Rashford, our most exciting youth product since Ryan Giggs?

[Skåre Willoch]

I wish I would have been right. On the plus side my Liverpool friend was waxing lyrically about Sterling. Now he thinks he's crap.

Well, Guardiola and Sterling seems to be a good fit, cause he's miles and miles better than last season. MOTM yesterday, and some very good moments in all games this season. Might become a monster under Pep.

As for Rashford, i don't see the Welbeck comparison. Welbeck was exciting and a good prospect, but the only real similarity between them is that they're both local lads. I think Lingard and Welbeck are a lot more comparable, to be honest. Rashford has that killer instinct and nose for goals that Welbeck (nor Lingard) never had, and never will have (I think Jesse is a brilliant squad player though). Rashfords finishing is better than most players in our first team (bar Zlatan and a few others). There was one moment vs. Hull, where he made a brilliant run with the ball, and released a shot so quickly and so well placed that only a brilliant save from the goalie kept it out.
Welbeck never had any end product to show for, other than being fun to watch and working hard. Rashford, with the right mentality and mentorship (Zlatan?), might turn into proper world class. I'm so excited about Rashford, and if all things work out, we have some properly exciting young lads on the books. Martial, Rashford, TFM.

 

[Billy Blaggs]

Well, Guardiola and Sterling seems to be a good fit, cause he's miles and miles better than last season. MOTM yesterday, and some very good moments in all games this season. Might become a monster under Pep.

As for Rashford, i don't see the Welbeck comparison. Welbeck was exciting and a good prospect, but the only real similarity between them is that they're both local lads. I think Lingard and Welbeck are a lot more comparable, to be honest. Rashford has that killer instinct and nose for goals that Welbeck (nor Lingard) never had, and never will have (I think Jesse is a brilliant squad player though). Rashfords finishing is better than most players in our first team (bar Zlatan and a few others). There was one moment vs. Hull, where he made a brilliant run with the ball, and released a shot so quickly and so well placed that only a brilliant save from the goalie kept it out.
Welbeck never had any end product to show for, other than being fun to watch and working hard. Rashford, with the right mentality and mentorship (Zlatan?), might turn into proper world class. I'm so excited about Rashford, and if all things work out, we have some properly exciting young lads on the books. Martial, Rashford, TFM.

I never said Rashford was like Welbeck . I think you've thought I was someone else

 

[Billy Blaggs]

Well, Guardiola and Sterling seems to be a good fit, cause he's miles and miles better than last season. MOTM yesterday, and some very good moments in all games this season. Might become a monster under Pep.

As for Rashford, i don't see the Welbeck comparison. Welbeck was exciting and a good prospect, but the only real similarity between them is that they're both local lads. I think Lingard and Welbeck are a lot more comparable, to be honest. Rashford has that killer instinct and nose for goals that Welbeck (nor Lingard) never had, and never will have (I think Jesse is a brilliant squad player though). Rashfords finishing is better than most players in our first team (bar Zlatan and a few others). There was one moment vs. Hull, where he made a brilliant run with the ball, and released a shot so quickly and so well placed that only a brilliant save from the goalie kept it out.
Welbeck never had any end product to show for, other than being fun to watch and working hard. Rashford, with the right mentality and mentorship (Zlatan?), might turn into proper world class. I'm so excited about Rashford, and if all things work out, we have some properly exciting young lads on the books. Martial, Rashford, TFM.

I said he wasn't a good at this age as Giggs. No one is or was

 

[Scholesy]

I see a killer instinct in Rashford that Welbeck never ever exhibited.
I'm a fan.

I agree but isn't he a converted winger? If he was a geneuine ruthless finisher, why did he ever play on the wing? But then again so did C Ronaldo.
I still think its too early to judge his finishing. He has only scored 10 goals.


But I think he is very over rated. He loses the ball far too much and although his dribbling is good, its more down to speed and luck rather than actual ball control.

