1.You completely disregarded his point that Werner himself made the decision to join Leipzig.
Further you dont have to just look at Werner you can pick many others players like Mane (Salzburg) or Keita, Sabitzer, Upamecano, Kimmich, Haarland. They give the players the right envioroment if they think there is potential.
Why would I need to talk about this? At no point in time did I argue that players are forced to join these plastic clubs. Obviously you could argue that money (wages) is a big factor there, too, but I never said that players aren't allowed to develop there, so what's your point? In my first post I just found the notion kind of ridiculous that Werner was developed at RB when he had nearly a hundred Bundesliga games for Stuttgart before he made the move. If we apply this criteria, Kimmich seems to be a Bayern product, because he only had 53 games at RB, but ~150 for Bayern (he's also a Stuttgart product like Werner btw). It's also weird to claim this as a positive for RB because there have always been real clubs that were/are great at developing talent and have been successful like Bremen, Gladbach, Dortmund, Stuttgart or Schalke (if you don't want to talk about smaller teams that have done this for decades). True, some of them fecked up at some point and suffer the consequences and that is the way it is supposed to be. Others like Dortmund and Gladbach do very well. It's a myth that players can only develop at such a construct, even if it might be somewhat easier for young coaches and players as there is less pressure because there are no fans and thus far less media attention.
It's the same story with the myth that Hoffenheim have a great academy. Obviously they put a lot of money into training facilities and coaches, but they also simply bought youth players from all the southwestern clubs with obscene kind of money for players that age and their parents.
I also find it kind of funny that you put players from both RBL and RBS into your list to make it longer. I mean, they are completely different "clubs", right? [/sarcasm]
2. The clubs you named are good run clubs but not on the same level like Leipzig. Leipzig must be doing something right and it is not only money.
What you're arguing is basically that they know how to use their money and I never claimed otherwise. I just claimed that it's unfair towards real clubs that have to earn their money and suffer if something goes wrong. If someone doesn't work out at RB, RB doesn't have to give a feck about the millions they lose. The notion that they are in the first Bundesliga because they kind of earned it is ridiculous. Just take a look at the transfer records of the second Bundesliga and imagine they wages they have to offer to get these players. In addition to that RBL can also get the best RBS players for next to nothing (doesn't matter anyway because it's the same company). Of course, I wouldn't expect a Chelsea fan to understand this.
3. Idk you just sound bitter. Take a step back and look where it all at Salzburg. Many people in Austria reacted the same way saying like, they are cheaters, no soul just a company etc. and at the beginning it was kinda true till Düdelingen happened a small team beating them in the qualifiers which was emberrassing. So they changed the whole concept and made further improvments in scouting infrastucture and not relying on proved names or throwing money at things.
Nowadays most people in Austria agree that without RB their farmer league would be even worse and it incentivised Rapid Wien, Austria Wien, Sturm Graz and so on to improve their infrastructure as well and to not stagnate.
Well, the team I support didn't have any negative consequences due to RB so far and I doubt that they ever will, so I'm not bitter, just very worried that we're going the same route as your league has gone. Unfortunately we're on our way to follow the footsteps of American leagues and the EPL (show elements, higher ticket prices etc) anyway and only fan protests have prevented it going on further or at least slowed down this transformation for now. I'm afraid proper club officials also want this transformation, too, because that way they can earn more money and stay competetive in Europe, but they also can't alienate the fans completely because they still have some power at a lot of clubs. At plastic clubs not so much.
Furthermore I simply don't enjoy watching plastic clubs at all. It was bad enough, when VW started to really back Wolfsburg, so that they could punch above their weight, but at least they had really earned their place in the Bundesliga before, but with Hoffenheim and RB you have two more soulless opponents in the league now. You can see at City that even if you bring in worldclass talent, nobody really cares about them, even if they are really successful.
I won't argue with you about Austria, because I wouldn't dare to assume what Austrian football fans think about RB in general at this point. The few I know still hate it with a passion but it probably depends on who you ask. Has Austrian football really gotten better btw? It's still pretty shit and looks like a shit version of the French league to be honest.