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So 'best in the world' gerrard v 'greatest player of his generation' scholes

I know which id rather have, there would be no instance id choose gerrard over scholes (unless i was putting together a shit 80s playlist for a wedding or something)
 

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Perhaps, so let's see what managers and players think:

Marcello Lippi:“Paul Scholes would have been one of my first choices for putting together a great team - that goes to show how highly I have always rated him. He would have been one of the first players I’d have bought, given the chance”

Glenn Hoddle: "There isn't a player of his mould anywhere in the world."

Laurent Blanc: "I tell anyone who asks me – Scholes is the best English player."

Zinedine Zidane: "My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder. Scholes is undoubtedly the greatest midfielder of his generation. There is no doubt for me that Paul Scholes is still in a class of his own. He’s almost untouchable in what he does. I never tire of watching him play. You rarely come across the complete footballer, but Scholes is as close to it as you can get. One of my regrets is that the opportunity to play alongside him never presented itself during my career."

Thierry Henry: "Without any doubt the best player in the Premiership has to be Scholes. He knows how to do everything, and he is one who directs the way his team plays. On top of that, he has indestructible mental strength and he is a genuine competitor. I can't understand why Scholes has never won the player of the year award. He should have won it long ago. Maybe it's because he doesn't seek the limelight like some of the other 'stars'."

Jose Mourinho: “Why isn’t he playing for England? It is crazy. Only in England. Scholes is a great, great player. So experienced and still, for me, one of the best in the world in midfield. Manchester United are lucky to have him.”

Xabi Alonso: "Fans in Spain rate him very highly and I admire him a huge amount. To me Paul [Scholes] is a role model. He is the best midfielder I’ve seen in the last 15 or 20 years.”

Cesc Fabregas: "He is the one whose level I aspire to. He is the best player in the Premier League."

Alan Hansen: "He is one of the top three to five players to have ever played in the Premier League - his passing, movement and technique set examples to everyone, not just younger players."

Patrick Vieira: "The player in the Premiership I admire most? Easy - Scholes."

Xavi: ‘In the last 15 to 20 years the best central midfielder that I have seen — the most complete — is Scholes. I have spoken with Xabi Alonso about this many times. Scholes is a spectacular player who has everything. He can play the final pass, he can score, he is strong, he never gets knocked off the ball and he doesn’t give possession away. If he had been Spanish then maybe he would have been valued more.’

Micah Richards : "He's always in the right position, always seems to be at the end of the box when the ball drops in. The complete midfielder - when he's fit, he's the best. Some go missing but he's in the right place at the right time. He's my favourite player of all-time, unbelievable. If you give him a chance it's a goal, isn't it?"

Alan Shearer : "If you ask footballers to pick out the player they most admire, so many of them will pick Paul Scholes. He can tackle, and his passing and shooting is of the highest level. He’s the most consistent and naturally gifted player we’ve had for a long, long time."

Eidur Gudjohnsen : "I'm more an admirer of Paul Scholes than I am of Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a fantastic player, but he has 10 other great players around him every week...Scholes is one of the most complete footballers I've ever seen. His one-touch play is phenomenal. Whenever I have played against him, I never felt I could get close to him."

Edgar Davids : ""Every one of us (midfielders) is just trying to become as good as him. Everyone can learn from Paul Scholes."

Edgar Davids : "I'm not the best, Paul Scholes is."

Sam Allardyce : "There is not a better midfield player in the world."

Kevin Keegan : "What United have got that Chelsea haven't is Paul Scholes. I think he is different to anything else in English football."

Gordon Strachan : "Paul Scholes has been the best England midfield player for 30-odd years. You'd probably have to go back to Bobby Charlton to find someone who could do as much as Scholes. When the ball arrives at his feet he could tell you where every player on that pitch is at that moment. His awareness is superb."

Veron while at Chelsea being asked in an interview who's the best english player : "Paul Scholes."

Park Ji Sung when asked by the club’s official home page which United player he would like to see in the red shirt of the Taeguk Warriors : “It has to be Paul Scholes.”

