Genuinely perplexed seeing some of the posts. I question if the majority of the posters currently posting in this thread are even sober.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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We can see the changes, but these are not Ralf’s changes. Why is a section of the Caf giving him credit for changing the club? Bizarre take…
Woodward's left, his mate has took over and a couple of scouts (who probably did nothing anyway) have moved on. Hardly anything to signify a big shift in approach going forward.
I was more getting at the big overhaul in the squad this summer. Not going to happen. The funds required to do it seriously won't be there for one (thanks partly to Ralf's failure in results).
Both the manager and players should do better,
I can see we currently have a director of football as interim manager whilst our current director of football was promoted from within an lacks an elite CV, a technical director who appears to be acting as an odd job man. Once ralf begins his consultancy role he will be offering advice to two people who don't have anything like his experience or competence in the role.
It's all still a shambles and there isnt any convincing evidence this will change.
They are the clubs changes. No one has any idea who specifically is doing what.
By the way Fletcher is helping out as Ralf couldn’t get a full coaching staff. Yes it’s all been cobbled together.
Managing in Bundesliga is already far more than anything Ole had done in his career prior to managing Man United.
This highlights how little you understand unfortunately.
You should try doing the research before making such statements really.
Personally I would pick Bissaka over Dalot every day of the week, even as poor as he has been this season. Genuinely feel Dalot is our weakest full back and thats includign Williams
Heard it all before. "Next time will be different".
Telles?
We've won 2 games in 63 days. It's the manager's job to get a tune out of his players.The fact some of you believe the manager is still the problem. Jose, Ole and now Ralf. Really is still the fecking manager!?
His only options as fullback are Dalot, Telles and AWB - all of whom have issues and inconsistent or no form. Yet you feel because he does not select one of these players, it is part of the reason which makes him a "terrible terrible manager"?
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To be fair, you have to be a little bit inebriated to watch United these days.
Be sceptical sure but what you said just then was plain wrong and shows you have no knowledge of how the set up has changed at the club and continues to do so
Everybody who's blaming Ralf for the coaching standard are forgetting that Ralf himself complained about this in his first press conference.
His hands were tied. He wanted Carrick & McKenna to both stay. He knew the incoming coaching team wasn't up to PL standards.
What are you on about?
Exactly this.
I don't know what people expect of Rangnick to be honest. It's hard enough taking charge of a dressing room filled with frauds and players not up to the level. You people need to be pointing your fingers at the players who have clearly not performed to the levels required.
In my opinion, there has been no "new manager bounce" because of the fact that Ralf is confirmed not to be taking over at the end of the season. Some of the players are not putting in the work that they should be putting in. The good thing about this is, he will be there to brief ETH and give his assessment on who to give a chance to and who to get rid of. Ralf is giving some of the players the rope to hang themselves with at the moment.
Exactly. Now, from a retrospective view, I think we should keep Ole until the end of season or at least persuade Carrick to stay. The decision has now turned out to be a complete failure. The decision makers are to be blamed. Unfortunately, fans here are taking every word to bash players only. They are the easy targets for keyboard warriors.
It was an exaggeration but nothing I have read screams big changes.
It's mad how no-one ever mentions it apart from a few like yourself. I don't think I've heard a single tv pundit ever bring it up.
I have mentioned it several times that he could not bring his full coaching setup. Except @TheReligion seems to think otherwise about my posts
I’ve not even spoken to you about it. You must be tagging the wrong personI have mentioned it several times that he could not bring his full coaching setup. Except @TheReligion seems to think otherwise about my posts
Well, I pretty much agree everything with you. Few things maybe to add... They were absolutely stunned with Ole sacking as you say. Don't think they had ETH in mind so much, but I do feel they strongly considered Poch. There were rumours about him a bit later after Ole sacking. I also think they didn't feel that Conte is the right man whether they had Mourinho vibes or something else, so they went for a different and to get some time.
I believe Rangnick (who Murtough rates a lot) impressed them when they approached him, so they concluded he was the perfect stopping gap. As for his consultancy his contract in Russia had him guaranteed that much time/money, so they went with that solution. I really think it was a good decision in the end (not sure what the f.. is everyone losing their shit here). First of all, the decision to officially gave him such role indicated that Murtough isn't some power hungry twat which is good to know. And in the end, it landed us ten Hag who emerged as a leading favorite.
Am not sure also that they know what to do with Ragnick now. Think he would be a valuable asset. Also think he will be important as much as ten Hag decide him to be.
All together, am happy we end up with ten Hag. Really excited to see him here.
He couldn’t get any of his first choice coaches in and from memory is actually short hence Fletcher stepping in to assist. It’s literally the most cobbled together set of staff the club has probably had coming in at a crucial part of the season from scratch.
Carrick and McKenna both going did us over a bit and didn’t give Rangnick much chance or help in delivering his methods and getting the squad on board with the change
Jesus, some of you need to stop getting so wound up, the season is over, we've a new manager coming. Relax and stop mashing the keyboard.
you suggested I’ve called him a terrible manager and started talking to me about full backs randomly. I’d not mentioned either point. Are you drunk?
