The furious back pedalling at Microsoft continues!
Gaming PS4 vs Xbox One - The suckiest thread in the history of suckyness
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I find all this backtracking hilarious. Arrogant tools.
Wish I could pre order a PS4 but I just wont have the cash of it at launch, will probably get one in the near year or just before christmas if I can get my hands on it anywhere.
I pre-ordered mine the day after the reveal. Probably foolish with an inevitable price drop at some point, not to mention the obligatory day one problems that arise both with the console and early games but..........I don't care.
at Micro$hit. Backtracking 180 degree and abandoning all the 'great' things XBone had.Well at least the starting to make the right moves. Still far less attractive as a console than the PS4 for me.Last gen I was able to have both consoles. This time round I can't justify that so it has to be to pick one and PS4 easily wins in my book.
The whole 180 thing is kinda funny though. With the always online thing you had Major Nelson saying its not just like flipping a switch, but what do ya know they just flipped a switch. Now it was the XBOne can't function with the Kinect sensor, that it was designed to work with Kinect but now it seems it can work fine without it. I reckon this leads to a cheaper XBOne without Kinect in future.
Starting to make the right moves now though. Always amusing to see a big corporation squirm a bit.
The whole 180 thing is kinda funny though. With the always online thing you had Major Nelson saying its not just like flipping a switch, but what do ya know they just flipped a switch. Now it was the XBOne can't function with the Kinect sensor, that it was designed to work with Kinect but now it seems it can work fine without it. I reckon this leads to a cheaper XBOne without Kinect in future.
Starting to make the right moves now though. Always amusing to see a big corporation squirm a bit.
They're numerous about turns just show how disconnected they are with their target consumer. Embarrassing.
Also, will be interesting to see what effect this has on developers developing games for the Kinect. The whole argument people gave of "developers will develop for it because everyone will have one" made sense, but since it is not an essential item...and am sure the Xbox will soon be available without the Kinect included, could lead developers to reduce their time and effort developing for it.
I can't think of a more badly-handled launch/PR campaign than what MS have managed to deliver. Has been muddled, arrogant, confused and embarrasing.
Also, will be interesting to see what effect this has on developers developing games for the Kinect. The whole argument people gave of "developers will develop for it because everyone will have one" made sense, but since it is not an essential item...and am sure the Xbox will soon be available without the Kinect included, could lead developers to reduce their time and effort developing for it.
I can't think of a more badly-handled launch/PR campaign than what MS have managed to deliver. Has been muddled, arrogant, confused and embarrasing.
Swappable HDD is the next incoming.
They won't sell consoles without Kinect. The technology will be integral whether the Xbone functions without it or not and it's what will give Microsoft the edge over the far less innovative Sony machine.
You do realise that at one point the PS4 was going to have a 3D camera bundled in with it? Lord, even the controller has a light bar for it. The idea simply got dumped.
These "innovations" by MS have really given them the edge so far. Which must be why they are binning them left, right and centre.
Yeah they dumped the innovative features and are left with PS3 with better graphics.
Kinect will change the way we interact with games and Sony's equivalent just isn't anywhere near as good.
What's funny?
Change the way you interact with games Cider, go for your life!
http://kotaku.com/5982725/a-penis+powered-controller-that-looks-familiar
http://kotaku.com/5982725/a-penis+powered-controller-that-looks-familiar
I'm sure you
I'd be absolutely reluctant buying anything from them at this point. No vision, no leadership. Microsoft right now:
I'd be absolutely reluctant buying anything from them at this point. No vision, no leadership. Microsoft right now:
PS cut their shitty rip off Kinect from their original console package to offer it cheaper abd undercut MS.
Are you Sony fans saying 'oh dear Sony got it wrong they made an accessory which now no one is gonna buy, they did a 180 - idiots'
it tells me Sony wanted to future proof, that they knew that the Kinect was desirable to some and had a future..
They havent cut their innovations.. Everybody still has to buy a Kinect to ensure there is a good market for developers and it still has all the features.
The media stuff, the windows app ecosystem, the seemless multi tasking, kinect features.. Im not sure how anybody can deny that they have been far more innovative that Sony with the next gen console.
I understand you might not care for the features, but its more next gen than PS4 except in power. Theyve put $1 billion into games for the consoles, they spent $100 million just on developing a new controller and theyve listened to customers (and sales) and given the people what they want.
