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Klopp, Tuchel, Pep, Bielsa?He's still one of the top five managers in this league.
Silly hyperbole like "Top 5 manager in the PL" aside. Benitez did a great job at Newcastle while barely spending anything. Everton have most played rank sides, but they look very organized as you'd expect from his teams and at times play good stuff.They’ve played one team that finished above them last season. One place, with the same number of points. They drew that game. Not sure I’d be singing the praises too loudly just yet. I didn’t see the second half but they were abysmal in the first.
Bruce has done a similar job at Newcastle and been blasted for it.Silly hyperbole like "Top 5 manager in the PL" aside. Benitez did a great job at Newcastle while barely spending anything. Everton have most played rank sides, but they look very organized as you'd expect from his teams and at times play good stuff.
His biggest test will be how he reacts when fans turn against him after an inevitable run of bad form.
I'd say that's a test he already passed with flying colours when he was at Chelsea.His biggest test will be how he reacts when fans turn against him after an inevitable run of bad form.
I agree and Bruce doesn't deserve it. But, the difference between the two has been spending. Newcastle are quite skint but their net spend under Bruce is £100m+. Benitez is in negative iirc, so he's had lesser resources to work with.Bruce has done a similar job at Newcastle and been blasted for it.
His biggest test was winning La Liga twice with Valencia, fourty years after their previous win. The CL win with that club down M6 is less impressive, as they always luck out in that competiton.Silly hyperbole like "Top 5 manager in the PL" aside. Benitez did a great job at Newcastle while barely spending anything. Everton have most played rank sides, but they look very organized as you'd expect from his teams and at times play good stuff.
His biggest test will be how he reacts when fans turn against him after an inevitable run of bad form.
Less impressive? They came from 3-0 at HT to win it.His biggest test was winning La Liga twice with Valencia, fourty years after their previous win. The CL win with that club down M6 is less impressive, as they always luck out in that competiton.
£40m of that was Joelinton. He was signed about two days after Bruce took over so I wouldn’t credit that spend to Bruce. The net spend under Benitez is heavily influenced by them selling Premier League players when they went down. Bruce didn’t have a Wijnaldum or Sissoko to sell.I agree and Bruce doesn't deserve it. But, the difference between the two has been spending. Newcastle are quite skint but their net spend under Bruce is £100m+. Benitez is in negative iirc, so he's had lesser resources to work with.
So was Ancelotti this time last year. In fact, Everton were flying then too, probably more impressive than they've been so far this season. You think people would learn to not judge too much either way after 4 games of a season.He's still one of the top five managers in this league.
Yes, AC Milan played them off the park, ran into a pile of hubris, slipped, and didn’t wake up before the penalty kicks. In those situations, it might be better to have Jerzy Dudek than David de Gea, even.Less impressive? They came from 3-0 at HT to win it.
Nah. The greatest comeback of all time in a European Cup. Nothing can really be more impressive than that. By any coach or any team. He wasn’t panicking and kept his demeanor to pick up the fifth big ears.Yes, AC Milan played them off the park, ran into a pile of hubris, slipped, and didn’t wake up before the penalty kicks. In those situations, it might be better to have Jerzy Dudek than David de Gea, even.
Whipping Real Galacticos twice over 38 games impresses more.
Form what I can tell, Chelsea fans were much more hostile towards him from the minute he walked through door than he has been so far at Everton. He was booed on his first game and the booing and anti-Rafa songs never really stopped until the day he left.I'd say that's a test he already passed with flying colours when he was at Chelsea.
Hasn’t let ego ruin him in the same way.Feel like he's never lost the ability to organise a team in the way Mourinho generally has
Or just hasn't really been at big clubs for a while with pressure on him like Mourinho has. Roma is top of Serie A btw. Mou would probably put 3 fingers in the air, as it's only 3 games, but still a good start.Hasn’t let ego ruin him in the same way.
Yep. I reckon they’ll tail off into a similar position to what they finished this year in. I’d be extremely surprised if Andros Townsend and Demarai Gray keep anywhere near close to the form they’re in now for a big chunk of the season.So was Ancelotti this time last year. In fact, Everton were flying then too, probably more impressive than they've been so far this season. You think people would learn to not judge too much either way after 4 games of a season.
Like buying Andros Townsend and Demarai Gray for under 2 million total?Always felt that Rafa was a good manager as long as you don't let him anywhere near the transfer making decisions.
Compare that with the millions he wasted at Liverpool.Like buying Andros Townsend and Demarai Gray for under 2 million total?
You’re not really gonna have any other opinion, are you?Nah. The greatest comeback of all time in a European Cup. Nothing can really be more impressive than that. By any coach or any team. He wasn’t panicking and kept his demeanor to pick up the fifth big ears.
Burnley are falling short because they really haven’t built. Depending on Woods(as well as Mee/ Tarkowski etc) for goals is going to cost them.It's interesting with Rafa.
I mean I always liked Townsend from his Newcastle days, but he always rather disappointed. I am wondering if this will be a one-off or if he has more surprises in his locker.
Also it's very untypical of Burnley to fall apart like that.
Didn't he tell the club Joelinton wasn't worth £40m and that they were wasting there money?£40m of that was Joelinton. He was signed about two days after Bruce took over so I wouldn’t credit that spend to Bruce. The net spend under Benitez is heavily influenced by them selling Premier League players when they went down. Bruce didn’t have a Wijnaldum or Sissoko to sell.
Burnley have got to that Stoke stage where they haven't improved and they're not a surprise to anyone, partly due to their players being over worked/aging out. At best they probably finish 17th this season.It's interesting with Rafa.
I mean I always liked Townsend from his Newcastle days, but he always rather disappointed. I am wondering if this will be a one-off or if he has more surprises in his locker.
Also it's very untypical of Burnley to fall apart like that.
They’ve had a good innings, tbf. Their only pricey transfer window was the year they came back up in 16/17. Every window since they were either in plus net spend or only have a net spend of about £10-20m.Also it's very untypical of Burnley to fall apart like that.
Proud of that dive, aren't you?Nah. The greatest comeback of all time in a European Cup. Nothing can really be more impressive than that. By any coach or any team. He wasn’t panicking and kept his demeanor to pick up the fifth big ears.
He got clipped in the ankle I swear he did. The point is with that squad they were up against and that result put Rafa in the list of top mgrs. He won a few things with a squad that really was a cup only squad but did deliver with what he had.Proud of that dive, aren't you?
Well, can't argue about Rafa. Honestly has a soft spot with him. He shouldn't be managing this level of team after all he has done.He got clipped in the ankle I swear he did. The point is with that squad they were up against and that result put Rafa in the list of top mgrs. He won a few things with a squad that really was a cup only squad but did deliver with what he had.
Burnley are falling short because they really haven’t built. Depending on Woods(as well as Mee/ Tarkowski etc) for goals is going to cost them.
Burnley have got to that Stoke stage where they haven't improved and they're not a surprise to anyone, partly due to their players being over worked/aging out. At best they probably finish 17th this season.
Thanks for the input. According to you guys they might be in serious trouble.They’ve had a good innings, tbf. Their only pricey transfer window was the year they came back up in 16/17. Every window since they were either in plus net spend or only have a net spend of about £10-20m.
Quite piddling compared to their contemporaries over the last 5 seasons!
And as @Dave Smith said above — the likes of Mee, Tarkowski, Wood etc. have had to carry the side on their back for a long while without proper investment to supplement the squad.
They still won’t sack him as he’s done wellThanks for the input. According to you guys they might be in serious trouble.
Seems like Dyche is in for an interesting season.