This is false. Ralf was hired as an interim, first and foremost. The consultancy was something he requested and we agreed. This has been reported by several media outlets.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Your “Supports” tagline is going to age poorly, mate.
So are you saying he is of no blame for winning 2 games in like the last 2-3months? That's been my biggest issue of people defending Ralf here, saying basically no blame at all on him for this horrendous form.
yeah, exactly my point.. imagine Conte comes in and gets us up to fourth.. are you happy watching this squad refuse to run back next season? Because that’s exactly what you’d end up with.. and when they’re bored of Conte, they’ll throw him under the bus too.. just like the last two managers, I can’t honestly believe you can sit here after ten years of abject failure to play modern football, and blame it on Ralf Rangnick… Christ
Of course not, but he's not on a permanent contract.
I dont think his spicy news conferences have anything to do with that, he's spelling out exactly how much of a state the players are now because a) they completely gave up any act of trying or putting effort in after Atletico and b) there's now nothing to play for.
Whether ETH wants Rangnick to be involved at the club or not, they won't know yet. Because ETH and Ralf have both been focused on their own seasons and clearly haven't met yet for their handover talks.
As someone who was desperate for us to sack Ole in October and hire Conte I see this but you can't compare Conte with Rangnick. Conte is permanent Spurs manager, and got to make his own signings in January. And those signings have been pretty mega for him, or at least one of them has.
The last thing I hope he does is throw academy players out there, no point screwing up their confidence to "show a bit of fight" or whatever else people think they'll do when playing their first top flight football against some of the top 19 teams in the country.
Exactly. People don't want short term thinking, want a change at the club, think Conte is the answer? Baffling stupidity and proof some Utd fans have learnt absolutely nothing. Conte wasn't coming in and fixing the deep rooted issues at this club, he would be another plaster over a gaping wound.
Academy players should be fecking desperate to play.
A chance to turn out at Old Trafford in front of 70k in a game without the pressure of having to fight for titles or top four. A chance to put themselves straight into the mind of ETH before he even takes over.
Any of the younger players, Hannibal, Garnacho, Shoretire, Mengi etc, should be fecking desperate for a chance in these circumstances. If they're not then they're not fit to be United players.
And of course the flip side of that is that now there's nothing to play for Ralf should stop wasting game time on players who are leaving and give it to those who could still make something of their United careers.
The board was ready to give him the job full time if he'd done well. He himself refused to rule that out after a decent start.
Some of you are giving the club way too much credit for thinking they were planning for ETH all along.
Not all along but they were working on it back in January? THere's people wanting to give the club too much credit, and then people who appear to not want to give the club any credit.
I'm afraid you're wasting your time. The most fervent anti Ralf seem to be the most pro Ole. When changes were made under Ole, such as transfers it was Ole getting all the credit until those transfers didn't hit the heights expected then they became club transfers.
The same is happening to Ralf. They don't want to give him any sort of credit in what's happening in the club today. Like you said, who knows who's deciding what behind the scenes but I'd like to think that after hiring Rangnick as a consultant they would actually be consulting him behind the scenes even if he isn't actually in the job yet.
Whatever way the most important thing is change is happening and it seems quite radical at that. That's all any supporter could ask for because we were going absolutely nowhere under the previous regime. Onwards and upwards.
On a tactical basis, I don’t think the current set up is better than Ole/Carrick and McKenna. I don’t think a premier league side with a defender as weak as Tavares should stand a chance of winning, let alone 3-1.
I don't believe anything. That's the point. Unless you call looking at logic belief.
After ten years, I hardly think RR is the issue. in fact I have appreciated his honesty and candor. He has called out numerous issues that Ole was afraid to say. If you take all the comments of all the manager's since SAF (yes have to cut thru a bit of salt from some), it quickly becomes apparent that despite our massive outlays in cash, we have little to show for it because we lack a clear vision from the higher ups. RR and hopefully ETH are focused on rebuilding United by first dealing with the leadership vision at this club.
Am I impressed with how RR has managed the squad... no. Do I place the blame at his doorstep... just a fraction. We have much bigger issues and hopefully ETH with RR's help can get us focused back on a clear vision and a well run club.
