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He wants full control over all things football and Bayern wouldn't offer that. Wenger as interim until the end of the season.

Now if Woodward actually is prepared to cede control over the football side and give it to Rangnick it would be a huge step forward for Manchester United. I'm highly sceptical he will, though. Fingers crossed.
 

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"Ragnick, who is head of sport and development at Red Bull, would like to work in England if he leaves his post"

I get the feeling we might have a agreement with him.
Emery gets sacked first, Arsenal get him. We keep Ole for another couple windows of rebuild.:wenger:
 

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He wants full control over all things football and Bayern wouldn't offer that. Wenger as interim until the end of the season.

Now if Woodward actually is prepared to cede control over the football side and give it to Rangnick it would be a huge step forward for Manchester United. I'm highly sceptical he will, though. Fingers crossed.
I think the pressure is on Woodward like never before and I believe he'll give Rangnick total control. I also think Ole will be gone before the January transfer window opens. I can't see the Glazers willing to back a manager with so much uncertainty surrounding him.
 

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I think the pressure is on Woodward like never before and I believe he'll give Rangnick total control. I also think Ole will be gone before the January transfer window opens. I can't see the Glazers willing to back a manager with so much uncertainty surrounding him.
It makes too much sense, doesn't it? Please fecking happen :drool:
 

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So many esteemed football heads, with thoughtful opinions on the game and how to play it, how to recruit, etc. Yet we get stuck first with Moyes and now the Molde and failed Cardiff manager.

How exactly do we get our hopes up for the right replacements?
 

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So many esteemed football heads, with thoughtful opinions on the game and how to play it, how to recruit, etc. Yet we get stuck first with Moyes and now the Molde and failed Cardiff manager.

How exactly do we get our hopes up for the right replacements?
If you listen to them, Rangnick’s ideas and Solskjær’s ideas about club and game development are much the same.
 

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If you listen to them, Rangnick’s ideas and Solskjær’s ideas about club and game development are much the same.
The ideas are the same as Bob from redcafe. Steve McMannaman can come out and give broad stroke ideas on BT Sport like Ole does in his interviews. It's about implementation and you can tell from the granular explanation that Rangnick, coupled with his established pedigree, knows about putting it to practise.
 

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The ideas are the same as Bob from redcafe. Steve McMannaman can come out and give broad stroke ideas on BT Sport like Ole does in his interviews. It's about implementation and you can tell from the granular explanation that Rangnick, coupled with his established pedigree, knows about putting it to practise.
Or that he is even more granular in his communication ;) Rangnick is as I understand it only an option for a DoF role if anything here, so he would be a collaborator to Ole, not a competitor. The fact that they have similar ideas is a pro, not a con. I answered to a post that seemed to think Rangnick would be good to bring in on account of his ideas being different and better than Solskjær’s. I would rather say Solskjær have started Rangnick’s work for him. And Rangnick would be a better candidate than woodward to assess wether Solskjær is good enough to implement these ideas in the first team squad.
 

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To be honest, Rangnick is more of SAF type than Ole, play 442 system and he'd want to build the club from scratch and have a good eye for young talents and like to develop youngs. He wants full control of the club like SAF.

If the board say they want to challenge for the league by 2022, they should get Rangnick to develop players and create a team where Nagelsmann or Marco Rose can take over as head of coaches and move Rangnick to higher position or DoF.
 

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If you listen to them, Rangnick’s ideas and Solskjær’s ideas about club and game development are much the same.
Ideas remain just that if you don't have the skills to implement them and realize them in real life.
 

