. . .Who's we again ? Who do you speak for ? I never meant to have a discussion with you,you just slithered yourself into itDo piss off
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. . .You really seem to think I'm interested in discussing
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Oh we’ve just conceded.
I'm ignoring you from now on.
I've only been on this forum a minute, but this is genuinely one of the most disturbing post's I've seen. .
It definitely isn’t. It’s not even particularly controversial unless you live a heavily sheltered life.
Many intelligent points. Again, I don't know enough about Serie A's treatment of its black stars and I'm not saying it's racist to draw a link between Kvara and Maradona rather than VO and Maradona. I like both players a lot. But what you've said here for the most part surely can't be debated by any fair minded person.
I worry about the future when I read posts like those. If that's the most disturbing thing you've read, then you're guaranteed a life of mental anguish and stress.
I actually think this opinion will eventually be viewed as racist. Seeing skin colour will be the same as seeing hair colour in the future - it will have zero weight, it'll just be a visual distinction.
Apologies. I didn't realise you were the authority on what I do/ don't find disturbing, and the reasons for doing so. As a poster pointed out earlier, this is part of a very nuanced and larger picture. Not saying the situation is racism per se, but the dismissive attitude towards conversation can be very counter productive.
Serie A has a history of brushing racist abuse under the carpet and even victim blaming (see Bonucci re; Moise Kean). I seldom see that league and individuals within it react responsibly to a case of racial abuse. Allegri's comments re; Vlahovic are not the worst I've seen. It's not what I would have said If I was Vlahovic's coach. It's a bit cold and lacking in empathy but he does speak against it and condemn it, which I appreciate is the lowest of low bars but he does say it needs to be shut down.
Was it Allegri who said Kean shouldn’t have responded to racist taunts?
Yeah he said something along those lines, which is a terrible way to respond to a young player on his team suffering racial abuse.
Well if you want to look at the bigger picture @kouroux is definitely not a poster who attempts to dismiss attitudes towards certain conversations and he wasn’t doing it in this thread. He expressed an opinion about not finding this particular incident to be one of which had racist undertones. He was then gaslighted by a few posters for it. One of the responses he received was to be questioned that did he despise ‘Black people that post about a widely admitted racist organisation /leagues biases?’. I thought that was a bit naughty tbh…
Literally….
I hope so. There’s one race - human.
Maradona was also the top goalscorer when Napoli won their two titles. Which Kvaratskhelia is not. So really, Maradona was a combination of both players, Kvara's skill (except more so) and VO's charisma and passion (except more so)
Hes not a combination of both players since he wasn't a striker, there isn't that much similarity between Osimhen and Maradona except the goal record (I'm talking in style of play by the way), Kvara's playstyle is why he is compared to Maradona.
I'm aware of that, but he was the top scorer. Who is the top scorer for Napoli this season?
This makes sense to me. Kvara was nicknamed Kvaradona long before Napoli won Serie A. So then the person who had been nicknamed for Maradona all along was pictured in their memes, as well. If I had to guess he got nicknamed for Maradona because of his love for dribbling and taking-on several defenders fearlessly. Osimhen is a wonderful striker, who I hope we sign, but has different play style.
We don't need to descend into some form of reductive argument here, we all know who the top scorer was but it's also very clear what I am saying.
I don't think they do either. And if you ask me, who is the better footballer between the two, I would say easily Kvaratskhelia.
There is a new mural in the Forcella neighbourhood of Naples that has been placed next to the one of Maradona. It depicts both Kvaratskhelia and Osimhen. This is what I mean about Maradona being both of them, he was the sole talisman back then. This team has two, maybe not 'talismans' but 'stars'. One is the top scorer, the other the top assister. Maradona was both.
No one is disagreeing with the fact Napoli has two stars and they had one previously.
But it's all empty talk. Empty gestures. Feck me, the ref freaking run after Vlahovic immediately after the goal to stop him from going under the atalanta ultras and booked him and the ref's coordinator praised him for it
The point I made is also quite clear but OK.