Am I impressed with how RR has managed the squad... no. Do I place the blame at his doorstep... just a fraction. We have much bigger issues and hopefully ETH with RR's help can get us focused back on a clear vision and a well run club.
I also think he’s not being shy about wanting the job as sporting director and he might have taken the coaching and consulting role as a stepping stone towards that.
With his director hat on he's apparently assessing the squad for the next manager (he implies he's doing this anyway). But that squad is currently being managed by an average manager (who happens to be him) and is going through arguably the worst period of form that any United team has experienced in the last 30-40 years with confidence almost across the board in the shitter. This arrangement is obviously going to result in a much more negative assessment than if he was assessing the same players when they were being managed by a top manager. If you get where I'm coming from.
Bad manager, bad appointment by the club, revisionism by anyone moving the goal line now that this guy has shown to be the worst manager we have had in modern times.
United have been mis-managed at boardroom level for almost a decade, not much does add up.
As for United ''moving him upstairs'' at the end of the season. Are they though?
Going off Ralf's comments yesterday he doesn't seem so sure, I've had my doubts for months and as the season goes on and more information comes out. It's looking more and more as if Ralf won't have a huge role at United after this season, if he even has one at all.
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Thinking the squad needs major improvement and thinking Ralf done an awful job as manager aren't mutually exclusive you know.The fact some of you believe the manager is still the problem. Jose, Ole and now Ralf. Really is still the fecking manager!?
I think he will fade like a fart in the wind by next season. Unless him and ETH are exactly on the same page, then there's no way this would work, especially since he's just a consultant after this which basically means feck all and going by his comments, nothing is really written in his contract that he's staying beyond this caretaker role.
Totally agree.
It's going to take a few seasons to fix the mess that has been building up for the last 10 years.
He is an independent contractor, or so it seems.
He won't be employed by the club. He will probably be paid (on a retainer basis?) to provide consultation.
Whether or not his advice is implemented by the club is a whole other matter.
Your comment re neutrals thinking the glazers are OK is a bit of a weird one. Almost everyone knows United are a complete shit show and blames the glazers for it.
Rangnick has undoubtedly failed, even ignoring the top 4 race he has failed to improve the team from the worst days of oles reign. We are terrible in defence and have no style of play in possession. Also acting like top 4 was unachievable is pathetically low standards given it would have just required us to beat Burnley, Everton, Newcastle and the likes.
No one is blaming him for the past 8 years. We are blaming him for the feckless, 40% win percentage, 9-0 on aggregate to the dippers, 25% possession, no CL for you, time he has been in charge here.
Spot on
9 wins in 20 league games, let's be honest, he's been very bad. When he arrived I think pretty much anyone thought we had a decent shot at 4th considering how shit Arsenal and Spurs are but Ralf did not even put on a challenge.
What credit do you think there is on Rangnick so far out of interest?
Do you think he's had a hand in the new manager appointment? Or the potential transfers list?
It's quite hard to believe Ole would have been any worse than it's been since.
Agreed
No doubt he has things to offer but his strengths in strategic thinking don't suit being an interim manager. And his cv as a manager isn't good enough to land him a job at a top club
Were you around for the Moyes season?
Managing a top club in a top league is just a different level, that even very good coaches can fail at, ETH will probably have the same fate, although his demands are probably a goods sign. RR should never have signed on without demanding at least one player to buy during the winter.
While it hasn’t worked out at a manager level for Ralf, this season is heading into a similar car crash like we had at the end of Ole’s interim turned caretaker season. I believe Ralf should be involved in some capacity in helping our recruitment and outgoings for next season. Having him only as an interim manager and then letting him go would be extremely stupid. He has built strong teams based on smart recruitment, let him work in his best role for the new season.
Why such bitterness towards the man? Over the years I've very rarely seen you come out so against someone as you have with Rangnick. Even with Ole you waited until the very end before calling him out.
You have to understand that 90% of Ralfs failings are a culmination of being a horribly run club for the better part of 15 years. It was such a deep rooted problem that the whole thing needs to be ripped up and started again. Ralf is the focal point at the minute but the damage caused before his arrival doesn't seem to be taken into consideration.
He came in as interim. He was never going to be a candidate unless he did exceptionally well as manager. He didn't so if the club are smart they will now listen to him in what he's actually qualified at.