 

[DWelbz19]

But I think he is very over rated. He loses the ball far too much and although his dribbling is good, its more down to speed and luck rather than actual ball control.

So, what you're saying is he's like almost every other young exciting attacking prospect?

 

[Scholesy]

So, what you're saying is he's like almost every other young exciting attacking prospect?

I think think too many of his dribbles are unsuccessful and therefore loses the ball too often or he runs it out of play quite a lot.

 

[Skåre Willoch]

I never said Rashford was like Welbeck . I think you've thought I was someone else

Easy, cowboy. I quoted you for the Sterling argument, the Welbeck thing had nothing to do with your post. It was pointed at the comparisons between Rashford and Welbeck throughout the thread, not you at all Sorry if that was unclear.

 

[JeffBoomTetris]

He isn't as exciting as Giggs was. Giggs was faster and could dribble better.

 

[TwoSheds]

He isn't as exciting as Giggs was. Giggs was faster and could dribble better.

Yet Rashford's movement in the box and finishing might be superior?

 

[jb8521]

Scolds first came through as a striker when he was 18. Scored about 14 goals and then we signed Andy Cole and scholes mostly went into the background til he was about 22 when he started establishing himself as a midfielder. Which was weird. I remember thinking at the time 'what's happened to him'. Obviously at that time you couldn't really look it up on line to see what was going on so it was a bit of a mystery.

Scholes only made his debut a couple of months before his 20th birthday and played 25 times that season and his appearances only increased in the seasons after that

 

[3KDré]

I agree but isn't he a converted winger? If he was a geneuine ruthless finisher, why did he ever play on the wing? But then again so did C Ronaldo.
I still think its too early to judge his finishing. He has only scored 10 goals.


But I think he is very over rated. He loses the ball far too much and although his dribbling is good, its more down to speed and luck rather than actual ball control.

I do think Iheanacho is better but Rashford doesn't really miss many chances. If he gets the ball in the box it's likely to go in. His movement is very good and you can tell because he is always the one in the right place at the right time to convert those chances. Perhaps this is why he was converted from a winger to a striker.

 

[DFreshKing]

I like Welbeck and I didn't want him sold but he was like bambi on ice at 18 compared to Rashford.

He has a real chance of being a superstar imho.

 

[sully1]

Well, Guardiola and Sterling seems to be a good fit, cause he's miles and miles better than last season. MOTM yesterday, and some very good moments in all games this season. Might become a monster under Pep.

As for Rashford, i don't see the Welbeck comparison. Welbeck was exciting and a good prospect, but the only real similarity between them is that they're both local lads. I think Lingard and Welbeck are a lot more comparable, to be honest. Rashford has that killer instinct and nose for goals that Welbeck (nor Lingard) never had, and never will have (I think Jesse is a brilliant squad player though). Rashfords finishing is better than most players in our first team (bar Zlatan and a few others). There was one moment vs. Hull, where he made a brilliant run with the ball, and released a shot so quickly and so well placed that only a brilliant save from the goalie kept it out.
Welbeck never had any end product to show for, other than being fun to watch and working hard. Rashford, with the right mentality and mentorship (Zlatan?), might turn into proper world class. I'm so excited about Rashford, and if all things work out, we have some properly exciting young lads on the books. Martial, Rashford, TFM.

Yeah Welbeck looks like a donkey now compared to Rashford. The difference between these 2 lads is so big Welbeck worked on everything about his game but couldn't finish, Rashford looks like an out and out winger when he goes out to collect the ball but as soon as he gets in the box he's got strikers instinct where his body automatically goes to spaces that aren't occupied.

He's got hernandez's finishing and Ryan Giggs brain when he goes to attack the defenders.

 

[sully1]

I like Welbeck and I didn't want him sold but he was like bambi on ice at 18 compared to Rashford.

He has a real chance of being a superstar imho.

This 45 mins into Rashfords full PL debut against Arsenal i realised how actually shit Welbeck was for us.

