The notion that Rangnick, after 5 months, can’t be held accountable whatsoever for the miserable and hopeless state of these players, is the most laughable thing I’ve seen on here. And there’s been some clangers.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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No one said it's all Ralf's fault.
But seriously, the fans could vote for the first 11 and the players train themselves and it will still be better than this.
No one expects us not to get beat tonight.
But even a League 2 side would have managed to have had a shot in 45 minutes of football.
I agree, the whole stint has been underwhelming, unless of course he manages to somehow get 4th then it was a success technically.
Despite his inability to get anything out of them the blame firmly lies with the players and their 7 constant failings regardless of who the manager is.
We're also getting worse, which is usually a bad sign.
Our xg and xa in open play against Watford in our 3-2 win against them was the same as when they won 4-1, funnily enough.
People are rewriting history this season if they think Ralf is a big downgrade on Ole.
This season was over a long time ago.
Some of the crushing defeats we suffered and we kept Ole in the job leading to more crushing defeats killed the morale of the squad.
Then players either left on loan or got arrested and the squad weakened.
Ralf isn't a good manager, but the team has collectively given up.
This season was over a long time ago.
Some of the crushing defeats we suffered and we kept Ole in the job leading to more crushing defeats killed the morale of the squad.
Then players either left on loan or got arrested and the squad weakened.
Ralf isn't a good manager, but the team has collectively given up.
Ragnick dreams of being as good at coaching players as Ole Gunner Solskjaer.
Newcastle
Wolves
Villa
Middlesbrough
Burnley
Southampton
Watford
Everton
Leicester
Believe it or not you don't need Messi, Modric and Kante to beat that lot.
Tbf, this is a fanbase that believes managers can't be held accountable until they've had at least 5 years.
Whilst he hasn't done the best I don't undertstand how you can say gave the game up before it startesd. Aside from putting Sancho or the academy kids on what is he supposed to do when a lot of players are injured, Pogba himself comes off injured and Ronaldo isn't here for obvious reasons. We have a squad bereft of any numbers and quality players. Blame the recruitment team of the past 10 years or whatever it is that we are in 2022 and we are still having to field Jesse Lingard and Phil fecking Jones
I agree. I hope Rangnick outlasts every player in today's lineup barring Elanga and Dalot who deserve a chance.
Really hoping Ralf is the chemotherapy to Conte's band aid
Because throwing a bunch of kids out to get battered every week whilst being "guided" by sulking loser senior players would potentially be harmful to their development. This isn't their mess and Ten Hag isn't going to learn anything from seeing a bunch of teenagers thrown to the wolves because the guys earning hundreds of thousands of pounds a week can't be bothered to even break into a jog. Playing the kids won't be the answer next season, so it's better to have laid bare what a bunch of absolute wasters these players are and how desperately they need to be replaced.
This is correct. There's a reason other clubs never let the situation as bad as we did under Ole.
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Honestly, the excuses made for this guy are ridiculous. Thankfully, we don't have to hear it for much longer.
Was it ? Ole's treatment of players like Rashford, making him undroppable and immune to the bench ended up inflating his ego and ruining him.
He had his favorites who always played no matter what while other players will be left rotting on the bench watching his favorites stink the place and still getting kept. That's not a good management.
The problem is Ralf has been a shit interim. I see the idea behind his appointment. It wasn't bad. Unfortunately, he turned out to be a fraud.
Bang average manager, but he was only here for the short term.
However, Klopp and Pep wouldnt get this current team playing and pressing. They would exchange most of the squad over time. It is just how it is.
Ten Hag next season will have some job to do to get us to top 4.
However, Klopp and Pep wouldnt get this current team playing and pressing. They would exchange most of the squad over time. It is just how it is.
Ten Hag next season will have some job to do to get us to top 4.
Ole is not good enough to manage Manchester United. Based on all the evidence we have he is better than Ragnick. Ole probably would have gotten a run out of this squad where we looked decent as he tended to.
If Ragnick played an important role in getting ETH and he ends up being good then it was worth it. If we could have gotten him anyway then we may as well have kept Ole for the rest of the year.
Counting down the games. Just the 5.5 to go.
I'm sure even he is surprised how defunct the player group is. The mental side to pick them up is beyond him, he just isn't that type of guy, there's a lot more going on than some lack of coaching which many said was the problem. I was concerned he would not get on well them before joining.
All we can do is hope this upfront experience to assess will help us in the long run. It's like finally lifting the lid on the stink that cost a hot steaming billion. The board and owners need a thorough raking over the coals.
What Ralf has said is what I've been saying for years on how the likes of City Chelsea etc go about their setup.
