Kids? Half of the squad that started were 28 and older...
Preseason Tour Game 4: Man Utd v Liverpool (ICC, Saturday 28th July 22:05 BST)
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we're doomed in that case
So you weren't referring to anybody at all when you said "Lose 4-1, can't complain because .. top red." and then proceeded to argue about people supposedly saying that over the next 4 pages? Including when you reference 'them' in this post?
Ah! So you did completely miss my point. Thought as much. Well Done.
Giving minutes to academy players in preseason is not a priority for managers, that's just how it is. The most prominent youngsters will feature more. Chong has played a lot. Im surprised Gomes hasn't played more, but with a manager like Mourinho unfortunately you expect the kids to play less than average even in preseason.
It's fecking pre-season, get over it. No team cares about these results
Easy to say that but it does matter to some extent. Performances have been beyond dreadful and results no better. 3 draws to mediocre sides and hammered by liverpool. Dont remember us ever having a worse pre season. In fact it's similar to the pre season Chelsea had the year Mourinho got sacked.
For someone who doesn't like negativity...Anyway, let's agree to disagree. Or agree, or whatever at this point. Sorry if I offended you. Let's just move on, because this is going nowhere really.
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How does it matter when the core of the teams are in hols? We cannot just throw in any side and ask them to perform, That's not how it works. Today pool started with their star players and they are well ahead of us in preseason.
We literally had the same amount of first team players as they did. They had Van Dijk, we had Bailly. They had Salah and Mane, we had Sanchez and Mata. They had fabinho, we had herrera. The difference came in the 2nd hald when they threw on all their youngsters +Shaqiri and Sturridge. That's not some star studded team. They just hammered us because they are coached better and when they don't have their full starting squad they can still play a positive style.
They are ahead of us for pre-season, but just wait until this continues into the actual season. We aren't going to suddenly click into gear after the worst pre season of recent memory.
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If you actually bothered to read what I said you might just have realised I never said anything of the sort, you seem to have me confused with somebody else.
If you cant even keep track of who your arguing with over what and your best effort is to resort to emojis then your probably right that we should leave it there because this is all just a massive waste of time which, incidentally, was my original point so thank you for helping out with that.
The fact is that we no longer can go toe to toe for the top transfer fee players all the time. Having very 'decent' squad players can make the difference. Going the extra mile for the club means something to me and many fans.
How can anyone expect for us to click into gear when the actual team is not even on tour yet.
Bailly played injured next to TFM and Tuanzebe. Darmian is 3rd choice RB. Mitchell is nowhere near the first team. Pogba, Matic and Fred will be the first choice midfield. You throw Fred in as if he started the game. We are missing all of our forwards apart from Sanchez.
Ofcouse we aren't going to click suddenly as our players aren't available to be coached. Only hope is if we settle down eventually.
In the tour, only 11 players train? We only played one game and all the first team players on tour are starter?
Smalling? Don’t let facts get in the way. I hope to see more “FAIL” posts from you.
Was thinking Herrera and not fred. They're missing starters all over the pitch too. Wasnt a huge difference. Salah pretty much is equal to Sanchez in squad standing, same with Bailly/Van Dijk. Both missed main striker. They had Mane, we had Mata. Same shit. Youth players rounded out teams of a few stars and mostly some squad players. Everybody is missing players. It's the reality of the situation. You can complain about it endlessly and pretend like others arent in the same boat or just deal with the situation and go on with your business. Mourinho is currently making constant excuses, putting it all on the players and deflecting blame (while putting in some god awful performances) while others are getting their players to perform well. You dont need 11 world class players to play decent football.
Why do you look past the fact they also could bring on players like Sturridge, Robertson and Shaqiri? Or the fact that players like Moreno and Klavan are clearly closer to the first team than the likes of Mitchell and Tuanzebe? Or the fact that Fabinho is probably going to be a starter and none of our midfielders are? Players like Milner and Lallana have been part of this Livepool team far longer than the likes of McTominay and Pereira.
Sanchez is our first choice LW playing upfront. Mata is our first choice on the right and playing off Sanchez. After Sanchez it is Greenwood. We lack real options for the way we want to actually set up. It is not the same.
Sturridge who was on loan at a relegated side, or Shaqiri who got relegated with his side... real quality there. Why not mention how we have darmian on the pitch who despite us all disliking him, Juve and Inter are interested in? Its just excuses to cover for someone who is doing a poor job
What a cop out of a response. Yeah because bringing on Shaqiri and Sturridge is the same as bringing on Greenwood and Chong. Im done here, you have made your mind up already and this is pointless.
So because it's pre-season, you would drill tactical defensive coordination into kids (and not in a good way), when in a weeks time most of them would not be included in the first team; why? In order to bore the tits out of onlooking supporters just so you can?
A cop out? It's the truth. What about them playing basically reserves in the first 20 minutes of the 2nd half while we didnt sub anyone but our keeper? Yet they still dominated us. We have a coward manager who knows nothing but negative football and just is not suited to a club like United.
Be "done here" all you want. Better be prepared for another shit season where we at best win a Mickey mouse cup and grind our way to at best, a top 4 spot while other clubs like liverpool who are heading in the right direction surpass us because of his stoneage football tactics.
Still remember 2 years ago when he first came and we all deluded ourselves thinking he wouldnt isolate our top young players, or that he would adhere to a more adventurous style of football and it was all situational before. Yeah, feck that.
