FrankDrebin
Don't call me Shirley
Its been longer than 3 years.
We have a team that didn't take direction under Ole. So, what makes you think that they'll be doing what Rangnick wants?I see a few people here talking about pressing. Did anyone see us press today ? I don't think I did.
And sometimes saying it isn’t a good thing. If a manager was honest in interviews and press conferences then he'd be sacked in 2 months.Every manager at this level will be able to see what went wrong. Sometimes you just cannot change anything if you don't have the tools available to you.
Who would you dump?We have a team that didn't take direction under Ole. So, what makes you think that they'll be doing what Rangnick wants?
Seriously, this squad needs to be gutted by at least 50% of the brainless fools that don't comprehend the concept of teamwork.
We expect little improvements each game, but we are moving backwards so far. Still early, but not promising.Couple of games in and people are ready to hang him. What do they realistically expect from a new manager? Back to back wins with City'ish scores? This squad does not have the mentality, fitness, dedication and overall quality to do such things on short notice. Give the man some time for christ sake
There's little doubt that Pogba will announce that he's speaking with other clubs during that coming transfer window. Don't bank on him helping out this team in shambles.Just waiting for Pogba to return. My current viewpoint is that this midfield is bottom 3 tier. Mcfred is absolutely pathetic for a club who thinks they should be 'winning'
My hypothesis is with Pogba we will regain some control in midfield and that can help the lazy front 4 who can't do shit without the ball. Then if that's the case, Pogba alone can't do it, it would require another CM that can hold the ball, controll the play etc.
If thats wrong and that doesn't happen then I don't even know. Start from scratch yet again
I sense the CR tantrums is more in relation to his own performances and powers dwindling than that of those around him. Must be horrible for the body to give out before the mind.we are in the shite and it's right up to our ears. RR gonna have to make some big decisions about some very high profile players. This is a strange mix of personalities that are not gelling. CR negative energy at times is affecting some players confidence
Yup.Three years of dilapidation can't be repaired over night.
Hopefully these decisions are in sync with the next manager too as last thing we need is Rangnick ringing changes which don't transition well in the summer.we are in the shite and it's right up to our ears. RR gonna have to make some big decisions about some very high profile players. This is a strange mix of personalities that are not gelling. CR negative energy at times is affecting some players confidence
It's more than three.Three years of dilapidation can't be repaired over night.
Nothing to do with Pep. SAFs football declined in his latter years as you'd expect for a man approaching his 80s (I think!?). But a good enough manager should have been able to transition us to the modern game which never happened.It's more than three.
Arguably the moment we lost to Barcelona in 2009* started this. Bloody Pep. SAF knew the writing was on the wall and didn't have enough time to evolve us again for the fight and we've been on the receiving end ever since. One last push for whatever he could grab after that, before he went, and I don't blame him but we've suffered ever since. The slow zombie football started around that time.
*Double arguably it crept in during the 1-0's we kept racking up on that record breaking run and the rot set in when we conceded that first goal to Blackburn and Roque fecking Santa Cruz.
Football changed. As it always does.Nothing to do with Pep. SAFs football declined in his latter years as you'd expect for a man approaching his 80s (I think!?). But a good enough manager should have been able to transition us to the modern game which never happened.
I agree with the rest. Just don't think one can pin it on Pep alone. The new generation was always going to be different as many many mangers have shown.Football changed. As it always does.
We didn't.
Pep was the poison pill that everyone took.
We're paying the price for playing a game that doesn't exist anymore.
We're gonna be paying the price for it for a long time yet, just like Liverpool did when they didn't see the Prem coming.
Give us another 20 odd years, it'll come back to us hopefully.
That's fair, I just think he's the convenient figurehead of the generation that we can point our anger towards. Really he was just the opening salvo of what this new football was gonna be like and our first taste of it was against them in 2009.I agree with the rest. Just don't think one can pin it on Pep alone. The new generation was always going to be different as many many mangers have shown.
He’s asked our players to always pass forward and between the lines. You can see their brains working that extra split second as they aren’t used to it.We've just been played off the park Vs Norwich and Newcastle. We got 4 PTS but didn't really deserve any.
This isn't a new manager bounce. It's an absolute mess. He's still picking all the same players who everyone wanted dropped.
Eh? I thought everyone was accusing Ole of not being able to coach and was all about vibes and individual brilliance? If so there is then nothing to un-teach.Some people honestly think he could undo the teachings of Ole in 4 games with one game preparation being ripped apart by covid?
We played like this under Ole, its the players comfort blanket when the tough gets going, they resort to sideways and backwards passing because its easy to do and doesn't require an ounce of responsibility to be taken. Our captain himself is the main fecking culprit of it, so what chance do we have of anything progressive happening?!
These performances are ingrained into the players mindset, Rangnick is attempting to undo that and instill his workings but I'm afraid 6 months won't be enough.
Time to look at the players first and foremost instead of the manager, the lack of responsibility being taken in their individual performances is startling.
I agree. Look at the 08 team - Rooney, Hargreaves, Tevez all played with industry as well as skill. Liverpool and city’s teams are full of workhorses too.It’s the players and was under Ole too.
We’ve entrusted the completely wrong kind of players over and over. Cavani James Fred Bruno Herrera, we need more players with industry to make things happen for the more skilful ones. The balance is all wrong. We are still carrying far too many prima donnas. Getting out fought every second week is no fun.
How many formations have been tried?I cannot understand this 4222 bollocks. Too many players out of position. Zero width. Zero creativity. Zero defensive stability.
There’s a reason every top manager uses a variation of the 433.
Really hate to agree but it’s clear. You can say Ole was not up to par, fair enough he wasn’t tactically. But you got a guy who is clearly an upgrade but the new manager bounce has been minimal. You can argue that players still need to adjust but everyone can see the body language is horrible and the physicality is sorely lacking. Talent wise this team is definitely top 4 but unfortunately we seem to be heading to another player churn.How many formations have been tried?
How many player combinations have been tried?
There's one common denominator here - a bunch of show ponies and a bewildered captain
It's time to get rid of some players by either dropping or selling
If the players can't keep possession of the ball, pass the ball accurately and harrass and chase when out of possession what are they being paid to do?
Maguire has zero clue what's going on around him. Drop him
Just toys being thrown now. Chelsea has had like 3 interim managers in the past decade. Famously, Hiddink. The point is to get to the summer when the very best managers are willing to switch if they are not free agents. It's not done just for fun.We will be in a battle for 6th spot before the penny drops with these players. Should have appointed a full time manager. Every other club who sacked their manager has but us. It's a joke.