Off the top of my head it corrected wrong calls in the Classico and the Milan-Juventus games recently. Without VAR, goals would have been wrongly allowed and penalties would have been missed. So yes, it’s been proven to be viable so far, and it has changed games for the better.It’s not about being ‘Cavemen’
It’s avout whether a system such as VAR is viable to use in a fast paced game such as football, & contray to what you’ve just said I’ve seen VAR used badly & slowing games down & causing confusion. So please don’t try & say VAR is perfect. It’s not. It has the potential to change the way a games played & how we view it.
It can also be detrimental in other leagues. We can all cite random games to prove your point- the German game where the ref called them back after they’d already walked off at half time to give a penalty- Farcical. Goal chalked off for Mata as offside in FA Cup when it wasn’t. Many players & managers have come out against VAR in these other leagues where it’s been according to you a marvellous success.Off the top of my head it corrected wrong calls in the Classico and the Milan-Juventus games recently. Without VAR, goals would have been wrongly allowed and penalties would have been missed. So yes, it’s been proven to be viable so far, and it has changed games for the better.
It’s not perfect, but having it is far better than just living with the wrong refereeing calls. So yes, not wanting VAR, having seen how important it can be in other leagues, is the definition of being caveman.
It was offside though, as per the actual rules.It can also be detrimental in other leagues. We can all cite random games to prove your point- the German game where the ref called them back after they’d already walked off at half time to give a penalty- Farcical. Goal chalked off for Mata as offside in FA Cup when it wasn’t. Many players & managers have come out against VAR in these other leagues where it’s been according to you a marvellous success.
It may get a few more calls correct which a competent ref should make anyway but it opens up a massive Pandora’s box for the future & causes issues now anyway.
So I think you’re being a caveman for just blindly wanted to go with this without looking through all the issues it could cause.
I’ve noticed that a ridiculous amount of people on here view everything in black and white. It’s either something has to be perfect, or we don’t do it at all. I do wonder how people get on with their lives viewing everything as two extremes like this when literally everything in life exists as increments.I HATE the anti-VAR argument that it isn’t perfect and it won’t correct every mistake.
Will it significantly reduce the number of incorrect decisions? Yes. It will. And that’s a fact. If it reduces the number of mistakes by 0.01% then it’s worth it. Don’t be scared of progress.
No it was different depending on when exactly you freeze the frame to check when the ball is actually played to him. As just the slightest change in frame change if he was offside or not. How is this issue going to be worked out? Will it take a long stoppage to get exactly right?It was offside though, as per the actual rules.
With VAR every single goal is reviewed. So that feeling can never be protected with VAR- it will detract from that.It will certainly right more wrongs (and for that reason it’s difficult to argue against its introduction). It worked quite well at the World Cup, too.
But it’s still absolutely wrong that the biggest spender (the paying supporter at the ground) gets the worst deal. Supporters need to be aware of what is going on much quicker than the current system allows. It risks detracting from the elation of watching your team score a goal. That feeling needs protecting. Whether it be the introduction of televisions in all stadiums, I’m really not sure. But something needs to change.
You want the world to know that some refs are crap even with VARIt will certainly right more wrongs (and for that reason it’s difficult to argue against its introduction). It worked quite well at the World Cup, too.
But it’s still absolutely wrong that the biggest spender (the paying supporter at the ground) gets the worst deal. Supporters need to be aware of what is going on much quicker than the current system allows. It risks detracting from the elation of watching your team score a goal. That feeling needs protecting. Whether it be the introduction of televisions in all stadiums, I’m really not sure. But something needs to change.
You need to define what ‘progress’ is. If it gets 0.01% more calls right at the detriment of the free flowing nature of the game, the not being able to celebrate a goal as every goal will be reviewed, the Pandora’s box it opens up with it obviously going to be used in more & more situations. It all depends if you think it’s worth it, I respect your opinion but I don’t think VAR is worth it.I HATE the anti-VAR argument that it isn’t perfect and it won’t correct every mistake.
Will it significantly reduce the number of incorrect decisions? Yes. It will. And that’s a fact. If it reduces the number of mistakes by 0.01% then it’s worth it. Don’t be scared of progress.
