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yeah the story goes John John faked his own death and will reappear on the grassy knol on the anniversary of his fathers death to reveal he's Q and will be running for office with Trump

when he didn't show some of them decided he was gonna reappear at the Rolling Stones concert later that night instead :lol:
Start me up :lol:
 

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yeah the story goes John John faked his own death and will reappear on the grassy knol on the anniversary of his fathers death to reveal he's Q and will be running for office with Trump

when he didn't show some of them decided he was gonna reappear at the Rolling Stones concert later that night instead :lol:
Why do they claim the Kennedy's as their own?

This is what the conservative movement in America thought of him when he was alive



 

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So the liberal commie propaganda was alive and kicking back in the 60s, did not know that. Fox News would have had lots of fun praying off the red scare and whatnot. Imagine the likes of FNC, OAN, et al during the civil rights movement, women's liberation, and so forth.
 

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So the liberal commie propaganda was alive and kicking back in the 60s, did not know that. Fox News would have had lots of fun praying off the red scare and whatnot. Imagine the likes of FNC, OAN, et al during the civil rights movement, women's liberation, and so forth.
Oh it was alive even before the 60s. If I recall correctly there was a fear in the early 20th century of black people becoming socialists.
 

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Why do they claim the Kennedy's as their own?

This is what the conservative movement in America thought of him when he was alive



Well, it seems that US politics had been always radicalized and Trump/Fox didn't do anything knew. It always seemed that before it was an oasis of reasonable politics
 

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Why do they claim the Kennedy's as their own?

This is what the conservative movement in America thought of him when he was alive



I didn't realize the insanity went so far back - although I don't know how widespread the sentiments of that pamphlet were at the time.

On a sidenote, the film Easy Rider and its reviews made me realize this week that excessive display of the US flag was actually a leftist thing until that turned around at the end of the 60s. Funny.
 

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I didn't realize the insanity went so far back - although I don't know how widespread the sentiments of that pamphlet were at the time.

On a sidenote, the film Easy Rider and its reviews made me realize this week that excessive display of the US flag was actually a leftist thing until that turned around at the end of the 60s. Funny.
Well, he did get assassinated. And there has always been a strain of the American hard right that probably has always had at least 20% of the support of the population. Henry Ford and others like Lindbergh supported Hitler and held pro-fascist rallies under the veil of "American Patriotism. I'd say this strain has always been here just in modern times they were much less vocal compared to when Trump basically legitimized them.
 

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Well, he did get assassinated. And there has always been a strain of the American hard right that probably has always had at least 20% of the support of the population. Henry Ford and others like Lindbergh supported Hitler and held pro-fascist rallies under the veil of "American Patriotism. I'd say this strain has always been here just in modern times they were much less vocal compared to when Trump basically legitimized them.
Social media probably doesn't help either. Without the internet, t's hard to get coordinated if you're a loony underground everywhere.
 

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Social media probably doesn't help either. Without the internet, t's hard to get coordinated if you're a loony underground everywhere.
Absolutely. Before social media, it would be limited to mailing lists and local meetups.
 

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Social media probably doesn't help either. Without the internet, t's hard to get coordinated if you're a loony underground everywhere.
Watch the Paxman interview with David Bowie back in 99 and listen to what he has to say about it:

 

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Absolutely. Before social media, it would be limited to mailing lists and local meetups.
Kind of, though the problem with the loony underground is that it isn't always underground. You had the Red Scare, for example, which was very much mainstream hysteria. It wasn't as unhinged as Qanon, but it was a lot more impactful (yet... knock on wood).
 

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This whole thing has to be a crazy psyop involving paid actors of some sort. I refuse to believe people can be this stupid.
 

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Literally more trafficked children/year than the human population :lol:

 

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'Murica :lol:

I can't fathom how a 4chan larp managed to influence so many people. A 4chan larp that is absurd even by 4chan standards!
The Nazis managed to convince tens of millions of Germans that the Jews were responsible for both capitalism and communism, and were also both subhuman scum who lived in squalor and no match for the Aryan race, and simultaneously also the true secret leaders of the world and the an immediate threat to the survival of Germany. People can believe the strangest things, and I'm afraid Qanon is just going to grow.
 