 

[Fingeredmouse]

Yes, I think so. He's almost as exciting, and much more of a goal scorer, but there's not 20 years of disappointment preceding Rashford, so the contrast is less stark.
For me, it's a yes.

 

[Billy Blaggs]

I like Welbeck and I didn't want him sold but he was like bambi on ice at 18 compared to Rashford.

He has a real chance of being a superstar imho.

I agree he does have a real chance of being top class. His education is about as good as he can get .

 

[sidsutton]

Rashford is a similar talent to Welbeck in my opinion. Good but not the top quality like Ibrahimivic or a younger Rooney had.

Most exciting prospect since Nathan Delfouneso?

 

[luke511]

Rashford is a similar talent to Welbeck in my opinion. Good but not the top quality like Ibrahimivic or a younger Rooney had.

Never become a scout.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

He's a United player, fearless and hardworking.

Not that it can't go pear-shaped for him from here, but his chances are better than most. Talent is the obvious requirement, but you can't make it to the top without top notch character.

 

[Eckers99]

Sounds like he's got the temperament to make it - he's not even got an agent yet, has his brother doing that side of things for him. He seems very grounded considering his rise. Bodes very well.

 

[freshibal]

He isn't technically better. But he has something that alot of the others lack. He's completely fearless.
Gives no shites who the opposition is. Just outright attacks.

That mentality is not easy to grow.

 

[JeffBoomTetris]

Yet Rashford's movement in the box and finishing might be superior?

Very agreeable. But it comes down to the fact that he is a forward. Personally, I don't find Rashford's movement 'that' impressive as a forward. There have been multitude of forwards for us in the past. Their attacking movement was top-notch. But they weren't really lauded, were they?

What Rashford is doing is bright for a player his age. But that is just that, his age. He is a young guy coming from the academy and was a bright spot in the club's most dismal period(49 goals) in attack. If he was a player in his mid to late 20s would he be praised in the same way?

 

[Scholsey2004]

Scholes only made his debut a couple of months before his 20th birthday and played 25 times that season and his appearances only increased in the seasons after that

Hmm, checked it and you're right. Presumably he dropped to midfield and I'm mixing him up with Nicky butt after that point.

 

[Scholsey2004]

I agree but isn't he a converted winger? If he was a geneuine ruthless finisher, why did he ever play on the wing? But then again so did C Ronaldo.
I still think its too early to judge his finishing. He has only scored 10 goals.


But I think he is very over rated. He loses the ball far too much and although his dribbling is good, its more down to speed and luck rather than actual ball control.

Wow, that's harsh. Gareth bale started as a full back, it's not really relevant to where he plays now. And regarding his dribbling, it's not luck if you consistently do something. I'd have said he's roughly as good as martial in that respect.

 

[Silverman]

What I don't get is the lack of hype about him in the media while he was with the reserves. I had heard about Pogba and Fosu-Mensah a good bit before they started to establish themselves but nothing about Rashford. This guy seems to be one of the best youngsters in Europe. Did people who watch the reserves know he was that good or has he just gotten a lot better all of a sudden?

 

[Mr. MUJAC]

What I don't get is the lack of hype about him in the media while he was with the reserves. I had heard about Pogba and Fosu-Mensah a good bit before they started to establish themselves but nothing about Rashford. This guy seems to be one of the best youngsters in Europe. Did people who watch the reserves know he was that good or has he just gotten a lot better all of a sudden?

He virtually skipped the Reserves so hardly played there at all. That's why...

 

[Silverman]

He virtually skipped the Reserves so hardly played there at all. That's why...

I meant the underage squads. If he was able to skip the reserve team then surely he must have been standing out for the underage teams.

 

[Jaybomb]

Welbeck was absolutely rubbish. Rashford is a big improvement on him.

 

[nick2004]

Federico Macheda has been released by Cardiff City. He is already 25.

What happened to him? Did he had an injury or something?