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I don't know enough about him to say either way, but he's 61 and hasn't had a 'big' job so it's a risk, regardless of the noise around him. He's also only been a first team coach in two of the last seven or eight seasons. Last season they didn't get out of a Europa group of Celtic, Salzburg and Rosenborg. He could be great or it might be a step too far for him. Personally, I don't think we should get caught up in trying to get someone who's all things to all men. If he's the best manager available (if we need one) get him. If not, don't go for him because he's also a good DOF.
While I’d usually agreed I don’t necessarily think it’s the case here. He undoubtably has a strong philosophy and footballing identity the club finds very desirable. Whether he is to implement that as a manager with relative autonomy or as a DoF with a hand selected manager whom he believes can structure things to his plan, is up to the man himself and the club. Being talented enough to do both doesn’t make him a jack of all trades, but simply multi faceted.
 

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I read a lot of people that wants Rose as manager. Why is he a better choice than ten Hag or Brendan Rodgers.?
 

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He can be a dof after we get a permanent replacement. We also can tap into German market.
He can be the one who Ole was supposed to be.

Makes too much sense and so, dont think it will happen.
 

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He can be a dof after we get a permanent replacement. We also can tap into German market.
He can be the one who Ole was supposed to be.

Makes too much sense and so, dont think it will happen.
This and bringing him as manager means that we'd still be relying on Woodward and Judge to execute transfer strategy. We would be bound to fail because in a summer where would need 5 players they would spend 6 weeks pursuing one deal at a time and all that nonsense. If he is coming in we need him as head of football and reduce Woodward to mere bean counter.
 

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If you listen to them, Rangnick’s ideas and Solskjær’s ideas about club and game development are much the same.
You missed the keyword in my comment : esteemed. Specifically I'm referring to the pedigree as managerial or sporting director.

Ragnick is esteemed and accomplished. Ole is not. So when the former talks ideas we've seen them implemented across numerous clubs with great advances and success. When Ole talks we don't see any signs to show he's more than the half decade of managing Molde and relegating Cardiff.
 

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This and bringing him as manager means that we'd still be relying on Woodward and Judge to execute transfer strategy. We would be bound to fail because in a summer where would need 5 players they would spend 6 weeks pursuing one deal at a time and all that nonsense. If he is coming in we need him as head of football and reduce Woodward to mere bean counter.
That's why it's never happening.
 

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The ideas are the same as Bob from redcafe. Steve McMannaman can come out and give broad stroke ideas on BT Sport like Ole does in his interviews. It's about implementation and you can tell from the granular explanation that Rangnick, coupled with his established pedigree, knows about putting it to practise.
Let’s not get carried away here with the Hipster flavour of the month.

Rangnick is a less than average manager at best.
 

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Let’s not get carried away here with the Hipster flavour of the month.

Rangnick is a less than average manager at best.
Million times better than Ole

UCL semi with Schalke is no mean feat
 

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I read a lot of people that wants Rose as manager. Why is he a better choice than ten Hag or Brendan Rodgers.?
more of new flavour. Rodger will never get the credit he deserves here because of his Liverpool past and his character
 

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While I’d usually agreed I don’t necessarily think it’s the case here. He undoubtably has a strong philosophy and footballing identity the club finds very desirable. Whether he is to implement that as a manager with relative autonomy or as a DoF with a hand selected manager whom he believes can structure things to his plan, is up to the man himself and the club. Being talented enough to do both doesn’t make him a jack of all trades, but simply multi faceted.
Sorry, I don’t think I explained myself very well there. It’s not that he is a jack of all trades, so much as we might force him to be one, for our own purposes. What I’m getting at, I suppose, is that if we bring him in as manager with autonomy, along the lines of your first example, are we going back something akin to the Fergie model, which the club has been so bullish about saying they need to move away from? With a considerably worse manager? What happens if he doesn’t work out? The entire philosophy of the club likely has to pivot again, I would have thought.

I guess the TL;DR version is that I’m seeing a lot of downside to heaping almost all of the pressure of the restructuring of the to club on the shoulders of one guy who, in terms of being our manager at least, might arguably be lucky to be on the shortlist, much less than standout/anointed candidate. As I said, though, I can’t pretend to know enough about him to speak with any great confidence.
 

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UCL semi with Schalke is no mean feat
A nice example of how Rangnick's achievements as a manager are being ridiculously inflated in this thread.

