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8/12 dribbles completed yesterday. Mental given how much of a borefest that game was and how well Nîmes parked their bus.
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Absolutely love watching him. I’m convinced he’ll be a star very soon.Tweet
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Genuinely hope we see a lot more of him in 2021 because he is by far the most exciting player to watch amongst all u21 in the world for me.
With the money pumped into the game and the hoops people will jump through for it, he may well beThe real talent is his ability to grow such an impressive beard at 17 !
The guy looks like he's in his late twenties.
I'm calling cap on this one.But his base talent is similar to that of Saka
I mean is he though?I'm calling cap on this one.
He's far more talented than Saka.
He absolutely is.I mean is he though?
This match was 1 week after Saka turned 18, which is a much higher level than a second division French side in fairness.He absolutely is.
Saka isn't two footed, doesn't have his dribbling and technical ability and wasn't scoring brace in professional football at 16/17.
To me Cherki is the most naturally talented since Neymar.
Yeah that’s the first thing that struck me. He’s done those loose back passes 4 or 5 times.Needs a lot more care with those longer passes back towards his own goal
Certainly doesn’t look it. His dribbling not as smooth, doesn’t have the extra burst of pace, quite amazing you draw these conclusions when he doesn’t look any more naturally talented than Foden Dembele or Sancho for me.He absolutely is.
Saka isn't two footed, doesn't have his dribbling and technical ability and wasn't scoring brace in professional football at 16/17.
To me Cherki is the most naturally talented since Neymar.
Cherki looked incredible at youth level. Players couldn’t get the ball off him. Obviously as you get into senior football the players are a lot faster and stronger. If you asked me who was the best between Saka and Cherki at youth level I’d have said Cherki by a country mile. Saka is the kind of player that makes optimal decisions a lot of the time. His game is more basic than Cherki’s but there are many other factors required to make it at senior level. If you had the youth version of Ben Arfa vs the youth version of Frank Lampard you’d pick Ben Arfa over Lampard in a heartbeat, for example.Certainly doesn’t look it. His dribbling not as smooth, doesn’t have the extra burst of pace, quite amazing you draw these conclusions when he doesn’t look any more naturally talented than Foden Dembele or Sancho for me.
And Saka is very two footed, you must have not watched him, he was also being one of Arsenals most productive players at 18, not much difference.
Cherki at Sakas current age will probably be betterCherki looked incredible at youth level. Players couldn’t get the ball off him. Obviously as you get into senior football the players are a lot faster and stronger. If you asked me who was the best between Saka and Cherki at youth level I’d have said Cherki by a country mile. Saka is the kind of player that makes optimal decisions a lot of the time. His game is more basic than Cherki’s but there are many other factors required to make it at senior level. If you had the youth version of Ben Arfa vs the youth version of Frank Lampard you’d pick Ben Arfa over Lampard in a heartbeat, for example.
It’s definitely possible that it’s probable.Cherki at Sakas current age will probably be better
Too much of a free spirit?Might be born in the wrong era.
Year upon year football tries to remove traditional playmakers. He might end up being one of the victims.Too much of a free spirit?
It’s the way the game has evolved. It’s more and more about tactical systems with players in tightly defined roles, roles that include physical and tactical diligence.Year upon year football tries to remove traditional playmakers. He might end up being one of the victims.
Cherki completes 7.2 dribbles per 90 minutes out of 9.4 attempted in Ligue 1 this season.Certainly doesn’t look it. His dribbling not as smooth, doesn’t have the extra burst of pace, quite amazing you draw these conclusions when he doesn’t look any more naturally talented than Foden Dembele or Sancho for me.
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That's the sort of nonsense that's being peddled about while the truth is what we're left with is a bunch of teams that look more and more clueless on week to week basis.It’s the way the game has evolved. It’s more and more about tactical systems with players in tightly defined roles, roles that include physical and tactical diligence.
I don't think he's a bigger talent than Dembele, Foden, or Sancho personally, because they were more impactful at the professional level when they started than what he's shown so far. Dembele at Rennes was way more productive, Sancho is one of the most productive players in all of Europe, and Foden has been held back but shown he's extremely talented and can produce when given the chance. I think Cherki's on that talent level or thereabouts, but talent means feck all and he's not producing like those guys so far at the same stage of their career (he may be a year younger, and that means something, but this is his first real season as part of the rotation and he's doing worse than all the names you're comparing him to when they started themselves). I don't think a year on he will be a drastically different player than what we're seeing now, and at that point he'd be in his second (and some change) season which would be an advantage when we compare him to those other players who put up better number as they learned the professional game on their first season. The age matters a bit, but nowhere near as much as actual experience.Cherki completes 7.2 dribbles per 90 minutes out of 9.4 attempted in Ligue 1 this season.
Saka is nowhere near his dribbling ability, absolutely nowhere. Adama Traore is the only player to regularly hit 7+ in the Prem, even Hazard was around 5-6 for most of his stay in England.
