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Makes sense... maybe if you just flood the place with racism, people will get so bored of being racist they'll stop altogether... it's Science.So Italian FA way of fighting racism is adding more fuel to the fire by making even more racist stuff.
Brilliant.
Bad idea. To be honest, I'd pay for people to go and sit on the front row at Anfield in Liverpool shirts and do monkey chants every week if it could points docked.I could not take my eyes of that picture. It is 2019, did that really happen? Has that really been approved? I can understand (although 100% wrong) there is local racism from a huge lack of education but this is big and national led. It is embedded in the culture of the country. I have been to Italy a few times and suffered racism myself on each occasion (Turin, Milan, Rome and Naples). It really is distgusting and FIFA need to take serious action against leagues, teams, players, fans. Fines of a few thousand Euros does nothing. Personally I think Italy should be removed from the Euros and all European competitions. I know not everyone is racist there but the punishment should be severe for people to actually know it is wrong. That fan at City will be banned for life, but it not enough. Although the club is not racist and it is hard to control, they should take the punishment too. Dock points, issue huge fines in relativity of earnings like 15% of annual income (offender and club), enforce community service. All parties need to feel the implications of the severity of racism. It is 2019, this should not be happening and people need to grow up. The stop racism campaigns do nothing to stop it. Severe punishment for all parties, name & shame the offender plus education to all that need it should be the absolute minimum. If a fan of United did that and we got docked 10 points because of it, you create a culture that it is wrong. I would be pissed that we have lost 10 points but happy to see something of more substance is being done to embed governance. Clubs need to take more ownership of this education to there fans. It is like dealing with a child who has been naughty at school.
No, they are so racist they call Chimpanzees Monkeys which is incredibly insulting to the chimps.Is it a translation issue that the artist refers to what are clearly chimpanzees as "monkeys"? Has to be, right?
This distinction does not exist in many languages. In German for example everything from chimp to gorilla is called Affe ("ape"). Not sure about Italian, though.Is it a translation issue that the artist refers to what are clearly chimpanzees as "monkeys"? Has to be, right?
It’s received widespread coverage in the press and been condemned by the Serie A clubs.Has anyone seen the new anti racism advert approved by the Italian FA currently trending on twitter ?
It's a picture of three monkeys for some reason ???
We have the distinction „Menschenaffe“, which I believe is basically like ape. It means as much as human-monkey.This distinction does not exist in many languages. In German for example everything from chimp to gorilla is called Affe ("ape"). Not sure about Italian, though.
I’m not finding it very funny.This is one of the best comedy sketches I've ever seen.
Yeah it's not funny in the slightest. You might want to grow up a bit there, mate.This is one of the best comedy sketches I've ever seen.
ThisSo Italian FA way of fighting racism is adding more fuel to the fire by making even more racist stuff.
Brilliant.
Yeah, this is such typical BS all across Europe: "we are not racist, we just... [substitute that week's excuse]". I am sure the same people also say at dinner table "we are not racist, we just want our country back", to explain why they yelled at some innocent person who didn't look or sound like them, at a grocery store. Same crap everywhere.Something along the lines of "We're not racists just because we yell racist things. We only do it because we want others to get sad so they don't perform or feel comfortable playing against our team". It's how I read their view.
Nah, it's not "Italians". You will hear the same bullshit narrative everywhere where racism has decided to veil itself. Basically, where people are racist but don't like to admit it, anymore - you will hear this kind of nonsense, and it could be Hungary, Bulgaria, Russia, Poland, Norway, or Birmingham - whatever. I know Birmingham isn't a country, but the point is - it's the same everywhere. It is racism, simple and pure, just thinly veiled.I think it just highlights how differently the Italians, for example, are wired in terms of racism in general.
I’m not finding it very funny.
Don't be pedantic. It's inappropriately funny - like someone dropping a coffin at a funeral. You laugh because the situation is bizarre/surreal.Yeah it's not funny in the slightest. You might want to grow up a bit there, mate.
Chimps and Gorillas are actual apes, although I do get your point.This distinction does not exist in many languages. In German for example everything from chimp to gorilla is called Affe ("ape"). Not sure about Italian, though.
Really? Wow.Everyone seems to be agreeing about how racist, stupid and incredibly unintelligent this is without actually saying why. I'm the curious kind. Why is this so bad? and specifically - why is this racist to you?
Why the "Really? Wow"? I'm just guessing here, not stating; But I think your reply is written in the belief that my initial post gives you the impression that I don't find the images racist. Which, if true, is pretty irrational as it would imply you are concluding something about my opinion which has not been said. But I can only think that it why you've replied in such a way - so please do tell me why. Cause it's not a reply to my question.Really? Wow.
Think about the imagery chosen.Why the "Really? Wow"? I'm just guessing here, not stating; But I think your reply is written in the belief that my initial post gives you the impression that I don't find the images racist. Which, if true, is pretty irrational as it would imply you are concluding something about my opinion which has not been said. But I can only think that it why you've replied in such a way - so please do tell me why. Cause it's not a reply to my question.
Because it just looks like a picture of three monkeys (chimps really) and that's it. 'Monkey' is one of the most common racial slurs against black people there is so it seems utterly bizarre to have an anti-racism campaign featuring a picture of three monkeys and no other discernible context.Why the "Really? Wow"? I'm just guessing here, not stating; But I think your reply is written in the belief that my initial post gives you the impression that I don't find the images racist. Which, if true, is pretty irrational as it would imply you are concluding something about my opinion which has not been said. But I can only think that it why you've replied in such a way - so please do tell me why. Cause it's not a reply to my question.
Historically africans have been likened to apes. So using the image of these primates in an anti racist campaign is at the very least clumsy.Everyone seems to be agreeing about how racist, stupid and incredibly unintelligent this is without actually saying why. I'm the curious kind. Why is this so bad? and specifically - why is this racist to you?
Thank you Lynty. It's balls up after balls up after balls up. It's rather tiresome to always be outraged and offended.Don't be pedantic. It's inappropriately funny - like someone dropping a coffin at a funeral. You laugh because the situation is bizarre/surreal.
It needs addressing, enough is enough, but the whole affair was played out like a perfect piece of satire. Italian FA and journalists have only reaffirmed and exposed their own cultural bias. Which is hilarious. Cast Ricky Gervais as chief of the PR team and it would be a Netflix hit.
Monkey chants and throwing bananas are tactics used by racist individuals to antagonize black footballers. Using the image of a Chimp/monkey for an anti-racist campaign reinforces their views (subliminally implying that they are in fact monkeys/chimps) and displays that the italian FA have no real grasp of the situation.Everyone seems to be agreeing about how racist, stupid and incredibly unintelligent this is without actually saying why. I'm the curious kind. Why is this so bad? and specifically - why is this racist to you?
Sounds like my nan.Berlusconi said that Obama is a nice tanned man