, you can’t deviate your path on purpose to stop somebody.
his action of sliding is to block the shot, not block DCL getting to the spilt shot. 2 phases of play are very important here.
The series of events is:
1 - Ball is played through
2 - TAA goes to block it with a slide tackle
3 - TAA doesn't win the ball
4 - TAA obstructs DCL from getting the ball as it's being palmed back from Alisson's paw creating an obvious goalscoring opportunity.
Admittedly DCL doesn't pole vault over the boy and TAA didn't mean to kill him but it's definitely an obstruction of sorts.
Edit - Also DCL knew what he was doing and did it well he did.
No this and David luiz are nothing alike at all. Very very different. Luiz creates the contact.
So you admit it’s still the first action of him blocking the shot.
You can see it yourself! He’s already off balance and stumbling and runs into him
just admit you thought he did more than you remembered and let’s move on this is tedious.No no, I want to keep going. Eventually we'll be having pistols at dawnSo you admit it’s still the first action of him blocking the shot.
You can see it yourself! He’s already off balance and stumbling and runs into him
Ugh! Look im having a hard time with this as I’m absolutely pissing myself laughing at liverpool losing again, but my love of football is stopping me enjoying this one.No no, I want to keep going. Eventually we'll be having pistols at dawn
Football is a contact sport and sometimes things happen, this is just 1 of those freak situations where you have to say it’s a coming together and play on.
The players back foot kicks luiz which causes the stumble
But regardless you're missing the point
You keep bringing up if a foul is intentional or not, and that's irrelevant
There's only one action, him sliding with the intent of blocking the shot.So you admit it’s still the first action of him blocking the shot.
You can see it yourself! He’s already off balance and stumbling and runs into him
As people keep telling you though, what he intended to do has absolutely zero bearing on whether it's a penalty or not.
He slid, he made contact with the player, it's a penalty. When he makes the decision to slide, it's his responsibility to make sure that contact doesn't happen, accidentally or not. It isn't DCL's responsibility to avoid the player sliding into him as he goes to play the ball. Whether he intended for it to be a block or a tackle couldn't be any less relevant.
It really isn’t as it’s DCL that runs into the player on the floor. If TAA did an intentional action to trip him it would be a penalty, he didn’t. You can’t just run into a player and then hit the floor you realise that right?
He didn’t make contact with DCL, DCL made contact with him. stop making it up to suit your agenda. If TAA is ahead of Lewin how can it be him initiating the contact? Use your brain please.
You keep bringing up intentional action
Intent was removed from the rules
You either accept that or keep bringing it up, that's up to you as you clearly want to ignore that
How many times are you going to be reminded that intent is irrelevant before the point finally gets through to you?
Anyway Fulham 0-0 Sheffield United
Can clearly see the excitement for this game from all
Can clearly see the excitement for this game from all
How many times are you going to understand that he has to intentionally be blocking him getting the ball for it to be a foul? He’s allowed to be sitting on the floor if he wants.
say he’s sitting in the centre circle looking at his own goal meditating and DCL decides to run after a ball and runs straight into him instead of going around, is that a foul?
Of course he made contact with DCL. One player was running to the ball, the other slid into him.
You're having an absolute mare here. A few posts ago you were trying to argue he wasn't sliding when we can all see he was, now you're trying to argue that it's the guy running to the ball's responsibility to avoid the guy sliding into him nowhere near the ball.
I don’t even...
but its the rest of us that have no common sense.No he doesn't! Intent has zero to do with whether it's a foul or not. It's not even a factor in the decision.
He seems to have the idea that TAA just sat there innocently and DCL just ran into him, when it's clear TAA is still sliding even right now long after the contact.
Yoda?
Anyway, I agree. DCL played "kneeing TAA in the back of the head to win a penalty" brilliantly.
Fulham ahead. 1-0. Lookman.
Certainly makes it hairy for Newcastle if we boot them tomorrow
What a shame eh. My heart bleeds for our verminous friends.
Definitely. Think they will sack Brucie if that happens. All Ashley is bothered about is being in the PL.
Fulham win.
Fair play to Fulham. They've given themselves half a chance here.
Newcastle were so dependent on Wilson, having him out for 8 weeks could put them in serious trouble.
They play Fulham as their final game this season too.
They play Fulham as their final game this season too.
Ok, I’ll have a go
DCL makes the most of initial contact as it is default action nowadays. Probably could’ve avoided him but took the easy route. Thus far not a pen but cunto flicks his foot at him in an attempt to trip even though he is already going over. Pen for that last action.... and for being a dipper
DCL makes the most of initial contact as it is default action nowadays. Probably could’ve avoided him but took the easy route. Thus far not a pen but cunto flicks his foot at him in an attempt to trip even though he is already going over. Pen for that last action.... and for being a dipper
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Fulham scratching and clawing their way back to a chance of survival.