Every goal will not be reviewed, come on. In your earlier post you said these are decisions a competent ref should be making. Therein lies the problem, a lot of referees are not competent, some far below that standard.You need to define what ‘progress’ is. If it gets 0.01% more calls right at the detriment of the free flowing nature of the game, the not being able to celebrate a goal as every goal will be reviewed, the Pandora’s box it opens up with it obviously going to be used in more & more situations. It all depends if you think it’s worth it, I respect your opinion but I don’t think VAR is worth it.
Well I’m pretty sure In VAR (in the World Cup for example) every single goal is reviewed incase there’s a reason to disallow it.Every goal will not be reviewed, come on. In your earlier post you said these are decisions a competent ref should be making. Therein lies the problem, a lot of referees are not competent, some far below that standard.
VAR will help them
Terminology is probably important here: every goal was checked, not reviewed. Reviews were what happened after a potential relevant issue was found with a goal.Well I’m pretty sure In VAR (in the World Cup for example) every single goal is reviewed incase there’s a reason to disallow it.
And yes some refs are awful, we should be aiming at actually demoting them & promoting & training the actual decent ones.
Yeah, this is true all over the football forums. Try criticising a player in PP forum. Even if they’re your favourite and you’ve never said a bad word against them otherwise, someone will assume you have an agenda against them because you can’t possibly criticise once and like them.I’ve noticed that a ridiculous amount of people on here view everything in black and white.
Checked/reviewed- in either case you can’t be that sure a goal will count.Terminology is probably important here: every goal was checked, not reviewed. Reviews were what happened after a potential relevant issue was found with a goal.
Anyway, it's a weird point to make as players clearly didn't stop celebrating because of VAR checking goals. I mean we could literally all see them celebrating with our eyes.
Agree, while I think it’s a great change and overdue I think if anybody can make it absurdly controversial it’s a combination of English refs and media.Just make sure to train the incompetent cnuts that the English refs are so they know how to use it.
Here is my reason. I understand the poor refs and decisions that are happening in the game are chronic. And VAR will correct those decisions.I will never understand people who don't want VAR.
No, not at all. I've watched Madrid's games this season and you celebrate goals just as much as before.If your a fan of a team and that team makes a positive play you hold your breath hoping a replay isn't used to review.
How has the line been in Spain compared to how many extra penalties it gave in the World Cup? Has there been more falling to the ground/less physical play? Favoritism? Curious as I thought VAR was shit and inconsistent at the World Cup.No, not at all. I've watched Madrid's games this season and you celebrate goals just as much as before.
If a goal gets ruled out, so be it, it's just like all those times you celebrated a goal while you weren't paying attention at players possibly being offside. Which doesn't happen all that much anyway.
I haven't noticed that much difference to how it all was before VAR to be honest.How has the line been in Spain compared to how many extra penalties it gave in the World Cup? Has there been more falling to the ground/less physical play? Favoritism? Curious as I thought VAR was shit and inconsistent at the World Cup.
Which decisions does VAR take up in Spain?I haven't noticed that much difference to how it all was before VAR to be honest.
I was about to write the same thing, but now I’m in doubt.I will never understand people who don't want VAR.
I think only the penalty decisions and offside goals, not sure.Which decisions does VAR take up in Spain?
If it's a legit foul, then yes they should be the norm.Oh god no. It'll still create debatable situations as refs still will have to interpret it. My fear is that it'll soften the English physical way of playing and we'll see more fall to the ground when touched.
It better work more fluid than under the World Cup where sometimes an undeliberate handball gave a penalty and sometimes it didn't. Soooo many penalties were awarded in the group stages. That should NOT be the norm.
Also the fact that English refs (they were so bad not one was picked for the WC) will have to be in the VAR booth. Never mind getting 2-3 good judges in the VAR booth, can we actually manage to get one? And then there is 10 games a week. It'll still be interpretation, but god I really hope there will be some overall plan/line on what to VAR and not.
My personal opinion is that there should be room for doing dirty tricks too. Football shouldnt be too polished, however Id like it on offsides, etc where human interpretation is left out.
You've made that up.Also the fact that English refs (they were so bad not one was picked for the WC)