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The Nazis managed to convince tens of millions of Germans that the Jews were responsible for both capitalism and communism, and were also both subhuman scum who lived in squalor and no match for the Aryan race, and simultaneously also the true secret leaders of the world and the an immediate threat to the survival of Germany. People can believe the strangest things, and I'm afraid Qanon is just going to grow.
I see your point, but I'm less worried about it it's potential to grow. I think most Qanon believers are generally older, and essentially less savvy on internet culture, so don't recognise the significance of the fact that this originated on 4chan, because they don't comprehend the trolling/larping/edgelord culture of 4chan. I think with an emphasis on explaining this calmly and patiently, most people will recognise they've been duped. And they won't have much influence on younger people, except some who are particularly vulnerable/susceptible.

I remember seeing a Twitter account do this a year or so ago. They set up an account claiming to be "JFK Jr", announcing a countdown to their return. They got 10s of thousands and followers, and on the date of their announced return, they posted a lengthy, detailed, calm, and sympathetic explanation of how the larp originated, about 4chan culture etc. The vast majority of responses were all accepting of this news and recognised they had been duped, despite having previously been eagerly anticipating JFK Jr from the dead to overthrow the US government.

I guess some people will refuse to accept they've been duped, but I just can't see the movement ever growing from here to anything like it's prominence during the last US election.
 

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I see your point, but I'm less worried about it it's potential to grow. I think most Qanon believers are generally older, and essentially less savvy on internet culture, so don't recognise the significance of the fact that this originated on 4chan, because they don't comprehend the trolling/larping/edgelord culture of 4chan. I think with an emphasis on explaining this calmly and patiently, most people will recognise they've been duped. And they won't have much influence on younger people, except some who are particularly vulnerable/susceptible.
This is an insanely optimistic and charitable view, IMO.

I guess some people will refuse to accept they've been duped, but I just can't see the movement ever growing from here to anything like it's prominence during the last US election.
Didn't the current discussion basically start because of a tweet explaining how many Qanon candidates there are? There are going to be a lot more Qanon believers in Congress after the next election, sadly.
 

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I see your point, but I'm less worried about it it's potential to grow. I think most Qanon believers are generally older, and essentially less savvy on internet culture, so don't recognise the significance of the fact that this originated on 4chan, because they don't comprehend the trolling/larping/edgelord culture of 4chan. I think with an emphasis on explaining this calmly and patiently, most people will recognise they've been duped. And they won't have much influence on younger people, except some who are particularly vulnerable/susceptible.

I remember seeing a Twitter account do this a year or so ago. They set up an account claiming to be "JFK Jr", announcing a countdown to their return. They got 10s of thousands and followers, and on the date of their announced return, they posted a lengthy, detailed, calm, and sympathetic explanation of how the larp originated, about 4chan culture etc. The vast majority of responses were all accepting of this news and recognised they had been duped, despite having previously been eagerly anticipating JFK Jr from the dead to overthrow the US government.

I guess some people will refuse to accept they've been duped, but I just can't see the movement ever growing from here to anything like it's prominence during the last US election.
The demographics of Qanon supporters has been researched.
https://morningsidepost.com/article...porters-5-revealing-findings-from-survey-data
 

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This is an insanely optimistic and charitable view, IMO.

Didn't the current discussion basically start because of a tweet explaining how many Qanon candidates there are? There are going to be a lot more Qanon believers in Congress after the next election, sadly.
I am optimistic. Well, more accurately I am potentially optimistic, in that I think it's a movement/ideology that in theory should be easy to combat. I am slightly more negative about this being actually achieved, because I think certain tactics are actually counter productive. Tactics like aggression, mockery and censorship can often have the opposite desired effect, in that it creates an opportunity for the movement to portray themselves as radical truetellers that the mainstream is trying to suppress, which is appealing to the sort of people who can get caught up in these kind of conspiracy theories. I certainly think censorship can play a role, and I think social media sites and reddit cutting down on Qanon content has significantly reduced its impact/reach in terms of total overall number of people viewing such content, but I think for a small % of people it further radicalises them.