Post was from the league's account, not Napoli's
What type of Pizza did you order? Anyways, yeah, the mozzarella they used was fresh, hence the water. As for the rude comment, yeah, that tracks, Neapolitans can be kind of snobbish and obnoxious about pizza, since they invented it. I can tell you that likely had more to do with you not being neapolitan than the color of your skin(though sure, it might have been both)
Naples is a pretty unique, idiosyncratic city...it's basically a south american metropolis from a tv drama transplanted in europe, and its people take both pride and issue with it at the same time...
.....white people are bad with faces?
Very sadBut it's all empty talk. Empty gestures. Feck me, the ref freaking run after Vlahovic immediately after the goal to stop him from going under the atalanta ultras and booked him and the ref's coordinator praised him for it
Allegri saying players need to ignore racial abuse???? What the feck man...
Won't even get into Gasperini's comments because they're too disgusting and self-explanatory...
Hell, Lukaku only got the red card rescinded because the president of the FA decided to act like a monarch and overruled the refs commission/league/etc...
The juventus stand wasn't closed because apparently the club managed to identify all the individuals responsible(good for them! It does absolutely nothing to kick racism out of the stadiums though) and Lazio ultras - of course - have been guilty of racial abuse in pretty much every game and nothing is fecking done about it...
As you said, the cultute of victim blaming and insistent refusal to actually fight racism for real are so ingrained in our culture - which sadly extends well outside sports - that right now the only real chance we have is for Gravina(president of FA) to take matters into his own hands like with Lukaku. Except he can't do that in most situations because he'd lose the presidency....
What utter nonsense
Yeah I hear you, it's a bit tone deaf but I guess the standards are so low for Italian football that even mild condemnation from one of the leading voices in that league feels like a step in the right direction.But it's all empty talk. Empty gestures. Feck me, the ref freaking run after Vlahovic immediately after the goal to stop him from going under the atalanta ultras and booked him and the ref's coordinator praised him for it
Allegri saying players need to ignore racial abuse???? What the feck man...
Won't even get into Gasperini's comments because they're too disgusting and self-explanatory...
Hell, Lukaku only got the red card rescinded because the president of the FA decided to act like a monarch and overruled the refs commission/league/etc...
The juventus stand wasn't closed because apparently the club managed to identify all the individuals responsible(good for them! It does absolutely nothing to kick racism out of the stadiums though) and Lazio ultras - of course - have been guilty of racial abuse in pretty much every game and nothing is fecking done about it...
As you said, the cultute of victim blaming and insistent refusal to actually fight racism for real are so ingrained in our culture - which sadly extends well outside sports - that right now the only real chance we have is for Gravina(president of FA) to take matters into his own hands like with Lukaku. Except he can't do that in most situations because he'd lose the presidency....
Well we've had 5000 years of recorded history and racism is still alive and well so this seems laughably optimistic to me
you have not been on the Matchday forum yet then
I'm not sure I follow because it sounds like you're repeating the gist of what I've said. The visual distinction between races is not going away so in that sense, people will always see race. That's what I said.
It was a margarita… the thing is I’d had about three already and none of them were soaking in waterPost was from the league's account, not Napoli's
What type of Pizza did you order? Anyways, yeah, the mozzarella they used was fresh, hence the water. As for the rude comment, yeah, that tracks, Neapolitans can be kind of snobbish and obnoxious about pizza, since they invented it. I can tell you that likely had more to do with you not being neapolitan than the color of your skin(though sure, it might have been both)
Naples is a pretty unique, idiosyncratic city...it's basically a south american metropolis from a tv drama transplanted in europe, and its people take both pride and issue with it at the same time...
.....white people are bad with faces?
(Sorry about that mate)
Btw I think i do get the point another poster made about the tone deafness of the post(@AFC NimbleThumb ?) It's not about "crowning" Kvara, it's the exclusion of Osimhen(and Kim, while we're at it) who is just as deserving of such a post
. Basically it was really busy and so obviously the chef was rushing and so probably threw on a bit too much water from the mozzarella but rather than just accept it and give me a different pizza, this waiter decided to take a jibe.That's never gonna happen because there would the same level of education/understanding all over the globe. The difference in cultures in such a vast world makes it impossible to eradicate racism and discrimination in general.
Very wise last sentence