David Beckham said that, among his teammates at Real Madrid, which included Zinedine Zidane, Raúl, Ronaldo, Luís Figo and Roberto Carlos, Scholes was the most admired opponent : "He's always one of those people others talk about. Even playing at Real Madrid, the players always say to me 'what's he like'? They respect him as a footballer, and to have that respect from some of those players is great."

Brian Kidd : "Paul Scholes had the best football brain I'd ever seen in a kid. Let's face it. Paul Scholes is in a class of its own."

Rio Ferdinand : "I can honestly say Paul is the best player in the England squad. For me he is the complete player."

Rio Ferdinand : "For me, it's Paul Scholes. He'll do ridiculous things in training like say, "You see that tree over there?" - it'll be 40 yards away - "I'm going to hit it". And he'll do it. Everyone at the club considers him the best."

Phil Neville : "Paul, for me, is the best player in the England team. It worries teams. Speak to any other international team and they will single Paul out as England's key player. For me, he doesn't get the full credit that he deserves. He is a world-class player and deserves to be up there with the likes of Zidane and Figo."

Gary Neville : "I wouldn't swap Paul Scholes for anybody. He is quite simply the most complete footballer I have ever played with. He is the best."

Gary Neville : "Paul Scholes is the best player I've ever played with. There's talent in every part of his game."

Steve Bruce : "He's the best player in Britain in my opinion and he has to get himself fit just before we are due to play at Old Trafford. I cannot pay Paul a bigger compliment than to say that he's the most complete footballer in the country. The best bar none."

Roy Keane : "An amazingly gifted player who remained an unaffected human being."

George Best : "To be honest I think England have lost their best player. Certainly he's the most consistent and naturally gifted player we've had for a long, long time."

Sir Bobby Charlton : "I am sorry for England because they don't have any player like him. You can talk about others but there is no one else like him. He is the best technical player England has without any question. He could have had a lot more caps if he had carried on. And if I was the manager he would have ended up with more than I did – easy"

Sir Bobby Charlton : "He’s always so in control and pinpoint accurate with his passing – a beautiful player to watch."

Sir Bobby Charlton : "Paul Scholes is my favourite player. He epitomises the spirit of Manchester United and everything that is good about football."

Sir Alex Ferguson : "Very few players can do that, but Scholes is one of them - and I knew he was one of them. That's why, without question, I think Paul Scholes is the best player in England. He's got the best skills, the best brain. No one can match him."

Ronaldinho: "I want to pass like him. Who taught him how to do that?"

Messi: “At La Masia his name was mentioned a lot. He’s a teacher.”

Gerard Pique: “One of the best players I’ve ever seen in my life. Spectacular in training. Playing with him was a joy.”

Pep Guardiola: “Out of everyone at Manchester United, I would pick out Scholes – he is the best midfielder of his generation. I would have loved to have played alongside him."

Wayne Rooney: "The best I've played with - no question. His touch, passing, vision, composure is outstanding. I try to copy him."

C. Ronaldo: "He is the best I've played with. He is amazing."

Roy Keane: “Scholesy is just the model professional. I remember that whenever we were playing in Europe, at half-time there were players running to get his shirt. That just goes to show how highly he’s thought of on the continent. He’s a master.”

Emmanuel Petit: "At Arsenal, me and Patrick Vieira didn't want to face Scholes. We would avoid him."

Andriy Schevchenko: "They have two of the world's best young players in Ronaldo and Rooney, but the player who most impresses me is Paul Scholes. He is United's most important player, and makes most things happen on the pitch."

Michael Owen: "Nobody on this planet has a range of passing like Paul Scholes. Training every day is a pleasure just watching him."

Sir Alex Ferguson : Sir Alex Ferguson gave evidence in court on behalf of one of his former trainees and listened to the prosecution barrister's list of United's top players.

"You've missed Paul Scholes - and he's my best player," Ferguson chided her.
You forgot the most important one, Bebe:

Q: Who was the best player at Manchester United?

Paul Scholes. He is three times as good as other players.
 

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In other news, what the hell have Sunderland been smoking recently? The most in form team in the league right now, beat Chelsea and United away and could have got a win against City away if it weren't for a Mannone error.

It's simply amazing what Poyet has done.
I wonder what the odds were a month ago on them staying up? I honestly saw them as down and out with having to play those three away games.