All we can do is hope this upfront experience to assess will help us in the long run. It's like finally lifting the lid on the stink that cost a hot steaming billion. The board and owners need a thorough raking over the coals.
What Ralf has said is what I've been saying for years on how the likes of City Chelsea etc go about their setup.
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Let’s follow that line of logic…. At what point is the manager responsible for results? Let’s say we literally bring in Mr Bean to manage the team and the results slide further… to relegation… can we at least partially blame the manager at that point?
if we had Sir Alex Ferguson at his absolute fecking apex, could he get top 4 with this squad and win a trophy? I believe he could.
The players aren’t good enough, but Ralf isn’t either, and that’s a fact.
They weren't great, but at least from time to time they were able to pull something good that surprised us.
I'm certain they're way better than the current failed MLS coaches.
Better than suffering 3 years I guess.
Most managers at least start well. We’ve not even had that. Just a continuation of the shit football and hopelessness that got his predecessor sacked.
I fail to see how anyone can watch what we've been serving up and think "yup, there is absolutely nothing the manager can do about this, 5 months into the job".
He's just a bit of a rubbish coach, it seems. May have been good ten years ago - that doesn't really help us though.
He's just a bit of a rubbish coach, it seems. May have been good ten years ago - that doesn't really help us though.
I swear reading these threads you would think Ole only managed us in four games ever. Leicester, Liverpool, City, Watford. Didn’t Ole get 0-0 at Anfield last year, beat them at OT in the cup with the same set of players.
It’s a fecking massive failure from Rangnick and the club to revert to these tactics and produce these results. Utterly pointless 6 months.
Even Carrick in his second game in management set us up solidly against the European Champions and got a draw.
It’s a fecking massive failure from Rangnick and the club to revert to these tactics and produce these results. Utterly pointless 6 months.
Even Carrick in his second game in management set us up solidly against the European Champions and got a draw.
The most useless manager we have ever had .. no passion .. no tactics ... write some reports .. on what needs to be done.. that's his job
He could have done that from the outside
He could have done that from the outside
Not this season.
We looked decent for 3-4 games to start the season and that was it.
It was abject performance after abject performance.
The fact he was allowed to survive the Liverpool thrashing at Old Trafford is a giant stain on this club's recent history.
This is what you get with cowardly owners who look to employ yes-men.
Glazers deserve this.
To think that Utd REJECTED Conte…
Glazers deserve this.
To think that Utd REJECTED Conte…
Those 30 minutes against Palace will go down in United history.
It’s clear how he wants his teams to play and this isn’t it. Players aren’t up for it and he knows it. Along with complete loss of confidence, toxic dressing room, players leaving soon and not wanting to be here and just absolutely nothing to play for.. it really was a poison chalice.
It’s clear how he wants his teams to play and this isn’t it. Players aren’t up for it and he knows it. Along with complete loss of confidence, toxic dressing room, players leaving soon and not wanting to be here and just absolutely nothing to play for.. it really was a poison chalice.
Ironically he might actually be a fraud
The job he's done at exposing the poor quality of our players overall has been fantastic, and then having the guts to say it as it is, this should benefit us more than us bringing in a more competent interim manager to scrape us top 4 and then beggar off.
Rangnick will be the best thing that has happened to us since Fergie left in the long run imo,.
Rangnick will be the best thing that has happened to us since Fergie left in the long run imo,.
What's ironical about it?
The players are inept and not capable to follow his instructions and implement it on the pitch.
Simple as.
Conte would've been a shit show as well. Thank feck we avoided him and ended up with Tan Hag
Rashford aside from this season was always quite reliable for Ole. Like I said, it was just a terrible season and once Ole lost the only good part of himself at United it was a losing battle. RR, I don’t know what to think. If he’s trying a Mourinho tactic of this is the shit i have to use to the United board he’s doing great but otherwise I think he’s been exceptionally poor.
I disagree with the first sentence, his entire time here was streaky. I honestly think we would have put a couple of runs together and probably would have snuck 4th because let's face it we are still only 3 points off (Spurs and Arsenal are crap).
I agree with your last sentence but only if it would have been for some improvement. Like I said if RR is truly valuable in bringing in ETH and what we are going to do then writing this season off totally to get him into the club in some capacity does make sense. I am just wondering if it was necessary.
Oh you know the way we like to jokingly say it about Pep if he so much as gets a sub wrong etc
Anyway, I was being tongue in cheek. I don't think he is one
Or maybe Palace were just shit for 30 minutes....
Agree. As he eloquently put in his most recent interview: United have recruited poorly for years, we've suffered from not identifying prospects for the way we want to play. The club hasn't even known how they want to play.
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