My impression is that candidates with Qanon "ties" isn't as worrying as it might appear, as opposed to Qanon "believers". If they come from a small redneck town, then they will inevitably have "ties" to Qanon by association to people they are around. My general impression of those ive seen, which admittedly was probably about a year ago, was that they were low level candidates making a fairly obvious attempt to appeal to a section of the voter base. Basically mimicking the Trump playbook. In fact I'd probably go so far as to say the the Trump team either had some involvement in the Qanon movement, or at least purposefully encouraged it, as a kind of guerrilla election campaign strategy. But Trumps gone, attempts to rehash it will have minimal influence IMO. There's only so many times you can announce that the government is going to be overthrown next month, be proven wrong, and then change the date to a couple months further down the line, before people will realise that it's a hoax.

That article is quite confusing, as it states that Qanon supporters have a higher level of education, but the data it quotes clearly shows they have a lower level of education in comparison to the general population? More broadly, I think it's safe to say Qanon supporters aren't as bright/informed as the average non Qanon supporter, especially if taking into account more elements of education/intelligence than just level of academic qualification. It doesn't need a quantitative study to recognise that Qanon believers are lacking in social/emotional intelligence.
 

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But Trumps gone, attempts to rehash it will have minimal influence IMO.
Trump's possibly more in charge of the GOP than he was as president. The GOP is the Party of Trump, from top to bottom. Anyone who isn't sufficiently enthusiastic is getting consistently primaried, or have already retired or announced that they are going to retire. Liz Cheney, the neocon daughter of Dick "Mr Neocon" Cheney, went from being one of the leaders of the party to being an outright pariah.

Not to mention the fact that there's a serious possibility that he'll be back as President in 2025. And if he isn't, it won't be because the "traditional conservatives" have managed to take the party back. Any nominee in 2024 will definitely be in the political mould of Trump.
 

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Trump's possibly more in charge of the GOP than he was as president. The GOP is the Party of Trump, from top to bottom. Anyone who isn't sufficiently enthusiastic is getting consistently primaried, or have already retired or announced that they are going to retire. Liz Cheney, the neocon daughter of Dick "Mr Neocon" Cheney, went from being one of the leaders of the party to being an outright pariah.

Not to mention the fact that there's a serious possibility that he'll be back as President in 2025. And if he isn't, it won't be because the "traditional conservatives" have managed to take the party back. Any nominee in 2024 will definitely be in the political mould of Trump.
Interesting, I'll be honest I had no idea about this. I'm not overly up to date on the intricacies of American politics so had just assumed he had been slowly drifting into obscurity, as I barely see him mentioned anymore. I will happily yield to your superior knowledge on this subject.

Makes me wonder which way it would work for the GOP in this case. On one hand, I don't see an imitator without Trump's unique...err, appeal, being successful or rallying the loonies like Trump did. Yet, a more polished and PR friendly/less offensive candidate may be able to carry some of that wave of support without pushing away more centrist voters (or rallying centrists/non voters to vote against the Republicans, which I think Trump ended up inadvertently doing). For that reason I would be more worried if Don Jr was to run rather than Trump himself, as he would appeal to Trump's base and doesn't have quite the same level of absurdity as Trump in terms of image/personality, which ultimately and unfortunately is more decisive than actual policies in determining who wins elections IMO.
 

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:lol: feck me these people are morons.
It isn't funny when a sizeable portion of the electorate is comprised of morons, specially in a democracy.

I don't see this ending without needless blood being spilled.

The Nazis managed to convince tens of millions of Germans that the Jews were responsible for both capitalism and communism, and were also both subhuman scum who lived in squalor and no match for the Aryan race, and simultaneously also the true secret leaders of the world and the an immediate threat to the survival of Germany. People can believe the strangest things, and I'm afraid Qanon is just going to grow.
and contradictory things.
 

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That article is quite confusing, as it states that Qanon supporters have a higher level of education, but the data it quotes clearly shows they have a lower level of education in comparison to the general population?
It says they have a higher level of education than the stereotype of them.