 

[shamans]

I swear, i never understood the hype around the lad. Everybody keep on saying he has bags of talent and that but i don't see what other people see.

this is the Rashford thread but watch some of his highlights. As an 18 year old he was pulling off stuff half of our squad probably still can't do.

 

[surf]

Welbeck was absolutely rubbish. Rashford is a big improvement on him.

No and yes. Didn't Ferguson promote Welbeck to train with the first team squad at 17?

 

[shamans]

Andy Ritchie was incredibly exciting in the late 1970's and many United fans still question why Dave Sexton bought Joe Jordan but especially when he sold him to buy Garry Birtles.

And of course Norman Whiteside was sensational.

However, Giggs was a different class and I've not seen anyone come close to his talent or impact since the late 1980's...

Nicky Butt was the exciting prospect from 1992 while all the others were late developers and surprised many with their eventual development.

Welbeck was class all through his youth development and streets ahead of Rashford at a younger age...Rashford has since translated that into a potentially brilliant first team player...Danny failed to do that for whatever reason.

Morrison was the standout since Giggs...but obviously his personal problems didn't allow him to show it at the top level and Pogba has gone on to do that.

Finally, although Januzaj made a big impact in his first senior season...he wasn't destroying defences in junior matches like some on here are suggesting...he was often in and out of games...very inconsistent.

What it goes to show is that it's really hard to predict what will happen and translating youth form and potential into senior football over a long period is tough.

Whiteside and Giggs the only real certs from my time watching youth football...

Seems like you've seen a lot of our youth players and I haven't so I'll take your word for it but almost everyone said Januzaj was owning defenders as a youngster. I'm just inclined to think they can't all be wrong. That and the fact he was doing so well in the senior team would suggest he really was doing something right.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

A weird one, but sort of reminds me a bit of Brazilian Ronaldo -- his ability to run at players combined with excellent timing with his runs into the box. If he adds goals from outside the box to his game, he could be the complete forward.

 

[Mr. MUJAC]

I meant the underage squads. If he was able to skip the reserve team then surely he must have been standing out for the underage teams.

Not really…injuries and loans gave him the platform which he took.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Rashford is being talked about now as though he should be an England and United starter.

How did it take about 4 injuries for him to get his shot last season? Credit to LvG for keeping him as a regular starter from then on though

 

[Mr. MUJAC]

Seems like you've seen a lot of our youth players and I haven't so I'll take your word for it but almost everyone said Januzaj was owning defenders as a youngster. I'm just inclined to think they can't all be wrong. That and the fact he was doing so well in the senior team would suggest he really was doing something right.

He was doing lot's of things right…but his application, discipline and consistency have always been an issue…his talent has never been in question.

Owning defenders? When he was on his game yes…other times he was non-existent.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

Welbeck was absolutely rubbish. Rashford is a big improvement on him.

He definitely wasn't rubbish, his link up play was excellent at times, and he had some really good games for us -- often against big sides (like Madrid).

 

[Dominos]

I agree but isn't he a converted winger? If he was a geneuine ruthless finisher, why did he ever play on the wing? But then again so did C Ronaldo.
I still think its too early to judge his finishing. He has only scored 10 goals.

But I think he is very over rated. He loses the ball far too much and although his dribbling is good, its more down to speed and luck rather than actual ball control.

If I can just ask, how disappointed are you that Mourinho is managing us and not Owen Coyle?

 

[Kostur]

If I can just ask, how disappointed are you that Mourinho is managing us and not Owen Coyle?

 

[rotherham_red]

Seems like you've seen a lot of our youth players and I haven't so I'll take your word for it but almost everyone said Januzaj was owning defenders as a youngster. I'm just inclined to think they can't all be wrong. That and the fact he was doing so well in the senior team would suggest he really was doing something right.

You do know who @Mr. MUJAC is, don't you? Google Tony Park, and you'll see why his word is often gospel on the youth at United...