The PS4 is basically a 180 from the PS3, which was ridiculously priced, hard to develop for, had free live but for it less services and features.
Is it hilarious that Sony have learnt from the POOR SALES from PS3s launch? No of course not.. why is it so funny here?
Cause MS have acted quickly and not waited a whole generation? Nice logic.
Are you Sony fans saying 'oh dear Sony got it wrong they made an accessory which now no one is gonna buy, they did a 180 - idiots'
it tells me Sony wanted to future proof, that they knew that the Kinect was desirable to some and had a future..
They havent cut their innovations.. Everybody still has to buy a Kinect to ensure there is a good market for developers and it still has all the features.
The media stuff, the windows app ecosystem, the seemless multi tasking, kinect features.. Im not sure how anybody can deny that they have been far more innovative that Sony with the next gen console.
I understand you might not care for the features, but its more next gen than PS4 except in power. Theyve put $1 billion into games for the consoles, they spent $100 million just on developing a new controller and theyve listened to customers (and sales) and given the people what they want.
The PS4 is basically a 180 from the PS3, which was ridiculously priced, hard to develop for, had free live but for it less services and features.
Is it hilarious that Sony have learnt from the POOR SALES from PS3s launch? No of course not.. why is it so funny here?
Cause MS have acted quickly and not waited a whole generation? Nice logic.
probably better to think through decisions before you announce them
I think you'll find that the majority of people who have been criticizing MS are those that owned a 360 and are disappointed/annoyed/frustrated with their approach to the new console.
There is a big difference between learning from previous consoles that you have developed, and launching a new console with lots of new features that you then ultimately drop/ditch because they were so badly thought out in the first place.
If MS believed in their vision and what they were doing, then they should have stuck to it. The fact that even as they were announcing their new console, they couldn't agree between them on whether you always had to be online, or online once every 24 hours, or whether there was a defined time period.
Shambolic.
Microsoft should NOT dump Kinect. If they do dump it, then it will just be a weaker version of the PS4. A lot of hard core gamers hate Kinect but for better or worse it makes the Xbox different. It's better for the industry if the consoles are different.
Hardcore gamers will soon love the Kinect.
Imagine games such as Fallout or Elder Scrolls with full Kinect functionality. With Kinect one could more of less do away with menu/inventory screens altogether; consider the amount of time a player has to spend sorting through weapons, armour, potions and shit in those games ordinarily. Fully immersive/interactive gameworlds will be a big step closer once you remove the necessity of clicking through endless lists of items with the d-pad whilst paused after every five minutes play.
That´s it couldn´t have put it better myself..
Most of the consumers who actually buy these consoles aren´t 10-15 years of age, don´t care about Kinect or the Sony glow stick.. We don´t play little cute pony games, we like "bigger" faster better! And surprisingly we like a bit of privicy while doing it. We like to brag and show of online just how good we are. Playing Fifa with our mates while drinking buckets of beer or having a great time shooting each other in a kill em all spree! That´s what these consoles are made for, not some Google-ish spying shit tracking our every move sending infos to anyone who wants to buy them. It´s enough having the NSA doing that all the time we don´t need MS on the ball aswell.
MS has been totally unconvincing with the approach to the new Xbox and I frankly can´t see a way back for them this time. I went into this having owned both PS3 and a Xbox 360 open minded but I was only going to buy one of them it´s Sony all the way for me, they seem to have learned from the launch of the PS3!
Although they could have included their "shitty rip off" with the package and still undercut MS.
From reading your posts in this thread, it comes across as though any concession you give to Sony is only done to try and limit how one-sided you are.
Gems such as:
So "positive' reviews of the new Sony controller are only positive because they relate to its predecessor...while the "incredibly positive" reviews of the MS controller relate to how it has improved, sorry "built upon" its predecessor and compares to it.
I bought a PS3 when they launched and was going to see what both consoles had to offer before deciding which to purchase this gen. I was underwhelmed in a sense by both launches, but feel that MS have no idea what they are doing.
I think there is a debate as to whether they were too dumb to understand what their consumers wanted, or too arrogant to think they could do what they pleased, with regard to DRM, online connectivity, integral, always-on Kinect and so on. Their series of u-turns since their launch just shows how much they got wrong.
