PSG | 2017-18 Performance Thread | Tuchel becomes coach on a two-year deal

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Big difference between Basel and Real Madrid.
Exactly.

I know it's a ridiculous thought but perhaps, just perhaps, PSG lost because RM are a quality side who may well win it all again and not because they're shite and only play against "farmers"?
 

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Touché ..
I was "touché" last season againt Barcelona or even Chelsea after winning the 1st leg. Certainly not here.

I knew it would have been a miracle to qualify given

- the 1st leg
- the injury of Neymar
- Cristiano Ronaldo
- an opposing team more experienced and performing at the European stage

we had 25% of chances after the 1st leg. Not an absolute shame to be kicked out by Madrid
 

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What is about PSG that they attract all these players who seem to lack mental toughness, want the easy life but go missing when it matters.

Even Neymar is a precious little bitch, special treatment fc.
You said it yourself. The best players (bar Mbappé) have left more challenging leagues to play in a one-team league for a massive amount of money. Hardly screams "determined to compete in the tough leagues" IMO.
 

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So it's RM only for you ? The previous years They have been knocked by Chelsea, City, Barca and now RM, failing to get anything past QF. If they're not at the level of all these teams then what are their level exactly ? Unlucky to get RM so they go on and lose home and away ?

Until they go on and start challenging for CL and defeating big teams in KO stages then yes so far their only success after all this money spent in all these years was in their crap league.
RM, Chelsea, City and Barca are all quality sides and there's no shame in losing to them.
 

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So their level is the French league? Or maybe they just aren't quite at the level of RM who are the fecking reigning champions and have won something like 3 of the last 4? I thought they were quite harshly done by to be down 3-1 after the first leg then in the second they didn't stand a chance with Neymar being injured.
So what can we judge them by? They're an elite side until proven otherwise?
They haven't performed to a level that the likes of Roma haven't done. Their ability to be knocked out of the last 16 every year is at Arsenal levels of reliability.
 

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So it's RM only for you ? The previous years They have been knocked by Chelsea, City, Barca and now RM, failing to get anything past QF. If they're not at the level of all these teams then what are their level exactly ? Unlucky to get RM so they go on and lose home and away ?

Until they go on and start challenging for CL and defeating big teams in KO stages then yes so far their only success after all this money spent in all these years was in their crap league.
Is that needed?
 

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Their inexperience in facing top teams is clearly showing. That's the problem with being top dogs in a one-team league, it just doesn't prepare you for back-to-back games against the top sides.
 

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Who could they possibly get as manager?

Ancelotti (again?), Conte, Pochettino, Wenger....no one's screaming out.
 

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I was "touché" last season againt Barcelona or even Chelsea after winning the 1st leg. Certainly not here.

I knew it would have been a miracle to qualify given

- the 1st leg
- the injury of Neymar
- Cristiano Ronaldo
- an opposing team more experienced and performing at the European stage

we had 25% of chances after the 1st leg. Not an absolute shame to be kicked out by Madrid
Don't you think it's quite generous?
 

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Only time Psg showed any bottle was when they got past Chelsea with 10 men. Surprised as they were, then they collapsed against an ordinary City side. Beating Madrid was difficult but they basically played like an inferior team throughout today which is all too typical each year.
 

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What is about PSG that they attract all these players who seem to lack mental toughness, want the easy life but go missing when it matters.

Even Neymar is a precious little bitch, special treatment fc.
That's not a surprise though. Nobody goes to play in France for footballing reasons. We mock City but playing in England is a massive pull for footballing reasons as well as financial. Anyone going to the French league and to PSG isn't going for any other reason than money. May as well be playing in China with the exception of getting in the CL.
 

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Who could they possibly get as manager?

Ancelotti (again?), Conte, Pochettino, Wenger....no one's screaming out.
Poch is a former Player so maybe that's a pull?
Whoever they get is just a place holder for Pep anyway.
 

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I was "touché" last season againt Barcelona or even Chelsea after winning the 1st leg. Certainly not here.