Also you're right. I made up my mind after that Sevilla debacle. Been firmly mou out ever since.
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So you have insider info about our pre season tactical training?
The first team players have been tactical trained all seasons. Pre season training is well known to accumulate fitness less of tactical work.
I don't understand this attitude. Thousands of people care enough to pay the $80 ticket. Millions care enough to watch it on TV/internet. If i were the player, I'd care enough to put a lot of effort to win the game.
It's their problem then. The have a choice to sit at home or do something else. You're not going to get a premier league quality game during pre-season.
Manchester United is a brand. SAF painstakingly built United brand as big as it is with years of winning with style. You want big players coming in to play for United, you need cash cow from those sponsors. And those sponsors paying big because of United brand.
This tour with United in it, are watched by millions of people because of United brand. You'd think that the manager of Manchester United would understand the importance of United brand, and people expectancy whenever United play.
Just think the bigger picture here. Whenever United play, people want to see us to win the game, even against the shittiest team in the world and the most useless game of all time. It's just the way it is, if you see United as one of the biggest club in the world.
Top teams never have shite preseason performance where it's clear they can't be arsed? Even under SAF we had some shite performance during pre season. This year the quality of traveling squad is terrible. It's known. You can't do anything out it like how some of these youngster/ couldn't help with our U23 relegation.To place that kind of expectation of United brand is dumb to say the least.
The ICC pay clubs to participate. Chances to get new sponsors is there but not necessarily always available. Thing can happen during season that help with sponsorship so it's not like it's the only opportunity. Clubs make sure they list traveling squads, not to give wrong expectation to fans. Attendande don't affect agreed amount ICC agreed to pay clubs. Clubs try their best to field their most crowd appealing players. Main aim is fitness for most if not all clubs. Quality of performance &a game can be very low given most teams are in the very early of their pre season preparation.
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What can a manager do if core of his players are missing? It's not possible to ask the same out of our academy grads. Lots of teams like us are in the same boat , loosing badly since they dont have their players.
I'm just questioning on why the club (and some fans) don't take pre-season games seriously. Even with a bunch of "kids" (read somewhere that about half the team are 28 y.o. or older), United need to take it seriously. There should be identity and pride as a big club, to maintain the image you show to the world (and maybe future fans, too).
Even with "kids", the game has to be entertaining. The tour is supposedly not just for "building up fitness". Might as well stay at home, and play against local teams for 3 x 90 min. three games a week. Guaranteed that would build the player fitness.
So what's with Mourinho's excuses? Pre-season matches don't matter, correct?
Why not try and experiment with what you have instead of decrying the fact your big guns are still on vacation.
Why not try to control the game with the midfield when you know the attack and defense are nonexistent?
Trying to do the same thing as if you have your full squad is tactical naiveté and speaks volumes of José stubbornness
(or nonchalance but then again, why should he care about a meaningless preseason match).
Exaggerated scoreline aside (really should be 1-2) at least beat the Scousers at something (pass accuracy, passes, possession).
The game has to be taken seriously, just not the result. If the players fail to show commitment or doesn't seem to be arsed, then its a problem. As far as i could see , our players aren't taking it lightly and that should be the takeaway.
Yep, bit of an overreaction. I am not saying things are peachy, but no need to fret over the results of a training session.
Do you even read? Control of the game from midfield is tactical change and it's not overnight work. Matic Pogba two key players were out. Fred just joined few days and couldn't even play 90 minutes. You have Herrera and McTominay from the first team at the end of last season and Pereira. Football is a team game. Take control of midfield is not few players job. Where is the passing options?So what's with Mourinho's excuses? Pre-season matches don't matter, correct?
Why not try and experiment with what you have instead of decrying the fact your big guns are still on vacation.
Why not try to control the game with the midfield when you know the attack and defense are nonexistent?
Trying to do the same thing as if you have your full squad is tactical naiveté and speaks volumes of José stubbornness
(or nonchalance but then again, why should he care about a meaningless preseason match).
Exaggerated scoreline aside (really should be 1-2) at least beat the Scousers at something (pass accuracy, passes, possession).
Why you're desperate for beating at something in a pre season?
Oh that's okay then.
that was disgusting to watch
Bet he won't say that if we don't play well against Leicester, seeing Jose is saying his players won't be back for it. Do we take that with a pinch of salt?
Spot on. The hysteria around this result already is getting on my nerves. Pre season means absolutely zilch.....UNLESS united lose! Bloody practice match with half a squad and everyone loses their minds. Joke.
Yes it is for fitness, but if it is, this lot are unfit. It is also for setting tactics and we don't look any better. Yes we have players to come back, eventually. The manager said they need their rest, but is now trying to say it is up to the players if they come back. So if they do it is great, if they really need the rest, they are putting themselves before the team. The result was expected, but the criticism of the kids was terrible.
the problem is not the scoreline, I coudnt care less about it. But we are supposed to see some kind of fearless football specially it is a friendly game and the result is not important, it was the perfect moment for our manager to try attacking tactics but instead he wasted it by sitting there doing nothing. Last JM saying that he wouldnt pay money to watch these games is insulting to the players who did play today.
Thanks god its not the result that people are upset by then.
And the pre season in 2014 they got hammered 3-0 by Weirder Bremen, they then went on to win the title. These games mean absolutely nothing at the best of times and even less when you have 75% of your squad missing.