No! In an amazing reversal of expectations, Brotherton (or is it Wilson?) gives us a decent Błaszczykowski effort, followed by a disappointing reference to Lech 'Valesa'.
Like the PL managers, all we ask for is consistency
Pronouncing foreign players' names
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No! In an amazing reversal of expectations, Brotherton (or is it Wilson?) gives us a decent Błaszczykowski effort, followed by a disappointing reference to Lech 'Valesa'.
Like the PL managers, all we ask for is consistency
Listening to Brian Kerr pronouncing Polish names last night was a bit of a struggle. He kept calling the keeper Titan, as in clash of the. That can't be right, can it?
how on earth is Błaszczykowski pronounced? And do I have to say it in my mock Polish accent?
The ł is pronounced as our 'w' isn't it?
Tytoń? I would say it's "tih-tohn", but with "ih" like e in roses and "n" like ny in canyon.
Yes.
Błaszczykowski? "bwa-shtchiy-kov-skhi"
Pardon me, but that's really hard. Bwa-sht-chi-kov-skhi. Waaa..
Yeah...I've got that. But I'm having to use my mock Polish accent.
There's nothing like the exaggerated accents commentators put on to disguise the fact that they're not 100 per cent on how to pronounce a name.
I remember when Pleat used to called Christian Vieri "Vieira" and Patrick Vieira "Vieri"
Wonder...I've fecking got it. I sounded Polish and all. That said, I'm in need of a breather.
Are you throwing in some lisps for the Spanish Spoony?
Too right, man. Us Islanders know our onions...and aren't totally uncultured. Anyway...can't wait for the WC those Cameroonian names roll off the tongue.
There's a lad who plays here in Ireland named Iarfhlaith Davoren. I want him to make it across the water purely so the ITV crowd can have a crack at that name.
Then again...Steve McManamanannnanaananananaan, which to be fair is Irish.
Yes. A similar thing's happened to their 'dark l' as happens to the Cockney ones at the end of a syllable, as in Bow Bewws, Chewsea, Su'agoaws.
It also happened in some of the Romance languages as they developed from Latin, e.g. 'caldus' > French 'chaud'.
I think there are still some Polish dialects where ł is pronounced as a dark l.
What's the feeling on Özil?
I'd favour the vowel in 'nurse', rather than the one in 'goat'.
I'd favour the vowel in 'nurse', rather than the one in 'goat'.
Definitely more like 'uh'. You can't say it like goat because then you hit a problem when pronouncing Götze. Goatse is always to be avoided.
Unless it's a really, really pretty goat
gagging for it
gagging for it
Yeah but pretty goats are few and far between. They're mostly quite beardy.
lucky for us you can get away with calling him kuba.
True. Urzil it is then.
Yeah but the thread's about how best to anglicise them, so as not to sound like a cock one way or another. 'Ö' is a hard sound for English speakers (except South Africans) to make.
I'm not fussy about stress though, I think urZIL would be reasonable enough.
I'm not fussy about stress though, I think urZIL would be reasonable enough.
Also how is meireles pronounced?
Most commentators say Meralesh or Mirelsh?
Most commentators say Meralesh or Mirelsh?
Definitely the 'u.r', hence the alternate spelling 'Goetze' to seemingly help with pronunciation.
James Rodriguez by the way, is pronounced Ha Mace.
The commentators seem to be a big fan of the Özil Gummage pronunciation, for what reason I don't know. The best approximation in English is uh-ZIL
Commentator on my stream is making a good fist of Büttner, so to speak.
I think 'Byootner' would be acceptable but he's gone one better than that.
I think 'Byootner' would be acceptable but he's gone one better than that.
Well I have never seen an umlaut/diaeresis in Dutch previously, but in German pronunciation the best approximation is Buettner, almost going as far as Bittner. I'm assuming the Dutch usage will be similar.
I assumed it was a German name as I don't think Dutch has the umlaut. But either way yeah, it's surely pronounced with a phonetic /y/, more or less /i/ with rounded lips. Not sure whether it's long or short though.
Scottish/N.I. people can just pronounce it 'Buttner' as their /u/ is close enough to /y/.
My father has never got the hang of pronouncing foreign player's names, Van Nistlerooy was Nisteron, Sven became Seven, Veron was Vernon, Kanchelskis was the Russian lad. He couldn't even pronounce Graham Hogg, he kept calling him 'that useless tit'.
I'm now on a Romanian stream and he's pronouncing it with a German ü too.
Santi Cazorla should sound like 'Cath-orla' rather than 'Ca-zorla'. I've heard someone (I think it may have been Jamie Redknapp) pronounce it as 'Car-zola'.... not even close
At least Hoddle didn't make an attempt to pronounce Lloris' name. He just called him "the french guy"
Why doesn't someone just ask the player?
Jack Charlton called Kanchelskis 'that O Connor lad' on RTE once.
According to Niall Quinn, Dembele is pronounced Dem-Bell
I've watched Swansea play on Sky the last two weekends now and what the feck is wrong with the commentators who can't say A-G-U-S-T-I-E-N correctly.
Everytime they said his name, they are saying AUGUSTINE. You're paid to do your research, fecking do it. Or, failing that, just read the back of his fecking shirt!!! Imbeciles
Everytime they said his name, they are saying AUGUSTINE. You're paid to do your research, fecking do it. Or, failing that, just read the back of his fecking shirt!!! Imbeciles