I knew it would have been a miracle to qualify given

- the 1st leg
- the injury of Neymar
- Cristiano Ronaldo
- an opposing team more experienced and performing at the European stage

we had 25% of chances after the 1st leg. Not an absolute shame to be kicked out by Madrid
It is all to familiar this ... What will it be next season .?
 

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PSG is a team made of doormats, it has nothing to do with the league or Real Madrid or Barcelona or anything else. They have no backbone.
 

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Poch is a former Player so maybe that's a pull?
Whoever they get is just a place holder for Pep anyway.
Not entirely convinced Pep will oversee their project. What joy is there coaching another club with unrestricted finances?

Qatar may just pull out on PSG altogether. Unlike City and Abu Dhabi that might have grave consequences.
 

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Don't get me wrong this has nothing to do with France, but we all know the level of French league so let's be honest. It's a terrible league competition wise.
No, I can't really say it but you know what I think about you when that's how you end your post. It doesn't make you look good at all.
 

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France is an amazing place to live, to be fair. If I have to choose between Paris or Manchester, well...
 

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Regardless of the money spent I do have a bit of sympathy for PSG. You always need luck to win the CL and drawing Madrid so early after winning the group is a punishment whilst Bayern Munich get Besiktas. Luck in the draws is also key and right now it's about getting past that first obstacle. Madrid broke records to sign Ronaldo, Benzema and Kaka in 2009 but in the first season they were knocked out in the last 16 stage by Lyon. Look at them now. Money won't guarantee immediate success and it takes time to build that experience on the CL stage which is invaluable. They'll get there eventually.
 
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For the level of investment, not getting past the quarter finals is exceptionally bad.
It isn't really.

If they'd been put out to Roma, Shakhtar, Porto, Basel or Sevilla perhaps. They lost to Real Madrid. Some people need a bit of perspective.
 

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It isn't really.

If they'd been put out to Roma, Shakhtar, Porto, Basel or Sevilla perhaps. They lost to Real Madrid. Some people need a bit of perspective.
They haven't got past the quarter finals since Qatar took over. It is a poor return on investment no matter who they have played.
 

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PSG is a team made of doormats, it has nothing to do with the league or Real Madrid or Barcelona or anything else. They have no backbone.
It is to do with the league.

Only 'doormats' would go to them.
 

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It isn't really.

If they'd been put out to Roma, Shakhtar, Porto, Basel or Sevilla perhaps. They lost to Real Madrid. Some people need a bit of perspective.
It doesn't matter who they go out to, the goal for PSG was to win the CL. Yes, losing to Madrid looks better than losing Basel but in the end it's still a major failure.
 

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That's not a surprise though. Nobody goes to play in France for footballing reasons. We mock City but playing in England is a massive pull for footballing reasons as well as financial. Anyone going to the French league and to PSG isn't going for any other reason than money. May as well be playing in China with the exception of getting in the CL.
You said it yourself. The best players (bar Mbappé) have left more challenging leagues to play in a one-team league for a massive amount of money. Hardly screams "determined to compete in the tough leagues" IMO.
You have to look at the footballing decision makers above the managers. What is the plan to compete, what type of team do they think can win the CL. Just throwing talent at it is not enough, there has to be some level of discipline in how you play if you are a serious team. Look at Real tonight, big names on the bench, made accommodations for the challenge they expected, not too proud. PSG against Real and no discernible tactical ploy, too many ego's.
 

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It isn't really.

If they'd been put out to Roma, Shakhtar, Porto, Basel or Sevilla perhaps. They lost to Real Madrid. Some people need a bit of perspective.
Basically this. They spent a lot money on Kylian and Neymar. And definitely those investments were wise choices. But you can't expect to beat the best squad in Europe with two amazing players only.
 

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Basically this. They spent a lot money on Kylian and Neymar. And definitely those investments were wise choices. But you can't expect to beat the best squad in Europe with two amazing players only.
What are you on about, they have been been buying and failing with top talent for years now.