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You can go ask popular scouts on social media, they'll all tell you Cherki is a bigger talent than Dembele,Foden or Sancho, let alone Saka.
And none of these guys were even playing,scoring and assisting at 17, they all started out at 18.
They were all older than him when they started out. He is more precocious than any of them and has dominated youth categories in a way none of them ever has.I don't think he's a bigger talent than Dembele, Foden, or Sancho personally, because they were more impactful at the professional level when they started than what he's shown so far.
Dembele 1997, started out in 2015/16, at 18 year old.Dembele at Rennes was way more productive,
Sancho only started being productive in 2018/19, he's from 2000 generation, which once again would correspond to 2021/2022 for Cherki.Sancho is one of the most productive players in all of Europe,
Foden started out at 18.and Foden has been held back but shown he's extremely talented and can produce when given the chance.
But you're ignoring the fact that age is not as relevant as experience. Cherki is as experienced (actually more) now as Dembele was when he was producing for Rennes or Sancho for Dortmund. I concede age matters a bit, but nowhere near as much as experience (especially when we're only talking about one year difference). Dominating youth competitions means absolutely nothing, just ask Ravel Morrison. Benzema was probably the least talented of the generation of 87 in Nasri, Ben Arfa, and wound up undisputably the greater player out of them all. Talent is an overrated aspect of a player in deciding where they will be in world football.They were all older than him when they started out. He is more precocious than any of them and has dominated youth categories in a way none of them ever has.
Dembele 1997, started out in 2015/16, at 18 year old.
Which would correspond to 2021/22 for Cherki (2003).
Sancho only started being productive in 2018/19, he's from 2000 generation, which once again would correspond to 2021/2022 for Cherki.
Foden started out at 18.
And he plays in the club that produces the most chances per games over the past few years.
None of the players you've named were scoring and assisting at his age.
And talent isn't summed up by statistics, his technical level is superior to theirs and only Dembele is two-footed out of these three players.
I disagree here, experience matters less than age when you are still growing physically, just look at Gouiri who had even less experience than Cherki in professional football, he's got 15 goals 6 assists in all comps for his 1st pro season, if he was 17 he wouldn't be able to do that.But you're ignoring the fact that age is not as relevant as experience. Cherki is as experienced (actually more) now as Dembele was when he was producing for Rennes or Sancho for Dortmund. I concede age matters a bit, but nowhere near as much as experience. Dominating youth competitions means absolutely nothing, just ask Ravel Morrison. Benzema was probably the least talented of the generation of 87 in Nasri, Ben Arfa, and wound up undisputably the greater player out of them all. Talent is an overrated aspect of a player in deciding where they will be in world football.
Agreed about the Bundesliga, it always amuses me when people consider it a tougher league for offensive players than Ligue 1.I disagree here, experience matters less than age when you are still growing physically, just look at Gouiri who had even less experience than Cherki in professional football, he's got 15 goals 6 assists in all comps for his 1st pro season, if he was 17 he wouldn't be able to do that.
Mbappe at 17 vs Mbappe at 18 is another example.
Lyon also plays 1 game per week this season due to no Europe which leads to the same XI playing every game and Garcia is known for making very late subs and trying to clinge on to goal leads.
Also Bundesliga is very youth friendly both in playtime and goalscoring opportunity. Ton of space and high blocks
Good reply but I, surprised by these stats, his style of play and dribbling looks so rough even compared to the likes of Sancho and Foden let alone Neymar, even in that clip you posted there was a lot of ricochets, a lot of the ball bouncing up and down and onto the opponents leg then him still emerging with the ball.Cherki completes 7.2 dribbles per 90 minutes out of 9.4 attempted in Ligue 1 this season.
Saka is nowhere near his dribbling ability, absolutely nowhere. Adama Traore is the only player to regularly hit 7+ in the Prem, even Hazard was around 5-6 for most of his stay in England.
Example : 15 minutes cameo vs NantesSaka ain't doing any of this against pros.Tweet
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You can go ask popular scouts on social media, they'll all tell you Cherki is a bigger talent than Dembele,Foden or Sancho, let alone Saka.
And none of these guys were even playing,scoring and assisting at 17, they all started out at 18.
Things I see in that video, beyond some very impressive dribbling ability.Cherki completes 7.2 dribbles per 90 minutes out of 9.4 attempted in Ligue 1 this season.
Saka is nowhere near his dribbling ability, absolutely nowhere. Adama Traore is the only player to regularly hit 7+ in the Prem, even Hazard was around 5-6 for most of his stay in England.
Example : 15 minutes cameo vs NantesSaka ain't doing any of this against pros.Tweet
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You can go ask popular scouts on social media, they'll all tell you Cherki is a bigger talent than Dembele,Foden or Sancho, let alone Saka.
And none of these guys were even playing,scoring and assisting at 17, they all started out at 18.