I also stand by my point that if Conte was now our manager we wouldn't be much better off. He is known as a hard task manager and if Ralfs reign is anything to go by then the players would equally down tools for Conte the same as Ralf. Another point on Conte is if he did come in on a 18 month contract we now wouldn't have secured the services of ETH. Win win situation.
Why blame him for the 9-0 when it was Ole that was in charge for 5 of those goals?
Ralf has a 1.65 points per game in the league since taking over, which is an improvement over Ole's 1.41 before he got fired this season. It's better than Mourinho's 1.61 the season he got fired. Just below Moyes 1.67 (with a team that was the defending champion), and LVG's 1.73 in his second season.
Is it good enough? Of course not. But people are going overboard talking about him as if he is by far the worst of them all, considering that he walked into by far the worst situation out of any of them. Obviously the last 6-7 weeks has been a shit show (although still better than what we were doing under Ole), but before that he'd done a decent job stabilising the ship. It should also be noted that recently he's had about 9 players out who would all have been expected to start a significant amount of matches at the start of the season.
If he is making strong recommendations behinds the scenes that the board are listening to, then it'll end up being well worth it IMO. Obviously we would have hoped that he would have got top 4, but the most important thing for me was always that he'd provide a proper review of the football side of the club by a person with experience in doing so.
Is it good enough? Of course not. But people are going overboard talking about him as if he is by far the worst of them all, considering that he walked into by far the worst situation out of any of them. Obviously the last 6-7 weeks has been a shit show (although still better than what we were doing under Ole), but before that he'd done a decent job stabilising the ship. It should also be noted that recently he's had about 9 players out who would all have been expected to start a significant amount of matches at the start of the season.
If he is making strong recommendations behinds the scenes that the board are listening to, then it'll end up being well worth it IMO. Obviously we would have hoped that he would have got top 4, but the most important thing for me was always that he'd provide a proper review of the football side of the club by a person with experience in doing so.
The usual hyperbole after we lose.
He has been handed a shit hand, but the posters on this forum are funny on one hand the players are all shit and should be sold and on the other hand the manager is doing a bad job with the players who should be sold and are all shit you can't have it both ways guys......
He has been handed a shit hand, but the posters on this forum are funny on one hand the players are all shit and should be sold and on the other hand the manager is doing a bad job with the players who should be sold and are all shit you can't have it both ways guys......
As mentioned various times throughout the thread no one outside the club has any idea on who's making the radical changes inside the club but I do believe that Ralf is a part of it. Why bring in a consultant and not consult him even if he hasn't officially started in the job yet? Murtough obviously rates him as its been publicly noted and the credit I think Ralf has is the experience he's demonstrated in building clubs up from nothing to very successful operations. Granted that credit has yet to be put in the bank but for me it's there.
Out of interest when it was first made public a couple of years ago that we were looking for a DOF who was your option? Ralf was overwhelming favourite if I remember correctly which is why i find it had to understand the vitriol thrown at him because he failed in a role he wasn't qualified for.
On the subject of Ole. Maybe you're right that it may not be worse than at present but in that scenario all the club would be doing would be putting on bandaids after bandaids without actually getting to the root of all the problems we've suffered for so long. Maybe it's a coincidence that Ralf is here when we're in the middle of revolutionising the club or maybe he's actually helping. Either way I'm just happy that the club finally seems to be moving in the right direction after so long of ineptitude. It's long past time.
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People always say this sort of hyperbolic stuff, they said the same about Barca under Koeman.
Yet since Jan 1st, they've won more points than anyone else in La Liga.
That doesn't mean we'll compete with City and Liverpool next season but we'll be closer than we have been in a long time.
I don’t get the impression that there is loads of infighting and cliques in the Barca team. We have a very toxic dressing room.
Could have parachuted Pep in during the winter and we'd still be a similar position to this, if the squad all thought he was only an interim and he wasnt allowed to make any signings in January.
The players all stopped trying, and the dressing room is fatally fractured. No manager in world football could have rescued this without being given the permanent job and been able to drop the worst offenders and bring others in during January.
The players all stopped trying, and the dressing room is fatally fractured. No manager in world football could have rescued this without being given the permanent job and been able to drop the worst offenders and bring others in during January.
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