Fair play to them on staying up although I'm not a Poyet fan.
 

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Meaning it's not a comparable list. I'm not denying people don't rate Gerrard, I'm just saying that Scholes is rated higher by more people.
I agree but Gerrard has also been very highly rated all round after all he has come 3rd in the world player of the year and won UEFA Club Footballer of the Year. Which is the most clear recognition a player can have.
 

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I agree but Gerrard has also been very highly rated all round after all he has come 3rd in the world player of the year and won UEFA Club Footballer of the Year. Which is the most clear recognition a player can have.
No one has said that he hasn't been very highly rated, he's just not been as highly rated as Scholes.
 

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What's your point? He left a club that even though smaller than Villa, showed willingness to splash some money. He instead went to a job where the owner has clearly lost interest in pumping his own money in and adjusted the finances accordingly.
I don't quite see your point neither. Lambert has spent 60M since he's been at Villa, in comparison to Norwich's 40M from 11/12 season onwards. My point is that he should be doing a lot better with the money he has spent. Most of the players he got in are not good enough. Ultimately, that comes down to the manager.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/norwich-city-transfers.html
 

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City winning is so underwhelming for me and I'm not sure why. I'm pleased Liverpool didn't win it but I just feel very meh about City winning it.
 

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City winning is so underwhelming for me and I'm not sure why. I'm pleased Liverpool didn't win it but I just feel very meh about City winning it.
Probably because we were favourites to win it at the beginning of the season. Same reason every neutral is excited by the prospect of Atletico Madrid winning La Liga and indifferent towards Juve and Bayern winning the Italian and German leagues respectively.
 

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So City are on 100 goals this season and the record is 103 by Chelsea in 2010. Why does it not seem very impressive this time around?
 

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I thought it was. They scored 103 girls (the first team ever to get into triple figures), beating the previous record of 97 we set in 2000.

This season, both Liverpool and City look like breaking the 100 goal barrier, with the next highest being Chelsea at 69. It's been impressive from the top two.

The best record in the PL era was Chelsea only conceding 15 goals in an entire season. That was fecking ridiculous.
 

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So City are on 100 goals this season and the record is 103 by Chelsea in 2010. Why does it not seem very impressive this time around?
Teams like Norwich and Arsenal (which they scored 13 against in 2 games) seemed to just bend over and let City have their way with them. Undoubtedly it's impressive to get a team into a position where they see no point fighting the onslaught any longer but it isn't a true reflection of the disparity in ability between City and the teams which they've battered, only the disparity in the attitude. Scholes alluded to it in his interview on Sky. Arsenal having no grit when behind or chasing possession.

They deserve credit (City) for having the fear factor of destroying a teams morale that much but it isn't really accurate or reflective. When Chelsea did it in 2010, they had an 8-0 (maybe even two) victory in which the effort levels of the team they player were minimal past 3-0.
 

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I thought it was. They scored 103 girls (the first team ever to get into triple figures), beating the previous record of 97 we set in 2000.

This season, both Liverpool and City look like breaking the 100 goal barrier, with the next highest being Chelsea at 69. It's been impressive from the top two.

The best record in the PL era was Chelsea only conceding 15 goals in an entire season. That was fecking ridiculous.
I'll be amazed if that record of 15 is ever beaten. It's stupid looking back.
 

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City winning is so underwhelming for me and I'm not sure why. I'm pleased Liverpool didn't win it but I just feel very meh about City winning it.
They are not half convincing for a team that spent close to a billion dollars in the last few years. The two titles would have been gifted to them, United a couple of years back and Chelsea/Liverpool this season, instead of them winning it comprehensively. It's a fecking travesty.
 

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I thought it was. They scored 103 girls (the first team ever to get into triple figures), beating the previous record of 97 we set in 2000.

This season, both Liverpool and City look like breaking the 100 goal barrier, with the next highest being Chelsea at 69. It's been impressive from the top two.

The best record in the PL era was Chelsea only conceding 15 goals in an entire season. That was fecking ridiculous.
Unfortunate typo in the first paragraph.
 