Also, Sony explicitly detailed the components and capabilities of their new system, while MS would only tell people how many transistors it had. And the rumours of downclocking etc...
Link this to the fact that many of their game demos at the conference were running on PCs (PC's with vastly more powerful graphics cards than will be found in the Xbox) and overall I just do not believe anything MS has to say.
I'm sure you
I'd be absolutely reluctant buying anything from them at this point. No vision, no leadership. Microsoft right now:
Exactly right!
I definitely think the Kinect has potential in these areas. Directing squad members and stuff like that will also be cool without the need for a button, just aim and say 'move' or 'rush' or 'attack A'.
I also think a RTS (Real Time Strategy) game could work well on Kinect. Being able to drag the map, zoom in and out, direct squad players using commands or your hands (drawing pathways). Below is a video of a game which supports a Kinect mod on Windows - it looks cool, and this game wasn't designed with Kinect in mind,
Agree that creating differentiation is vital, but I think what people resented was the fact that they had no choice in whether to buy it or not.
Shit I didn´t know I had an identical twin in the Netherlands..
Again just what I wanted to say..
I agree that it will be interesting to see where this goes.
But I think even more reason that MS should have stuck to their guns about it being integral and necessary. The fact that they have had to change their stance on this shows that people did not have confidence with MS' guarantees about not 'recording' or monitoring what happens in front of the kinect - conversations etc - and how their privacy will be in no way invaded.
In saying that, I don't believe any company when it comes to that - not just MS!
I guess we are meant to ignore the part where Sony's "shitty kinect ripoff" came out in 2003 on the Playstation 2 and has been around since then.
Was going to say thanks for the compliment...but then you could be butt-ugly...so maybe not!
I think they will probably sell consoles without Kinect - but I guess I can't be as positively certain as you are.
If the technology can be turned off and no longer has to be used, then you can't really say it is integral. Mainly because it is no longer integral. I think this is due to the fact it is optional. The new Xbox does not need Kinect in order to be able to function. Doesn't sound integral to me, anyway.
You would be surprised! Mother nature can be cruel..
My point was that, a lot of the hands-on reviews for the PS4 would say 'the dualshock 4s triggers are much improved on the dualshock 3s' - 'the triggers are more comfortable now, less likely to have your hands slip off than on the PS3' - 'the controller is wider than the dualshock 3 and more comfortable for it'. Whereas the Xbox One's controller was mostly called out for being great in each department without the need for comparisons apart from the DPAD. I'll admit that this could say more about the PS3 controller's flaws than anything, and because the flaws were widely recognised there was more need to have them addressed and recognised in these articles.
I haven't placed a pre-order for either console. Truthfully, I want both - I think they offer different things, I think they will both have fantastic exclusive games, and they both greatly appeal to me. Most of my posts in this place have been defending MS or the Xbox rather than attacking the PlayStation. I've definitely seemed to lean towards the Xbox One in this thread as a whole but that's more because I felt that there had been some unjustified (and justified) criticism of the company and console - and that there has been a lot of unjustified (and justified too) praise for the PlayStation and Sony.
I can understand you saying they should have stuck to their guns about some of the policies, but this really isn't one of them. Everybody still has to buy one, so there is still going to be the same market there for the developers - the only thing that changes is that people have the comfort of 'I can turn it off if I want to' and 'I don't need to worry if it breaks, I won't have to go and buy a new one to play a non-kinect game'. I expect that the massive majority of Xbox One owners will have the Kinect on and use it's features for the majority of the time. Once it's bought, it's in their living room and they are potential Kinect service users and that's what is important.
What have I just read here?
I am still reading it just don´t get.. Apparently Kinect is the bomb and Xbox is good at multi tasking..
Xbox features are more innovative than the PS4s - disliking the features doesn't mean they are not more innovative or open up new opportunities in the console gaming sphere.
Sony has learnt from the lack of sales their PS3 had at launch in the same way Microsoft has learnt from the lack of pre-orders for the Xbox-One. Does Microsoft acting quickly really make it hilarious, it's like people here think Sony have never made mistakes or backtracked on their original intentions?
True, you handsome devil..
Ok, I'll play....
Firstly, let us put down a baseline shall we?
How is XBone innovative?