For those unaware it was Magath that took Schalke to the QFs but he was sacked. Rangnick took over and got them past Inter. Then we knocked them out.

This "mean feat" is literally winning one tie.
 

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Another cringe german hipster, hope we don't go near him what does he know about the prem and the United Way??

blanco texto
 

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Sorry, I don’t think I explained myself very well there. It’s not that he is a jack of all trades, so much as we might force him to be one, for our own purposes. What I’m getting at, I suppose, is that if we bring him in as manager with autonomy, along the lines of your first example, are we going back something akin to the Fergie model, which the club has been so bullish about saying they need to move away from? With a considerably worse manager? What happens if he doesn’t work out? The entire philosophy of the club likely has to pivot again, I would have thought.

I guess the TL;DR version is that I’m seeing a lot of downside to heaping almost all of the pressure of the restructuring of the to club on the shoulders of one guy who, in terms of being our manager at least, might arguably be lucky to be on the shortlist, much less than standout/anointed candidate. As I said, though, I can’t pretend to know enough about him to speak with any great confidence.
He's someone who builds up the football club which is definitely something we need. And he's supposedly well known for being able to put in place the best man for the job. So that should negate the problem of being over reliant. Given from what one reads, his ideas are in line with modern football it shouldn't be an issue.

The other absolutely crucial thing we need of course is a proper coach of players, of course. Not sure if that's what he is. But what I hear sounds good.

To be honest ideally we'd be targeting the upcoming star manager to join us soon. If this chap can lay the groundwork then that would be fanstatic.
 

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He wants full control over all things football and Bayern wouldn't offer that. Wenger as interim until the end of the season.

Now if Woodward actually is prepared to cede control over the football side and give it to Rangnick it would be a huge step forward for Manchester United. I'm highly sceptical he will, though. Fingers crossed.
He wouldn't be ceding control, he'd be stripping it away from the manager and giving it to the DOF. It would also involve sacking the manager he has employed to allow the DOF to make his own appointments
 

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He wouldn't be ceding control, he'd be stripping it away from the manager and giving it to the DOF. It would also involve sacking the manager he has employed to allow the DOF to make his own appointments
Of course he would be ceding control. If Rangnick came he would oversee everything football wise. Guess who does that right now?? That's right its Woodward.
 

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Of course he would be ceding control. If Rangnick came he would oversee everything football wise. Guess who does that right now?? That's right its Woodward.
Rangnick would be reporting to Woodward though?
 

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So many esteemed football heads, with thoughtful opinions on the game and how to play it, how to recruit, etc. Yet we get stuck first with Moyes and now the Molde and failed Cardiff manager.

How exactly do we get our hopes up for the right replacements?
Do you think Guardiola would have gotten that Cardiff team into the Champions League then?

Just cos he failed somewhere doesn’t mean he’s gonna fail everywhere. I’m not saying he’s ready for Man Utd, but I think criticising him for that is silly.

SAF was a failed St Mirren manager at one point.
 

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Of course he would be ceding control. If Rangnick came he would oversee everything football wise. Guess who does that right now?? That's right its Woodward.
Woodward would give powers to Rangnick, he himself would retain the same powers. The person that would cede power is the manager. And right now it's Murtough that oversees everything football wise, Woodward oversee everything Manchester United wise since he is the CEO everything is under his power.
 

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Do you think Guardiola would have gotten that Cardiff team into the Champions League then?

Just cos he failed somewhere doesn’t mean he’s gonna fail everywhere. I’m not saying he’s ready for Man Utd, but I think criticising him for that is silly.

SAF was a failed St Mirren manager at one point.
:lol: how do you get so good at these ridiculous mental gymnastics to make a stupid point even more ridiculous.

Sir Alex didn't join United after failing at St Mirren. He joined after a very successful run including in Europe.

Ole is awful . Moyes level bad. Can he learn and Get better. Maybe. But shouldn't be at Uniteds cost.