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Probably because we were favourites to win it at the beginning of the season. Same reason every neutral is excited by the prospect of Atletico Madrid winning La Liga and indifferent towards Juve and Bayern winning the Italian and German leagues respectively.
With all due respect...comparing City with Bayern and Juve...congratulations and all that, but it must have something to do with plastics. Even when coming from the London branch of the industry.
 

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I'll be amazed if that record of 15 is ever beaten. It's stupid looking back.
I think you're right.

I reckon that Chelsea conceding only 15 goals in 38 games over 2004/5 is a more impressive achievement than Arsenal's unbeaten season.
 

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So City are on 100 goals this season and the record is 103 by Chelsea in 2010. Why does it not seem very impressive this time around?
Timing, maybe. City looked great for a while this season, but not as impressive in the last couple of months, while Liverpool were really hot and looked like deserved winners. Plus, all their games in hand didn't give a real impression of how the table really could have been like and after their defeat at Anfield and draw with Sunderland they looked out of it, even though - as we know - they were one bad Liverpool result from having it all in their hands. Instead, it kind of looks like they've stolen it.

It's a little like with Balon d'Or when no one remembers how the players performed for the first half of the year, they mostly remember the last couple of months.
 

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I think you're right.

I reckon that Chelsea conceding only 15 goals in 38 games over 2004/5 is a more impressive achievement than Arsenal's unbeaten season.
Subjective, but going 49 games unbeaten is alot harder as you'll need a perfect streak of 49, while 15 goals scored you can still allow 1-2 hiccups along the way.

Both are very good teams on their own rights, but as with any record concecutive "X" run, it's always hard as in there's no room for mistakes, no matter how small.

If it werent' for us, who knows how many more games they can remain unbeaten
 

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City look fantastic with Aguero, workmanlike without.
They should probably go for a wide attacker like Hazard this summer, someone with pace and trickery. Toure and Silva are a great core to have in the middle running the game, but out wide Nasri, Milner and co don't have the greatest cutting edge. Navas is bit one dimensional.

When Aguero plays he gets in behind, beats men and generally gives them a lot more pace and penetration, which they could make up for if they got a skillful wide man.
 

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Subjective, but going 49 games unbeaten is alot harder as you'll need a perfect streak of 49, while 15 goals scored you can still allow 1-2 hiccups along the way.

Both are very good teams on their own rights, but as with any record concecutive "X" run, it's always hard as in there's no room for mistakes, no matter how small.

If it werent' for us, who knows how many more games they can remain unbeaten
Slip ups are allowed in unbeaten runs too.

But yeah, you can probably have a rubbish day, losing 2-0 to the bottom side, and still achieve the 15 goal record but the same isn't possible with the unbeaten one (although draws are allowed of course).
 

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Slip ups are allowed in unbeaten runs too.

But yeah, you can probably have a rubbish day, losing 2-0 to the bottom side, and still achieve the 15 goal record but the same isn't possible with the unbeaten one (although draws are allowed of course).
Nah, slip up means losing, and you can only lost once and the streak is off. Sometimes it's the extra pressure that's making it harder, with 15 goals you just need a solid defence, besides 49 games unbeaten run spans to more than 1 season, so i guess it's much harder.

With 2 equally good group, I know which one is more achievable than the other
 

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They've also got Gareth bloody Southgate talking about him having a good game against Middlesbrough and Benitez on about him doing weight training to lift trophies. It's no where near a comparable list.
My favourite one. The Benitez one about doing weight training is absolute gold.
 

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Nah, slip up means losing, and you can only lost once and the streak is off. Sometimes it's the extra pressure that's making it harder, with 15 goals you just need a solid defence, besides 49 games unbeaten run spans to more than 1 season, so i guess it's much harder.

With 2 equally good group, I know which one is more achievable than the other
Without discrediting the unbeaten run, we should remember it was an unbeaten league run, Arsenal lost plenty in Europe and the cups that season. Still 49 league games unbeaten is very impressive and not likely to be topped for some time.
 

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Wait, City are away in their final game????!!

I thought they were at home. West Ham away, oops.:nervous::nervous:
 

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Wait, City are away in their final game????!!

I thought they were at home. West Ham away, oops.:nervous::nervous:
They are home to West Ham who have nothing to play for.