Disagree. Klopp, Pep and SAF combined wouldn't work because as Neville said this club puts these players on a pedestal when they sign instantly undermining the manager with their shit like piano playing and making out these cretins are god like.
We have become a comedy club and it needs digging up and starting again.
So if I take over Manchester United tomorrow morning and complain about the coaching standard in my first press conference, and then bring in my own coaching team who isn't up to PL standards, does that mean I get a completely free pass 5 months from now when I have absolutely zero results to show for? Smooth.
This seems like the dream job.
The fans and co92 put paid to Carrick ever staying. He was almost hounded out. Rangnick tried to keep him, but it was too late for him to convince Carrick by then.
He was hired to help us secure top4, nothing else. By that metric, Ralf has failed at his job. His consulant role begins after. I cant really agree that the club failing miserably this season is a good thing.
I dont really think Ralf should be blamed for too much, but he should neither be given credit for a lot. Speaking in public about the squads shortcomings and poor performances is something you dont do if you want a unified dressing room. I dont believer Ralf did that because he plays 4D chess, I believe he did that because he is not a good leader. Having glasses and knowing people doesnt mean that you possess the ability to unify a dressing room, something that should have been the very first thing he adressed on the first day of the job. When Ole came as interim the team turned into worldbeaters for a time because of the way the dressing room was able to unify and straight up feel good about themselves for a while. Nothing of that happened when Ralf came. Something about the rethoric thats being spoken between players and manager during training sessions just doesnt transfer into optimism.
The best signing we could have done would be to hire someone that actually got us to Champions League. Ten Hag is still coming regardless, and he is the one that will have the final say in what players we buy, not Rangnick. Its by Ten Hags project we will be doing signings. But you know, its easy to sit here in hindsight and say "should have" and speculate, it is what it is at this point.
Ralfs role is still the same after the season ends: Work a few hours every month and give general advice to Murtough about his experiences and offer opinions. If reports are accurate, his alloted workhours amount to 1 week per month. Or a couple days every month.
He is not going to "help reshape" the club, recruit players or lead anything in any elaborate role outside of being a confidant of Murtough.
I think Rangnick is knowledgeable and has a lot of good ideas, and hopefully the club can make use of his contributions. With the answers in hand, appointing him the interim manager has been a colossal failure that has cost us the champions league spot, and everyone from the manager to the players are to blame.
Today we lost because Ralf allowed Bruno to take the penalty over Ronaldo. Because Telles was abhorrent and Bruno even worse. There is factual blame to go around everywhere.
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Ralf - 1.7%
Ole - 1.42%
Winning percentage.
Ole - 1.42%
Winning percentage.
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The mobs are saying better manager will do a lot more with this squad, they also think the squad need overhaul, they also want instant success.
They think anyone can notice there's systemic issue within the club yet Ralf is the only one to say that on public. Truly lack of awareness.
Ralf wants a full root and branch reform and I support it.
Rangnick has already pointed out several recommendations on the organization, football technical, recruitment/scouting and facility side of things and the club are already making changes behind the scenes. Murtough to his credit is surrounding himself with football people and the club is taking a different direction. The coming months will be fascinating, expect a lot of changes at the club.
Yes and gave Bruno a new bumper contract and about to give Rashford a new one.
I have my issues with Ralf. Especially for someone known to use unpredictable changes, he didn't do anything. There is nothing much he could do about the Dalot mistake and the penalty and even the last goal and the penalty miss.
Now everyone is up in arms because Bruno missed. The same people will be up in arms if Ronaldo had taken and missed it saying Bruno should have taken it.
Compared to the game against Liverpool we could have won this game if the referee and var was not bent and if we had taken our chances
When rumours of us hiring a DOF a few years ago first surfaced the name on most peoples lips was Rangnick. I've said previously in the thread that if the only way he came here as a consultant was to take the reigns for 6 months before moving upstairs then it was a risk worth taking. I still stand by that even if his tenure as interim didn't go as well as hoped.
You seem to have a dislike for the man and I find it a little strange that you (and plenty of others) don't even want him to continue as a DOF consultant after he's proved to be one of the best at club building in modern times. To find someone with the same level of experience is next to impossible because there's very few out there. It's baffling.
Rangnick was appointed as interim because he was going to be hired as consultant for the helicopter view. The traditional Fergie type manager role is a thing of the past and basically Rangnick is a technical director, not a trainer/coach.
The context is his hands were tied. There was nothing he could do about it. This isn't 'his coaching team' at all.
He couldn't bring his proper coaching team, because they were already in secure jobs elsewhere because he hadn't been a manager for 10 years, and they weren't going to leave for a 6 month gig. Because of this he firstly tried to convince Carrick & McKenna to stay.
McKenna then gets offered the Ipswich manager job, and because Carrick was practically hounded out before he arrived it was too late for him to change his mind too.
So it was the worst case scenario for him, and he was left scrambling for anyone who would accept a 6 month role. Obviously he was never going to be able to acquire any top class coaches under those circumstances. Hence we were left with Fletcher helping out, and whoever Rangnick had worked with in the past through RB Group.
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